From: Ryan Davis <ryand@...>
Date: 2002-10-01T15:48:03+09:00
Subject: Re: announce@ == less email (FAQ item?)


On Monday, September 30, 2002, at 05:21 PM, Sean Chittenden wrote:

> [...]
> -talk is close to -chat.  Most of the
> 35K emails to ruby I've scanned over because they don't interest me.
> [...]
> To the contrary, the lack of proliferation is bad for the community.
> There is no notion of 'on topic' for -talk.
> [...]
> Honestly folks, I don't care about what Larry Wall driveled out in an
> attempt to promote Perl6 (and as a result stepped on Ruby) and [more],
> but the amount of time that I spend thinking
> about ways of enhancing Ruby is close to 30sec out of every month.
> [...]
> I think that there are other people in the world who use ruby
> commercially and aren't on -talk (probably because of its volume and
> they are time constrained).
> [...]
> Absolutely....  the duplicates issue is a tad tough to manage though.
> [...]
> I'd like to second zenspider's plea to have developers use the
> announcement list for announcing modules, etc.  Here are the two lists
> that I imagine are of use to people at the moment:

WOW! I _was_ going to go through all of the replies and give a piece of 
my mind to one and all of them, but I really truly couldn't have said 
it better than you have. You clearly iterated every point I thought up 
today and quite a few more.

Quite simply, the list is growing well beyond it's means of management 
(reader's perspective):

Post #	YYYY-MM	Span
00,001	1998-12
10,000	2001-01	25 mo
20,000	2001-08	 7 mo
30,000	2002-02	 6 mo
40,000	2002-05	 3 mo
50,000	2002-09	 4 mo

50k was early THIS MONTH, and we are already 1/5th through to 60k! The 
list needs to be split up so that people can pick and choose what they 
want to subscribe to. It won't increase the amount of email that people 
get, and even if it did, I guarantee you that it's less than .01% of 
the current traffic in -talk!

Personally, I too don't give a hoot about extending ruby for the sake 
of extending ruby. A brief glance at the archives tell me that a vast 
MINORITY of the list DO care about extending ruby. Why should all of us 
have to wade through what the minority want to talk about in volume? 
Because we don't have a choice. announce@ is the first step in giving 
people a choice.

I'd love to have the list moved over to ruby-lang.org and be a 
sanctioned list. Matz was the first person to subscribe to announce@ 
after it was announced, so I doubt he'd mind all that much. I'd also 
love it if we could do that in such a way that Sean can donate some of 
his bandwidth into helping out (maybe lists.ruby-lang.org?).

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