[#48779] Ruby jobs — Phlip <phlip_cpp@...>

Rubies:

31 messages 2002/09/01

[#48886] cgi redirect — Tom Robinson <tom@...>

in perl, this is easy:

15 messages 2002/09/03

[#48917] New list: ruby-modules - for module developers... — Sean Chittenden <sean@...>

Howdy folks. I've put together a new list for ruby developers at

18 messages 2002/09/03

[#48978] option remember

Hi,

16 messages 2002/09/04

[#49042] Options for optimizing a large Ruby system — sera@... (Francis Hwang)

Hi everybody:

16 messages 2002/09/04

[#49107] RE: suggestions to the Ruby community — "Berger, Daniel" <djberge@...>

I've been following the documentation discussion with some interest. Some

35 messages 2002/09/05
[#49136] RE: suggestions to the Ruby community — " JamesBritt" <james@...> 2002/09/05

[#49294] OS-independent build of ruby — "reckless" <reckless2k@...>

Hi,

42 messages 2002/09/06
[#49318] Re: OS-independent build of ruby — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson) 2002/09/06

In article <alali7$cth$01$1@news.t-online.com>,

[#49450] JRuby (was Re: OS-independent build of ruby) — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/09/08

JRuby exists ...

[#49297] Larry Wall's comments on Ruby — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

http://interviews.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/09/06/1343222&mode=thread&tid=145

29 messages 2002/09/06

[#49301] Re: Larry Wall's comments on Ruby — Andrew Hunt <andy@...>

61 messages 2002/09/06
[#49372] Re: Larry Wall's comments on Ruby — Reimer Behrends <behrends@...> 2002/09/07

Patrick May (patrick-may@monmouth.com) wrote:

[#49446] Re: Larry Wall's comments on Ruby — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/09/08

On Sat, 7 Sep 2002 14:21:22 +0900, Reimer Behrends wrote:

[#49333] Re: Larry Wall's comments on Ruby — Andrew Hunt <andy@...>

>yeah and as I said, depending on your background , Ruby is just as full

20 messages 2002/09/06

[#49627] Re: Larry Wall's comments on Ruby — "Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk" <qrczak@...>

Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:26:37 +0900, Wirianto Djunaidi <ryo_saeba_009@yahoo.com> pisze:

83 messages 2002/09/09
[#49658] Re: Larry Wall's comments on Ruby — "Christoph" <chr_news@...> 2002/09/10

"Yukihiro Matsumoto" wrote

[#49707] Re: Larry Wall's comments on Ruby — David.Stagner@...

I think Gavin is right... we don't "add" strings, we concatenate them.

16 messages 2002/09/10

[#49766] RubyInline 1.0.4 Released! (fwd) — Pat Eyler <pate@...>

Woohoo! another cool new toy to play with!

34 messages 2002/09/10
[#49965] Re: Windows XP : RubyInline 1.0.4 Released! (fwd) — "Park Heesob" <phasis@...> 2002/09/12

Hi,

[#49787] call for commentary: review of Ruby for a magazine (long, sorry!) — Rick Wayne <fewayne@...>

hello again folks,

30 messages 2002/09/10

[#49849] private variables — ts <decoux@...>

81 messages 2002/09/11
[#50348] Re: private variables — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/09/16

Well, will these localized/private variables make it into the next Ruby

[#49988] not grasping the method overloading/multi-dispatch thing — dblack@...

Hello --

58 messages 2002/09/12
[#49990] Re: not grasping the method overloading/multi-dispatch thing — Friedrich Dominicus <frido@...> 2002/09/12

dblack@candle.superlink.net writes:

[#49992] Re: not grasping the method overloading/multi-dispatch thing — dblack@... 2002/09/12

Hi --

[#50040] Re: not grasping the method overloading/multi-dispatch thing — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson) 2002/09/12

In article <3D80AD8D.27388.FBF0F18@localhost>,

[#50027] interesting Perl Journal move — Pat Eyler <pate@...>

The Perl Journal is being reborn yet again. This time, it will be an

21 messages 2002/09/12
[#50041] Re: interesting Perl Journal move — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2002/09/12

On Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 01:44:18AM +0900, Pat Eyler wrote:

[#50172] DbTalk 0.7 — Dalibor Sramek <dali@...>

I would like to announce a new release of my Ruby project DbTalk.

17 messages 2002/09/13

[#50224] MVC and OO Design? — jcb@... (MetalOne)

The Model View Controller Architecture has always had me a bit

18 messages 2002/09/14

[#50298] camelCaseTo_ruby_case.rb ?? — Thomas Sdergaard <tsondergaard@...>

Hi,

21 messages 2002/09/15
[#50304] Re: camelCaseTo_ruby_case.rb ?? — dblack@... 2002/09/16

Hello --

[#50312] Re: camelCaseTo_ruby_case.rb ?? — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2002/09/16

[#50369] Why are parser tools rarely used in ruby? — "MikkelFJ" <mikkelfj-anti-spam@...>

Why is it that all the ruby source I find in the Ruby (windows) distribution

25 messages 2002/09/16

[#50374] Dependency "trees" - suggestions? — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...>

I'm struggling with building dependency "trees" for rpkg. What

15 messages 2002/09/16

[#50403] comments and continuing strings on the next line — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...>

I have a tendency to write:

14 messages 2002/09/16

[#50466] Qt vs. FOX vs. ? (was Help on installing ruby-qt on windowsXP) — "Volkmann, Mark" <Mark.Volkmann@...>

> -----Original Message-----

16 messages 2002/09/17

[#50525] Matz, if you're reading, please scan this email — ser@... (Sean Russell)

I've found a problem with the Ruby interpreter, wherein the

23 messages 2002/09/18
[#51226] Re: Matz, if you're reading, please scan this email — Sean Chittenden <sean@...> 2002/09/24

> I've found a problem with the Ruby interpreter, wherein the

[#51281] Re: Matz, if you're reading, please scan this email — ts <decoux@...> 2002/09/25

>>>>> "S" == Sean Chittenden <sean@chittenden.org> writes:

[#51454] Re: Matz, if you're reading, please scan this email — Sean Chittenden <sean@...> 2002/09/26

> S> In the unit tests for libxml, I think I've pushed things to SEGV land

[#51592] Re: Matz, if you're reading, please scan this email — ts <decoux@...> 2002/09/27

>>>>> "S" == Sean Chittenden <sean@chittenden.org> writes:

[#51742] Re: Matz, if you're reading, please scan this email — Sean Chittenden <sean@...> 2002/09/28

> >>>>> "S" == Sean Chittenden <sean@chittenden.org> writes:

[#51748] Re: Matz, if you're reading, please scan this email — ts <decoux@...> 2002/09/28

>>>>> "S" == Sean Chittenden <sean@chittenden.org> writes:

[#51796] ruby bug in tight loops? (was: Re: Matz, if you're reading, please scan this email) — Sean Chittenden <sean@...> 2002/09/28

> S> :-/ You could be right, but, the IO context is created when reading

[#51825] Re: ruby bug in tight loops? (was: Re: Matz, if you're reading, please scan this email) — ts <decoux@...> 2002/09/29

>>>>> "S" == Sean Chittenden <sean@chittenden.org> writes:

[#51826] Re: ruby bug in tight loops? (was: Re: Matz, if you're reading, please scan this email) — Sean Chittenden <sean@...> 2002/09/29

> S> Good catch, I fixed this in the CVS version, however this is a

[#51831] Re: ruby bug in tight loops? (was: Re: Matz, if you're reading, please scan this email) — ts <decoux@...> 2002/09/29

>>>>> "S" == Sean Chittenden <sean@chittenden.org> writes:

[#50579] How to Efficiently Calculate the Pattern of Zeros and Ones? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

11 messages 2002/09/18

[#50606] Python the new Lisp, what about Ruby then? — web2ed@... (Edward Wilson)

I've been reading that Python is the new lisp.

19 messages 2002/09/18
[#50614] Re: Python the new Lisp, what about Ruby then? — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/09/19

come on! python the new lisp? what's that suppose to mean? nothing

[#50629] RE: Python the new Lisp, what about Ruby then? — "Mike Campbell" <michael_s_campbell@...> 2002/09/19

> ruby though just may gain as great a heritage as lisp due to its highly

[#50652] Is better to subclass or to add methods to an existing class? — Vincent Foley <vinfoley@...>

I was discussing with a (Python) friend last night. I told him that one

31 messages 2002/09/19

[#50667] select and select — dblack@...

Hello --

99 messages 2002/09/19
[#50906] class documentation — "Mark Volkmann" <volkmann2@...> 2002/09/21

Is there a general concensus as to the best tool/format for documenting Ruby

[#50787] Re: select and select — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2002/09/20

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#50911] Re: select and select — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/09/21

Hi,

[#50912] Re: select and select — dblack@... 2002/09/21

Hi --

[#51168] Re: select and select — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2002/09/24

[#51184] Re: select and select — dblack@... 2002/09/24

Hi --

[#51196] Re: select and select — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2002/09/24

[#51199] Re: select and select — dblack@... 2002/09/24

Hi --

[#50732] don't understand cause of `sysread': Bad file descriptor (Errno::EBADF) — Robert McGovern <tarasis@...>

Was writting a script to poll an audiotron (www.audiotron.net) and

13 messages 2002/09/19

[#50762] Thoughts on improving usage of Regexp#match — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

Please feel free to point out obvious things

15 messages 2002/09/20

[#50850] Checking hash key's and values, with case insensitivity — khabibiuf@... (Khurram)

Hey all,

26 messages 2002/09/20

[#50867] Speed up suggestions — Tomas Brixi <tomas_brixi@...>

Hello,

18 messages 2002/09/20

[#50878] String interpolation at will? — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

Maybe I'm overlooking something obvious,

14 messages 2002/09/20
[#50880] RE: String interpolation at will? — Steve Tuckner <STUCKNER@...> 2002/09/20

Maybe this is too dangerous but

[#50958] are functions/methods "first class objects"? — David Garamond <davegaramond@...>

sorry this is a bit philosophical, but i just wonder whether ruby can be

17 messages 2002/09/22

[#50972] Re: Speed up suggestions — Tomas Brixi <tomas_brixi@...>

Thanks all for speedup tips.

22 messages 2002/09/23
[#50975] Re: Speed up suggestions — Ryan Davis <ryand@...> 2002/09/23

[#50983] Re: Speed up suggestions — Tomas Brixi <tomas_brixi@...> 2002/09/23

[#51156] adding overload to ruby — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...>

Hello all and especially Matz,

285 messages 2002/09/24
[#51371] Re: adding overload to ruby — "Justin Johnson" <justinj@...> 2002/09/26

[#51372] Re: adding overload to ruby — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...> 2002/09/26

Hello Justin,

[#51375] Re: adding overload to ruby — ts <decoux@...> 2002/09/26

>>>>> "B" == Bulat Ziganshin <bulatz@integ.ru> writes:

[#51376] Re: adding overload to ruby — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...> 2002/09/26

Hello ts,

[#51378] Re: adding overload to ruby — ts <decoux@...> 2002/09/26

>>>>> "B" == Bulat Ziganshin <bulatz@integ.ru> writes:

[#51382] Re: adding overload to ruby — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...> 2002/09/26

Hello ts,

[#51384] Re: adding overload to ruby — dblack@... 2002/09/26

Hi --

[#51388] Re: adding overload to ruby — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...> 2002/09/26

Hello dblack,

[#51391] Re: adding overload to ruby — dblack@... 2002/09/26

Hi --

[#51413] Re: adding overload to ruby — "Justin Johnson" <justinj@...> 2002/09/26

[#51542] Re: adding overload to ruby — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...> 2002/09/27

Hello Justin,

[#51574] R (was: adding overload to ruby) — Nikodemus Siivola <tsiivola@...> 2002/09/27

[#51576] Re: R (was: adding overload to ruby) — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...> 2002/09/27

Hello Nikodemus,

[#51591] Re: R (was: adding overload to ruby) — Nikodemus Siivola <tsiivola@...> 2002/09/27

[#51621] Re: R — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/09/27

Hi,

[#51741] Re: R — Nikodemus Siivola <tsiivola@...> 2002/09/28

[#51747] Re: R — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/09/28

Hi,

[#51752] Re: R — dblack@... 2002/09/28

Hi --

[#51755] Re: R — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/09/28

Oh yes, in fact, this is one of our selling points, right? We show the

[#51918] Re: R — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...> 2002/09/30

Hello William,

[#51923] Re: R — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/09/30

Hi,

[#51938] Re: R — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...> 2002/09/30

Hello Yukihiro,

[#51949] Re: R — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/09/30

Hi,

[#51953] Re: R — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...> 2002/09/30

Hello Yukihiro,

[#51593] RE: R (was: adding overload to ruby) — "Christian Boos" <cboos@...> 2002/09/27

Did you have a look at http://merd.net :

[#51462] Re: adding overload to ruby — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/09/26

Why not designing a new language with a mix of typed variable and untyped

[#51467] Re: adding overload to ruby — <bbense+comp.lang.ruby.Sep.26.02@...> 2002/09/26

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[#51185] Object-Oriented struct Model in C — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

20 messages 2002/09/24

[#51389] Is Ruby's grammar LL(k)? — Mauricio =?unknown-8bit?Q?Fern=E1ndez?= <batsman.geo@...>

16 messages 2002/09/26

[#51444] Ruby/Tk or mod_ruby or what ?? — GBanschbach@...

Dear All,

16 messages 2002/09/26

[#51486] Ruby - common pitfalls? — Rudolf Polzer <AntiATField_adsgohere@...>

Is there a list of common pitfalls beginners in this language should

32 messages 2002/09/26

[#51530] Where Is Method Call Precedence? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

40 messages 2002/09/27

[#51639] RE: REXML namespace support — "Volkmann, Mark" <Mark.Volkmann@...>

In my case I'm given a string which is a namespace prefix and I want to

14 messages 2002/09/27

[#51809] thoughts on typelessness — dblack@...

Hi --

136 messages 2002/09/29
[#51810] Re: thoughts on typelessness — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/09/29

Hi David,

[#51877] Re: thoughts on typelessness — Chris Gehlker <canyonrat@...> 2002/09/29

[#52055] Re: thoughts on typelessness — Bryan Murphy <bryan@...> 2002/10/01

Gavin Sinclair wrote:

[#52059] Re: thoughts on typelessness — Chris Gehlker <canyonrat@...> 2002/10/01

[#52062] Re: thoughts on typelessness — Bryan Murphy <bryan@...> 2002/10/01

Chris Gehlker wrote:

[#52081] Re: thoughts on typelessness — Chris Gehlker <canyonrat@...> 2002/10/01

[#52147] Re: thoughts on typelessness — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/10/01

Hi Dave,

[#52150] Re: thoughts on typelessness — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2002/10/01

William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@y.glue.umd.edu> writes:

[#52151] Re: thoughts on typelessness — GOTO Kentaro <gotoken@...> 2002/10/01

At Wed, 2 Oct 2002 01:37:46 +0900,

[#52154] Re: thoughts on typelessness — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2002/10/01

On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 02:11:24AM +0900, GOTO Kentaro wrote:

[#51818] announce@ == less email (FAQ item?) — Ryan Davis <ryand-ruby@...>

ZenTest and ZenWeb were just released. I announced these to several

40 messages 2002/09/29

[#51974] Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know

37 messages 2002/09/30
[#52128] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/10/01

Thanks, Gabriele. I will try to incorporate your input. The "0 is

[#52965] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know — "Kontra, Gergely" <kgergely@...> 2002/10/11

>> - the ||= operator exists :-)

[#52970] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/10/11

Hi,

[#52971] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know — dblack@... 2002/10/11

Hi --

Re: adding overload to ruby

From: Friedrich Dominicus <frido@...>
Date: 2002-09-26 16:15:07 UTC
List: ruby-talk #51425
William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@z.glue.umd.edu> writes:

> Hi All,
> 
> I sense that this discussion is related to a previous question, "Has a    
> 'Scripting Language' Been Used for Real Business/Corporate World
> (read: large-scale) Applications?"
> 
> Also a person asked before that since there is no compile-time type
> checking, probably that is what hinders a "scripting language" from being
> used in large scale corporate development.
I don't buy that any longer. A counter example, how much of ruby is
itself written in ruby? 

> 
> We all know the facts that large-scale software, including Ruby  
> itself, currently is almost always written in C, C++, or Java.  (Yes,
> probably there are others, such as Eiffel, but I don't know.)
Well the reason for that are definitly not static typing. Typing in C
is thiner than fig leaf. The same is true for C++, but with discpipine
you will get further with it there. Java can not live without casts
too. Just see all the container classes. So if static typing would
really be so important there would be very few choices. Ada, Eiffel
and modern functional programming languages. 

>  And we see
> that these "large-scale software" languages all have type
> declarations.  We all know the benefits of type declaration, although it
> usually increases the development time.
This can be said in general. If the type are automatiall inferred you
do not have to bother....

> 
> Now, I think we have two options.  First, it seems that some people
> (myself included) are really interested in doing large scale software
> development in Ruby.  This has resulted in the discussion on "private
> variables" among other things.  Now, we are discussing
> "overloading".  This is good,
This argumentation is arguable. Why should overloading be considered
good? And why should it look as bad as in C++ e.g.? I prefer the
Haskell approach here much more. If we talk about static typing I
really would appriciate not takin the worst examples as guideline.



> 
> The second option is we do not change Ruby too much, and we leave large   
> scale software development problem to the core by writing the core in C,  
> C++, or Java (with JRuby) and use Ruby more on the interface.  Surely we
> don't like to write in C/C++/Java, but from performance alone (Java may be
> excluded), probably it is the right thing to do.
I would think it very much depends if performance is that crucial, if
it really was than it's inexplicable why people use Java and compile
it down to JVM-Code.

> 
> Finally, since people love writing in Ruby so much, probably more research
> should be done on how to ultimately create a translator from Ruby to, say,
> C.  Even the rb2c web page
> (http://easter.kuee.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~hiwada/ruby/rb2c/) states that you can
> get scripts run "a little bit faster".
No the right way, is making interfacing totally easy. Than write the
software in Ruby, than check if it's fast enough, than improve the
algorithmgs than check again if it's fast enough and than one might
consider re-writing part in supposed-to-be-faster languages. 

Iff interfacing is as easy as wrting Ruby itself than you could
easiest wrap libraries from elsewhere.

Regards
Friedrich

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