[#48779] Ruby jobs — Phlip <phlip_cpp@...>

Rubies:

31 messages 2002/09/01

[#48886] cgi redirect — Tom Robinson <tom@...>

in perl, this is easy:

15 messages 2002/09/03

[#48917] New list: ruby-modules - for module developers... — Sean Chittenden <sean@...>

Howdy folks. I've put together a new list for ruby developers at

18 messages 2002/09/03

[#48978] option remember

Hi,

16 messages 2002/09/04

[#49042] Options for optimizing a large Ruby system — sera@... (Francis Hwang)

Hi everybody:

16 messages 2002/09/04

[#49107] RE: suggestions to the Ruby community — "Berger, Daniel" <djberge@...>

I've been following the documentation discussion with some interest. Some

35 messages 2002/09/05
[#49136] RE: suggestions to the Ruby community — " JamesBritt" <james@...> 2002/09/05

[#49294] OS-independent build of ruby — "reckless" <reckless2k@...>

Hi,

42 messages 2002/09/06
[#49318] Re: OS-independent build of ruby — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson) 2002/09/06

In article <alali7$cth$01$1@news.t-online.com>,

[#49450] JRuby (was Re: OS-independent build of ruby) — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/09/08

JRuby exists ...

[#49297] Larry Wall's comments on Ruby — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

http://interviews.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/09/06/1343222&mode=thread&tid=145

29 messages 2002/09/06

[#49301] Re: Larry Wall's comments on Ruby — Andrew Hunt <andy@...>

61 messages 2002/09/06
[#49372] Re: Larry Wall's comments on Ruby — Reimer Behrends <behrends@...> 2002/09/07

Patrick May (patrick-may@monmouth.com) wrote:

[#49446] Re: Larry Wall's comments on Ruby — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/09/08

On Sat, 7 Sep 2002 14:21:22 +0900, Reimer Behrends wrote:

[#49333] Re: Larry Wall's comments on Ruby — Andrew Hunt <andy@...>

>yeah and as I said, depending on your background , Ruby is just as full

20 messages 2002/09/06

[#49627] Re: Larry Wall's comments on Ruby — "Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk" <qrczak@...>

Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:26:37 +0900, Wirianto Djunaidi <ryo_saeba_009@yahoo.com> pisze:

83 messages 2002/09/09
[#49658] Re: Larry Wall's comments on Ruby — "Christoph" <chr_news@...> 2002/09/10

"Yukihiro Matsumoto" wrote

[#49707] Re: Larry Wall's comments on Ruby — David.Stagner@...

I think Gavin is right... we don't "add" strings, we concatenate them.

16 messages 2002/09/10

[#49766] RubyInline 1.0.4 Released! (fwd) — Pat Eyler <pate@...>

Woohoo! another cool new toy to play with!

34 messages 2002/09/10
[#49965] Re: Windows XP : RubyInline 1.0.4 Released! (fwd) — "Park Heesob" <phasis@...> 2002/09/12

Hi,

[#49787] call for commentary: review of Ruby for a magazine (long, sorry!) — Rick Wayne <fewayne@...>

hello again folks,

30 messages 2002/09/10

[#49849] private variables — ts <decoux@...>

81 messages 2002/09/11
[#50348] Re: private variables — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/09/16

Well, will these localized/private variables make it into the next Ruby

[#49988] not grasping the method overloading/multi-dispatch thing — dblack@...

Hello --

58 messages 2002/09/12
[#49990] Re: not grasping the method overloading/multi-dispatch thing — Friedrich Dominicus <frido@...> 2002/09/12

dblack@candle.superlink.net writes:

[#49992] Re: not grasping the method overloading/multi-dispatch thing — dblack@... 2002/09/12

Hi --

[#50040] Re: not grasping the method overloading/multi-dispatch thing — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson) 2002/09/12

In article <3D80AD8D.27388.FBF0F18@localhost>,

[#50027] interesting Perl Journal move — Pat Eyler <pate@...>

The Perl Journal is being reborn yet again. This time, it will be an

21 messages 2002/09/12
[#50041] Re: interesting Perl Journal move — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2002/09/12

On Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 01:44:18AM +0900, Pat Eyler wrote:

[#50172] DbTalk 0.7 — Dalibor Sramek <dali@...>

I would like to announce a new release of my Ruby project DbTalk.

17 messages 2002/09/13

[#50224] MVC and OO Design? — jcb@... (MetalOne)

The Model View Controller Architecture has always had me a bit

18 messages 2002/09/14

[#50298] camelCaseTo_ruby_case.rb ?? — Thomas Sdergaard <tsondergaard@...>

Hi,

21 messages 2002/09/15
[#50304] Re: camelCaseTo_ruby_case.rb ?? — dblack@... 2002/09/16

Hello --

[#50312] Re: camelCaseTo_ruby_case.rb ?? — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2002/09/16

[#50369] Why are parser tools rarely used in ruby? — "MikkelFJ" <mikkelfj-anti-spam@...>

Why is it that all the ruby source I find in the Ruby (windows) distribution

25 messages 2002/09/16

[#50374] Dependency "trees" - suggestions? — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...>

I'm struggling with building dependency "trees" for rpkg. What

15 messages 2002/09/16

[#50403] comments and continuing strings on the next line — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...>

I have a tendency to write:

14 messages 2002/09/16

[#50466] Qt vs. FOX vs. ? (was Help on installing ruby-qt on windowsXP) — "Volkmann, Mark" <Mark.Volkmann@...>

> -----Original Message-----

16 messages 2002/09/17

[#50525] Matz, if you're reading, please scan this email — ser@... (Sean Russell)

I've found a problem with the Ruby interpreter, wherein the

23 messages 2002/09/18
[#51226] Re: Matz, if you're reading, please scan this email — Sean Chittenden <sean@...> 2002/09/24

> I've found a problem with the Ruby interpreter, wherein the

[#51281] Re: Matz, if you're reading, please scan this email — ts <decoux@...> 2002/09/25

>>>>> "S" == Sean Chittenden <sean@chittenden.org> writes:

[#51454] Re: Matz, if you're reading, please scan this email — Sean Chittenden <sean@...> 2002/09/26

> S> In the unit tests for libxml, I think I've pushed things to SEGV land

[#51592] Re: Matz, if you're reading, please scan this email — ts <decoux@...> 2002/09/27

>>>>> "S" == Sean Chittenden <sean@chittenden.org> writes:

[#51742] Re: Matz, if you're reading, please scan this email — Sean Chittenden <sean@...> 2002/09/28

> >>>>> "S" == Sean Chittenden <sean@chittenden.org> writes:

[#51748] Re: Matz, if you're reading, please scan this email — ts <decoux@...> 2002/09/28

>>>>> "S" == Sean Chittenden <sean@chittenden.org> writes:

[#51796] ruby bug in tight loops? (was: Re: Matz, if you're reading, please scan this email) — Sean Chittenden <sean@...> 2002/09/28

> S> :-/ You could be right, but, the IO context is created when reading

[#51825] Re: ruby bug in tight loops? (was: Re: Matz, if you're reading, please scan this email) — ts <decoux@...> 2002/09/29

>>>>> "S" == Sean Chittenden <sean@chittenden.org> writes:

[#51826] Re: ruby bug in tight loops? (was: Re: Matz, if you're reading, please scan this email) — Sean Chittenden <sean@...> 2002/09/29

> S> Good catch, I fixed this in the CVS version, however this is a

[#51831] Re: ruby bug in tight loops? (was: Re: Matz, if you're reading, please scan this email) — ts <decoux@...> 2002/09/29

>>>>> "S" == Sean Chittenden <sean@chittenden.org> writes:

[#50579] How to Efficiently Calculate the Pattern of Zeros and Ones? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

11 messages 2002/09/18

[#50606] Python the new Lisp, what about Ruby then? — web2ed@... (Edward Wilson)

I've been reading that Python is the new lisp.

19 messages 2002/09/18
[#50614] Re: Python the new Lisp, what about Ruby then? — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/09/19

come on! python the new lisp? what's that suppose to mean? nothing

[#50629] RE: Python the new Lisp, what about Ruby then? — "Mike Campbell" <michael_s_campbell@...> 2002/09/19

> ruby though just may gain as great a heritage as lisp due to its highly

[#50652] Is better to subclass or to add methods to an existing class? — Vincent Foley <vinfoley@...>

I was discussing with a (Python) friend last night. I told him that one

31 messages 2002/09/19

[#50667] select and select — dblack@...

Hello --

99 messages 2002/09/19
[#50906] class documentation — "Mark Volkmann" <volkmann2@...> 2002/09/21

Is there a general concensus as to the best tool/format for documenting Ruby

[#50787] Re: select and select — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2002/09/20

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#50911] Re: select and select — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/09/21

Hi,

[#50912] Re: select and select — dblack@... 2002/09/21

Hi --

[#51168] Re: select and select — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2002/09/24

[#51184] Re: select and select — dblack@... 2002/09/24

Hi --

[#51196] Re: select and select — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2002/09/24

[#51199] Re: select and select — dblack@... 2002/09/24

Hi --

[#50732] don't understand cause of `sysread': Bad file descriptor (Errno::EBADF) — Robert McGovern <tarasis@...>

Was writting a script to poll an audiotron (www.audiotron.net) and

13 messages 2002/09/19

[#50762] Thoughts on improving usage of Regexp#match — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

Please feel free to point out obvious things

15 messages 2002/09/20

[#50850] Checking hash key's and values, with case insensitivity — khabibiuf@... (Khurram)

Hey all,

26 messages 2002/09/20

[#50867] Speed up suggestions — Tomas Brixi <tomas_brixi@...>

Hello,

18 messages 2002/09/20

[#50878] String interpolation at will? — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

Maybe I'm overlooking something obvious,

14 messages 2002/09/20
[#50880] RE: String interpolation at will? — Steve Tuckner <STUCKNER@...> 2002/09/20

Maybe this is too dangerous but

[#50958] are functions/methods "first class objects"? — David Garamond <davegaramond@...>

sorry this is a bit philosophical, but i just wonder whether ruby can be

17 messages 2002/09/22

[#50972] Re: Speed up suggestions — Tomas Brixi <tomas_brixi@...>

Thanks all for speedup tips.

22 messages 2002/09/23
[#50975] Re: Speed up suggestions — Ryan Davis <ryand@...> 2002/09/23

[#50983] Re: Speed up suggestions — Tomas Brixi <tomas_brixi@...> 2002/09/23

[#51156] adding overload to ruby — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...>

Hello all and especially Matz,

285 messages 2002/09/24
[#51371] Re: adding overload to ruby — "Justin Johnson" <justinj@...> 2002/09/26

[#51372] Re: adding overload to ruby — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...> 2002/09/26

Hello Justin,

[#51375] Re: adding overload to ruby — ts <decoux@...> 2002/09/26

>>>>> "B" == Bulat Ziganshin <bulatz@integ.ru> writes:

[#51376] Re: adding overload to ruby — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...> 2002/09/26

Hello ts,

[#51378] Re: adding overload to ruby — ts <decoux@...> 2002/09/26

>>>>> "B" == Bulat Ziganshin <bulatz@integ.ru> writes:

[#51382] Re: adding overload to ruby — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...> 2002/09/26

Hello ts,

[#51384] Re: adding overload to ruby — dblack@... 2002/09/26

Hi --

[#51388] Re: adding overload to ruby — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...> 2002/09/26

Hello dblack,

[#51391] Re: adding overload to ruby — dblack@... 2002/09/26

Hi --

[#51413] Re: adding overload to ruby — "Justin Johnson" <justinj@...> 2002/09/26

[#51542] Re: adding overload to ruby — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...> 2002/09/27

Hello Justin,

[#51574] R (was: adding overload to ruby) — Nikodemus Siivola <tsiivola@...> 2002/09/27

[#51576] Re: R (was: adding overload to ruby) — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...> 2002/09/27

Hello Nikodemus,

[#51591] Re: R (was: adding overload to ruby) — Nikodemus Siivola <tsiivola@...> 2002/09/27

[#51621] Re: R — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/09/27

Hi,

[#51741] Re: R — Nikodemus Siivola <tsiivola@...> 2002/09/28

[#51747] Re: R — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/09/28

Hi,

[#51752] Re: R — dblack@... 2002/09/28

Hi --

[#51755] Re: R — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/09/28

Oh yes, in fact, this is one of our selling points, right? We show the

[#51918] Re: R — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...> 2002/09/30

Hello William,

[#51923] Re: R — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/09/30

Hi,

[#51938] Re: R — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...> 2002/09/30

Hello Yukihiro,

[#51949] Re: R — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/09/30

Hi,

[#51953] Re: R — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...> 2002/09/30

Hello Yukihiro,

[#51593] RE: R (was: adding overload to ruby) — "Christian Boos" <cboos@...> 2002/09/27

Did you have a look at http://merd.net :

[#51462] Re: adding overload to ruby — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/09/26

Why not designing a new language with a mix of typed variable and untyped

[#51467] Re: adding overload to ruby — <bbense+comp.lang.ruby.Sep.26.02@...> 2002/09/26

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[#51185] Object-Oriented struct Model in C — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

20 messages 2002/09/24

[#51389] Is Ruby's grammar LL(k)? — Mauricio =?unknown-8bit?Q?Fern=E1ndez?= <batsman.geo@...>

16 messages 2002/09/26

[#51444] Ruby/Tk or mod_ruby or what ?? — GBanschbach@...

Dear All,

16 messages 2002/09/26

[#51486] Ruby - common pitfalls? — Rudolf Polzer <AntiATField_adsgohere@...>

Is there a list of common pitfalls beginners in this language should

32 messages 2002/09/26

[#51530] Where Is Method Call Precedence? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

40 messages 2002/09/27

[#51639] RE: REXML namespace support — "Volkmann, Mark" <Mark.Volkmann@...>

In my case I'm given a string which is a namespace prefix and I want to

14 messages 2002/09/27

[#51809] thoughts on typelessness — dblack@...

Hi --

136 messages 2002/09/29
[#51810] Re: thoughts on typelessness — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/09/29

Hi David,

[#51877] Re: thoughts on typelessness — Chris Gehlker <canyonrat@...> 2002/09/29

[#52055] Re: thoughts on typelessness — Bryan Murphy <bryan@...> 2002/10/01

Gavin Sinclair wrote:

[#52059] Re: thoughts on typelessness — Chris Gehlker <canyonrat@...> 2002/10/01

[#52062] Re: thoughts on typelessness — Bryan Murphy <bryan@...> 2002/10/01

Chris Gehlker wrote:

[#52081] Re: thoughts on typelessness — Chris Gehlker <canyonrat@...> 2002/10/01

[#52147] Re: thoughts on typelessness — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/10/01

Hi Dave,

[#52150] Re: thoughts on typelessness — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2002/10/01

William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@y.glue.umd.edu> writes:

[#52151] Re: thoughts on typelessness — GOTO Kentaro <gotoken@...> 2002/10/01

At Wed, 2 Oct 2002 01:37:46 +0900,

[#52154] Re: thoughts on typelessness — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2002/10/01

On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 02:11:24AM +0900, GOTO Kentaro wrote:

[#51818] announce@ == less email (FAQ item?) — Ryan Davis <ryand-ruby@...>

ZenTest and ZenWeb were just released. I announced these to several

40 messages 2002/09/29

[#51974] Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know

37 messages 2002/09/30
[#52128] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/10/01

Thanks, Gabriele. I will try to incorporate your input. The "0 is

[#52965] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know — "Kontra, Gergely" <kgergely@...> 2002/10/11

>> - the ||= operator exists :-)

[#52970] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/10/11

Hi,

[#52971] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know — dblack@... 2002/10/11

Hi --

Re: ruby bug in tight loops? (was: Re: Matz, if you're reading, please scan this email)

From: Sean Chittenden <sean@...>
Date: 2002-09-30 22:08:40 UTC
List: ruby-talk #52024
[ I've had this email open for two day strait now, I should probably
  fire something off though, sorry for this being long, I tried to
  make this as detailed as possible. ]

> S> Yup, that's right.  Now add -i 0 to the argument list and watch it
> S> core after a few min.  This is a bug that comes out when you stress
> S> test a module.  -sc
>=20
>  I can't reproduce, sorry
>=20
> pigeon% time tests.rb -i 0 -n xml_parser4 >& /dev/null
>=20
> real    40m55.139s
> user    40m46.740s
> sys     0m10.530s
> pigeon%=20

Interesting.  When I first woke up this morning (day you sent this)
and read your email, I couldn't reproduce it either.  Since then, I've
significantly improved rubytest and have increased rubytest's memory
footprint and can now get it to crash with xml_parser4.  I think the
reason that xml_parser4 wasn't crashing was because it was under some
memory threshold (sound plausible?  I have some evidence to back this
up below).  I just re-ran the tests with an updated version of
rubytest and am getting the following now:

$ time rubytest -F -i 0 -n xml_parser4
=2E/tests/tc_xml_parser4.rb:12: [BUG] Segmentation fault
ruby 1.7.3 (2002-09-27) [i386-freebsd5]
Abort (core dumped)
68.013u 0.509s 1:23.42 82.1%    5+3350k 0+51io 0pf+0w

What's really strange is that if I let this send data to stdout, I
don't have any problems.

$ time rubytest -i 0 -n xml_parser4
[runs forever]

All -F does is sidestep using IO::Tee and opens /dev/null to use as
the IO handle for the unit tests.  As an interesting test, I used -F
with a delay of 0.1 sec and noticed it still crashing.  I'm not sure
why using IO::Tee would prevent xml_parser4 from crashing while
working around it and using only a single file handle would cause this
to crash.  My best guess would be that the memory section that gets
stomped on with -F has been replaced by some fluff from IO::Tee and I'm
just getting lucky and not reading from the corrupted address
space(s).

I ran this through valgrind and came up with an updated report for
just xml_parser4.

http://www.rubynet.org/bugs/valgrind-libxml.txt
http://www.rubynet.org/bugs/valgrind-libxml.txt.bz2

I don't know enough of gc.c's workings to speculate, but it seems to
think there are problems on quite a few lines in gc.c.  I don't know
if that's because it couldn't follow Ruby's execution path or if it's
because there are legitimate bugs that it's picked up.  Valgrind's
good enough to run against mozilla and KDE so I'd think it's pretty
decent at picking up errors and avoiding the traps, but I'm not an
aficionado of the tool so I don't know its shortcomings.

Sorry to make this difficult, I'm really trying not to be.  :) Here,
let me make things easier, the following tarball should have
everything needed to reproduce this for both libxml and Net::GeoIP,
though I think running any reasonably large .so would trigger this
under rubytest -i0.

http://www.rubynet.org/bugs/ruby-bug.tar.gz

Installation:

*) Download and untar ruby-bug.tar.gz
*) cd bug && setenv BUGDIR $PWD
*) setenv RUBYLIB $BUGDIR
*) setenv LD_LIBRARY_PATH $BUGDIR/lib
*) set path =3D ($BUGDIR/rubytest $path)

For Net::GeoIP:
*) Install libGeoIP:
   *) cd $BUGDIR/GeoIP-1.0.5
   *) ./configure --prefix=3D$BUGDIR
   *) make && make install
*) build Net::GeoIP
   *) cd $BUGDIR/net/geoip
   *) ruby extconf.rb --with-geoip-dir=3D$BUGDIR
   *) make
   *) time rubytest -i 0 -F

For XML:
*) Install libxml2 2.2.4
*) cd $BUGDIR/xml/libxml
*) ruby extconf.rb
*) make
*) time rubytest -i 0 -F -n xml_parser4

I've been running the above test under valgrind for over 70min now and
haven't gotten it to crash.  If I run it from the CLI, I can get it to
core in about 5min.  For what it's worth, here are two runs of
xml_parser4 under different testing circumstances (changed flags to
rubytest):

http://www.rubynet.org/bugs/libxml-out1.txt
http://www.rubynet.org/bugs/libxml-out2.txt

Grr...  same code, no updates, and I can't get it to crash under
valgrind.  I can always get it to crash when it's not under valgrind
though.  :-/ Maybe valgrind just slows it down that much, but it only
takes 2min of operation on the CLI before it cores, I'd think that
it'd core in under 70min under valgrind.  :) Just for curiosities sake,
I ran the CLI test several times in a row and it seems to be
intermittent even between runs of rubytest.  I ctrl+c'ed the 1st run,
and the 2nd and 3rd run dumped almost instantaneously.

$ time rubytest -i 0 -F -n xml_parser4
/usr/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.7/test/unit/ui/util/observable.rb:93:in `channels=
': Interrupt
        from /usr/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.7/test/unit/ui/util/observable.rb:77=
:in `notify_listeners'
[snip stack trace: have yet to install a signal handler]
        from /home/sean/bin/rubytest:404
506.432u 9.254s 8:49.59 97.3%   0+0k 0+0io 469pf+0w
$ time rubytest -i 0 -F -n xml_parser4
=2E/tests/tc_xml_parser4.rb:7: [BUG] Segmentation fault
ruby 1.7.3 (2002-09-13) [i686-linux]
Abort
3.027u 0.031s 0:03.12 97.7%     0+0k 0+0io 467pf+0w
$ time rubytest -i 0 -F -n xml_parser4
/usr/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.7/test/unit/assertions.rb:93: [BUG] Segmentation =
fault
ruby 1.7.3 (2002-09-13) [i686-linux]
Abort (core dumped)
11.556u 0.100s 0:11.96 97.4%    0+0k 0+0io 467pf+0w

I'll see if I can't get valgrind to run overnight and produce a crash,
but hopefully I'll let it run overnight tonight though and see if I
can't get it to crash under valgrind.  Odd, huh?  Some thing's obscure
someplace and I'm not sure where to poke next.  I was talking to JD
last night and he said he was able to core a real nasty DB test
script... it's backtraces look almost identical and can be found here:

http://www.rubynet.org/bugs/postgresql-dump_jd.txt

It looks like it's all incarnations of the same beast and it only
comes out to play when you really push Ruby in tight loops.  It's hard
to for me to imagine that all three pieces of software are buggy or
that every box I'm testing on has a RAM issue that's coming up because
of these tests _and_ is dumping in similar areas... stranger things
have happened though.  -sc

--=20
Sean Chittenden

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