[#104966] Why I don't use Ruby. — TLOlczyk <olczyk2002@...>

For a short period I used Ruby and found that I liked it very much,

137 messages 2004/07/01
[#105594] Re: Functional Ruby (Re: Why I don't use Ruby.) — ser@... (Sean Russell) 2004/07/08

Mikael Brockman <phubuh@phubuh.org> wrote in message news:<87llhx2hec.fsf@phubuh.org>...

[#105603] Re: Functional Ruby (Re: Why I don't use Ruby.) — James Britt <jamesUNDERBARb@...> 2004/07/08

Sean Russell wrote:

[#105607] Re: Functional Ruby (Re: Why I don't use Ruby.) — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2004/07/08

James Britt wrote:

[#106115] Re: Functional Ruby (Re: Why I don't use Ruby.) — bruno modulix <onurb@...> 2004/07/12

Hal Fulton a 馗rit :

[#106121] Re: Functional Ruby (Re: Why I don't use Ruby.) — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/07/12

On Monday 12 July 2004 13:52, bruno modulix wrote:

[#106268] Re: Functional Ruby (Re: Why I don't use Ruby.) — bruno modulix <onurb@...> 2004/07/13

Sean O'Dell a 馗rit :

[#106278] Re: Functional Ruby (Re: Why I don't use Ruby.) — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/07/13

On Tuesday 13 July 2004 13:02, bruno modulix wrote:

[#105596] Re: Functional Ruby (Re: Why I don't use Ruby.) — ser@... (Sean Russell) 2004/07/08

Mikael Brockman <phubuh@phubuh.org> wrote in message news:<87llhx2hec.fsf@phubuh.org>...

[#105610] Re: Functional Ruby (Re: Why I don't use Ruby.) — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/07/08

On Thursday 08 July 2004 11:52, Sean Russell wrote:

[#105621] Re: Functional Ruby (Re: Why I don't use Ruby.) — zuzu <sean.zuzu@...> 2004/07/08

On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 05:03:10 +0900, Sean O'Dell <sean@celsoft.com> wrote:

[#105057] ruby-dev summary 23763-23840 — Minero Aoki <aamine@...>

Hi all,

13 messages 2004/07/02

[#105058] Exceptions list - Unix ENOENT not the name of the exception - what is? — Graham Nicholls <graham@...>

10 messages 2004/07/02

[#105081] Help with one-liner — Philip Mateescu <pmateescu@...>

Hello,

13 messages 2004/07/02

[#105134] slow method searching? — David Garamond <lists@...6.isreserved.com>

$ time ruby -e'a=(1..200000).to_a; a.classx'

17 messages 2004/07/02

[#105234] Which version of Ruby is most widely used? — Randy Lawrence <jm@...>

What version of Ruby are most of us currenting using?

14 messages 2004/07/04

[#105240] aeditor 1.0 released — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

screenshots:

24 messages 2004/07/05

[#105307] Net::SSH 0.0.2 — Jamis Buck <jgb3@...>

Net::SSH is an implementation of the SSH2 protocol in Ruby.

19 messages 2004/07/05

[#105314] Array::index and rindex operator — Hadmut Danisch <nospam@...>

Hi,

23 messages 2004/07/05
[#105364] Re: Array::index and rindex operator — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2004/07/06

[#105373] Re: Array::index and rindex operator — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2004/07/06

[#105384] Re: Array::index and rindex operator — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2004/07/06

[#105330] Ruby Advocacy/Documentation/Sponsorship? — Randy Lawrence <jm@...>

Having discovered Ruby recently and falling in love with it, I'm

16 messages 2004/07/06

[#105408] Bugtracking & UnitTests == good? — martinankerl at eml dot cc <asdf@...>

Hi all! I am afraid this post is a bit offtopic. If you are not

14 messages 2004/07/06

[#105417] Secure Ruby Compiler — Randy Lawrence <jm@...>

One of the killer features lacking in most scripting languages is the

37 messages 2004/07/06
[#105463] Re: Secure Ruby Compiler — Neil Stevens <neil@...> 2004/07/07

Randy Lawrence wrote:

[#105808] Secure Ruby Compiler — tony summerfelt <snowzone5@...> 2004/07/09

On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:32:46 +0900, you wrote:

[#105836] Re: Secure Ruby Compiler — zuzu <sean.zuzu@...> 2004/07/09

On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 04:28:54 +0900, tony summerfelt

[#105454] Class#=== has interesting results — Charles Comstock <cc1@...>

Why does this happen?

20 messages 2004/07/07
[#105461] Re: Class#=== has interesting results — Mauricio Fern疣dez <batsman.geo@...> 2004/07/07

On Wed, Jul 07, 2004 at 04:22:36PM +0900, Charles Comstock wrote:

[#105510] Re: Class#=== has interesting results — Charles Comstock <cc1@...> 2004/07/07

Mauricio Fern疣dez wrote:

[#105560] ruby interpreter as mach kernel server (beside bsd) — zuzu <sean.zuzu@...>

ruby, starting the interactive ruby shell, but with filesystem access

21 messages 2004/07/08

[#105567] speeding ruby development — David Garamond <lists@...6.isreserved.com>

I personally would very much like Ruby development to be sped up. We

34 messages 2004/07/08

[#105597] While we're discussing 'ri'... — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

I have a confession. 'ri' has never worked for me, and I have never

17 messages 2004/07/08
[#105605] Re: While we're discussing 'ri'... — James Britt <jamesUNDERBARb@...> 2004/07/08

Hal Fulton wrote:

[#105651] Anomoly using pattern to remove superfluous final \, if present — "Richard Lionheart" <NoOne@...>

Hi All,

13 messages 2004/07/09

[#105660] Secure Database Systems — "Sarah Tanembaum" <sarahtanembaum@...>

I was wondering if it is possible to create a secure database system

13 messages 2004/07/09

[#105681] I love Ruby — Graham Nicholls <graham@...>

I had to say it! I teach for LearningTree, so was able to attend a perl

19 messages 2004/07/09

[#105687] Ruby-Syntax capable editors for OS X? — Michael Fivis <michael.fivis@...>

Hello, fellow OS X Ruby fans. I was wondering if there was any nice

12 messages 2004/07/09

[#105735] PickAxe 2 licensing — Dave Thomas <dave@...>

Folks:

65 messages 2004/07/09
[#105828] Re: PickAxe 2 licensing — ser@... (Sean Russell) 2004/07/09

Dave Thomas <dave@pragprog.com> wrote in message news:<DA50B6EA-D1B6-11D8-A508-000A95676A62@pragprog.com>...

[#105830] Re: PickAxe 2 licensing — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2004/07/09

[#105886] Re: PickAxe 2 licensing — zuzu <sean.zuzu@...> 2004/07/10

On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:43:23 +0900, Dave Thomas <dave@pragprog.com> wrote:

[#105911] Re: PickAxe 2 licensing — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2004/07/10

[#105929] Re: PickAxe 2 licensing — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/07/10

On Saturday 10 July 2004 10:21, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#105754] : RubyGems 0.7.0 Released — Jim Weirich <jim@...>

Hello all,

15 messages 2004/07/09

[#105788] My impressions about Ruby — "Sam Sungshik Kong" <ssk@...>

This post is kinda long and a personal opinion which is not meant for

12 messages 2004/07/09

[#105942] Business application building with Ruby — Alexey Verkhovsky <alex@...>

I am contemplating a project, and I have a question:

28 messages 2004/07/10
[#105950] Re: Business application building with Ruby — "Kirk Haines" <khaines@...> 2004/07/10

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 07:27:23 +0900, Alexey Verkhovsky wrote

[#105959] A little algorithmic help requested... — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

Here's a problem my tired brain is having trouble with.

23 messages 2004/07/11

[#106011] Net::SSH 0.0.3 — Jamis Buck <jgb3@...>

Net::SSH is a Ruby implementation of the SSH2 client protocol.

20 messages 2004/07/11

[#106022] SQLite-Ruby 1.3.0 — Jamis Buck <jgb3@...>

Looks like there were no problems found in the SQLite-Ruby release

15 messages 2004/07/11
[#106064] Re: [ANN] SQLite-Ruby 1.3.0 — Meino Christian Cramer <Meino.Cramer@...> 2004/07/12

From: Jamis Buck <jgb3@email.byu.edu>

[#106135] Re: [ANN] SQLite-Ruby 1.3.0 — Jamis Buck <jgb3@...> 2004/07/12

Meino Christian Cramer wrote:

[#106028] Ruby quickies and useful idioms — Sam Stephenson <sstephenson@...>

There's a few trivial but useful "extensions" to Ruby's standard

30 messages 2004/07/11

[#106052] Ruby Module Naming Convention vs Java Namespaces — Randy Lawrence <jm@...>

How do we manage namespaces in Ruby to avoid collisions with 3rd parties?

15 messages 2004/07/12

[#106215] Printing contents of a method — Nate Smith <nsmith5@...>

Hello all,

16 messages 2004/07/13
[#106221] Re: Printing contents of a method — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2004/07/13

[#106227] qtruby compilation error — Jochen Immendfer <jochen.i@...>

Hi,

20 messages 2004/07/13
[#106231] Re: qtruby compilation error — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2004/07/13

On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 01:40:23AM +0900, Jochen Immendfer wrote:

[#106233] Re: qtruby compilation error — Jochen Immendfer <jochen.i@...> 2004/07/13

Thank you two for answering.

[#106366] — Jesse van den Kieboom <troplosti@...>

Hi,

28 messages 2004/07/14
[#106371] — ts <decoux@...> 2004/07/14

>>>>> "J" == Jesse van den Kieboom <troplosti@orcaweb.cjb.net> writes:

[#106374] Re: No Subject — Jesse van den Kieboom <troplosti@...> 2004/07/14

On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 14:41, ts wrote:

[#106377] Re: No Subject — ts <decoux@...> 2004/07/14

>>>>> "J" == Jesse van den Kieboom <troplosti@orcaweb.cjb.net> writes:

[#106380] Re: No Subject — Jesse van den Kieboom <troplosti@...> 2004/07/14

Okay, I understand the idea now. Problem is that I register two global

[#106382] Re: No Subject — ts <decoux@...> 2004/07/14

>>>>> "J" == Jesse van den Kieboom <troplosti@orcaweb.cjb.net> writes:

[#106445] Newbie: Pointers for Ruby compatible DBase engine — xdblade@... (Xeon)

Hi,

13 messages 2004/07/14

[#106471] Free Ruby "Cookbook" (48.71% done) — Randy Lawrence <jm@...>

Anyone know if this is moving along or stalled?

12 messages 2004/07/15

[#106480] my ruby code won't go as fast as my perl code — "Dave Burt" <burtdav@...>

I realise I'm doing this a perlish way, but my question is, is it possible

12 messages 2004/07/15

[#106493] Writing games in Ruby? — winnocence@... (Innocence)

Hey

15 messages 2004/07/15

[#106512] Problem using Ruby as script language, which limits its distribution speed — "Christian Kaiser" <bchk@...>

I am (or was) a big fan of ruby (except some unexpected function names, but

12 messages 2004/07/15

[#106519] Hiding app.run in begin-rescue block: pros & cons? — "Richard Lionheart" <NoOne@...>

Hi All,

16 messages 2004/07/15

[#106530] scripting language (fwd) — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...>

28 messages 2004/07/15
[#106552] Re: scripting language (fwd) — Jamis Buck <jgb3@...> 2004/07/15

Ara.T.Howard wrote:

[#106546] Anyone tried Arachno Ruby? — "Robert Oschler" <no_replies@..._email_address.invalid>

I'm considering taking a look at Arachno Ruby but I'd like to hear from some

20 messages 2004/07/15
[#106687] Re: Anyone tried Arachno Ruby? — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...> 2004/07/16

Hello Keith,

[#106694] Re: Anyone tried Arachno Ruby? — Wirianto Djunaidi <wirianto.djunaidi@...> 2004/07/17

Saw this mentioned here, so I tried it out. Looks very need and the

[#106675] Dynamically replacing methods for efficiency — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

I have an idea here, but I'm afraid of crossing the line from

14 messages 2004/07/16

[#106735] : about class method — "Kurk Lord" <kurk_lord@...>

Hi all,

17 messages 2004/07/17

[#106819] Which compiled language is closest to Ruby? — Gully Foyle <nospam@...>

I am currently using C++ as my compiled language but fell in love with

37 messages 2004/07/19

[#106823] Ruby Specification — David Ross <drossruby@...>

Request. Can someone create a ruby specification? I

27 messages 2004/07/19
[#106845] Re: Ruby Specification — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...1.vip.ukl.yahoo.com> 2004/07/19

il Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:38:31 +0900, David Ross <drossruby@yahoo.com>

[#106837] Compiling Ruby code — Nospam <news.home.nl-1@...>

Hi,

29 messages 2004/07/19

[#106908] Onigurama — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...>

I've just started reading "Mastering Regular Expressions" because, while

32 messages 2004/07/19
[#107163] Re: [OT] FreeBSD <-> Debian — Michael Mueller <muellerix@...> 2004/07/22

> HI Michael,

[#106979] thread safe? — tony summerfelt <snowzone5@...>

i see that a number of modules are declared 'thread safe?'

16 messages 2004/07/20

[#106988] VB(ish) replacement — Dave Boland <NOSPAMdboland9@...>

The other day I was asked if there is an open source replacement for VB6

17 messages 2004/07/20

[#107001] openssl not getting built — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

I'm building the July 20 snapshot on Fedora 1.

15 messages 2004/07/20
[#107004] Re: openssl not getting built — Jamis Buck <jgb3@...> 2004/07/20

Hal Fulton wrote:

[#107051] sysread and buffered I/O — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

I've been playing with telnet (and ssh) and I've been

40 messages 2004/07/21
[#107052] Re: sysread and buffered I/O — Tanaka Akira <akr@...17n.org> 2004/07/21

In article <40FE101D.90603@hypermetrics.com>,

[#107053] Re: sysread and buffered I/O — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2004/07/21

Tanaka Akira wrote:

[#107054] Re: sysread and buffered I/O — Tanaka Akira <akr@...17n.org> 2004/07/21

In article <40FE1A4C.9080403@hypermetrics.com>,

[#107055] Re: sysread and buffered I/O — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2004/07/21

Tanaka Akira wrote:

[#107057] Re: sysread and buffered I/O — Tanaka Akira <akr@...17n.org> 2004/07/21

In article <40FE1F86.6030005@hypermetrics.com>,

[#107062] Re: sysread and buffered I/O — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...> 2004/07/21

On Wednesday, July 21, 2004, 6:22:19 PM, Tanaka wrote:

[#107065] Re: sysread and buffered I/O — Tanaka Akira <akr@...17n.org> 2004/07/21

In article <189-1205065002.20040721185353@soyabean.com.au>,

[#107118] Ruby Installer for Windows 1.8.2-14_RC5 (from Ruby 1.8.2 preview1) — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...>

Today Matz released the official preview1 for Ruby 1.8.2. This release

56 messages 2004/07/21
[#107162] Re: [ANN] Ruby Installer for Windows 1.8.2-14_RC5 (from Ruby 1.8.2 preview1) — David Espada <davinciSINSPAM@...> 2004/07/22

El mi駻coles 21 de julio, Curt Hibbs escribi鷓

[#107184] Re: [ANN] Ruby Installer for Windows 1.8.2-14_RC5 (from Ruby 1.8.2 preview1) — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2004/07/22

David Espada wrote:

[#107185] Re: [ANN] Ruby Installer for Windows 1.8.2-14_RC5 (from Ruby 1.8.2 preview1) — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...> 2004/07/22

Hello Curt,

[#107819] **RC6** Ruby Installer for Windows 1.8.2-14 — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2004/07/29

This release candidate of the Ruby Installer for Windows

[#107128] Re: substring by range parameter (bug?) — "D T" <email55555@...>

Correct to my previous conclusion.

12 messages 2004/07/21
[#107130] was - Re: substring by range parameter (bug?) — "Ara.T.Howard" <ahoward@...> 2004/07/21

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004, D T wrote:

[#107278] Active Record 0.9.0: Thread safety, speed, naturalness — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...>

What's new in Active Record 0.9.0?

15 messages 2004/07/23
[#107556] Re: [ANN] Active Record 0.9.0: Thread safety, speed, naturalness — Carl Youngblood <carl.youngblood@...> 2004/07/27

I'm still new to ActiveRecord, so forgive me if this is obvious, but

[#107580] Re: [ANN] Active Record 0.9.0: Thread safety, speed, naturalness — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...> 2004/07/27

On Tuesday, July 27, 2004, 8:59:26 PM, Carl wrote:

[#107583] Re: [ANN] Active Record 0.9.0: Thread safety, speed, naturalness — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...> 2004/07/27

> I'm pretty confident that David would ensure ActiveRecord works just

[#107621] Re: [ANN] Active Record 0.9.0: Thread safety, speed, naturalness — Carl Youngblood <carl.youngblood@...> 2004/07/27

This stuff should probably be documented better, since it is not very

[#107627] Re: [ANN] Active Record 0.9.0: Thread safety, speed, naturalness — David Morton <mortonda@...> 2004/07/27

Carl Youngblood wrote:

[#107370] Rails 0.5.0: The end of vaporware! — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...>

I致e been talking (and hyping) Rails for so long that it痴 all wierd to

22 messages 2004/07/24
[#107404] Re: [ANN] Rails 0.5.0: The end of vaporware! — Andreas Schwarz <usenet@...> 2004/07/25

David Heinemeier Hansson wrote:

[#107405] Re: [ANN] Rails 0.5.0: The end of vaporware! — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...> 2004/07/25

> The 10 minute video is really impressive. But after browsing through

[#107407] Re: [ANN] Rails 0.5.0: The end of vaporware! — Andreas Schwarz <usenet@...> 2004/07/25

David Heinemeier Hansson wrote:

[#107409] Re: [ANN] Rails 0.5.0: The end of vaporware! — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...> 2004/07/25

>>> The 10 minute video is really impressive. But after browsing through

[#107410] Re: [ANN] Rails 0.5.0: The end of vaporware! — Andreas Schwarz <usenet@...> 2004/07/25

David Heinemeier Hansson wrote:

[#107387] rubyonrails and cgikit comparison — Gully Foyle <nospam@...>

There seems to be a lot of excitement about rubyonrails even before the

50 messages 2004/07/25
[#107397] Re: rubyonrails and cgikit comparison — Bauduin Raphael <rb@...> 2004/07/25

Gully Foyle wrote:

[#107448] Re: rubyonrails and cgikit comparison — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...1.vip.ukl.yahoo.com> 2004/07/25

il Mon, 26 Jul 2004 03:48:30 +0900, Florian Weber

[#107485] Re: rubyonrails and cgikit comparison — Florian Weber <csshsh@...> 2004/07/26

> He's saying that he does not want to have 'foo' referencing something

[#107490] Re: rubyonrails and cgikit comparison — Raphael Bauduin <raphael.bauduin@...> 2004/07/26

Florian Weber wrote:

[#107495] Re: rubyonrails and cgikit comparison — Florian Weber <csshsh@...> 2004/07/26

[#107555] Why's (Poignant) Guide to Ruby: Expansion Pak I: The Tiger's Vest (with a Basic Introduction to Irb) — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...>

Yes, I've been taking forever. Well, what can I say? Answering threats

27 messages 2004/07/27
[#107661] Re: [ANN] Why's (Poignant) Guide to Ruby: Expansion Pak I: The Tiger's Vest (with a Basic Introduction to Irb) — Raphael Bauduin <raphael.bauduin@...> 2004/07/28

why the lucky stiff wrote:

[#107662] Re: [ANN] Why's (Poignant) Guide to Ruby: Expansion Pak I: The Tiger's Vest (with a Basic Introduction to Irb) — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2004/07/28

Raphael Bauduin wrote:

[#107675] Re: [ANN] Why's (Poignant) Guide to Ruby: Expansion Pak I: The Tiger's Vest (with a Basic Introduction to Irb) — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...> 2004/07/28

Curt Hibbs wrote:

[#107681] Re: [ANN] Why's (Poignant) Guide to Ruby: Expansion Pak I: The Tiger's Vest (with a Basic Introduction to Irb) — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2004/07/28

why the lucky stiff wrote:

[#107594] DBI: connecting 'local' database — Ralf Mler <r_mueller@...>

Hi,

13 messages 2004/07/27
[#107595] Re: DBI: connecting 'local' database — Michael Neumann <mneumann@...> 2004/07/27

Ralf Mler wrote:

[#107715] Stupid ODBC! — Lennon Day-Reynolds <rcoder@...>

So, in response to David's call for contributions of adapters for

33 messages 2004/07/28
[#107738] Re: Stupid ODBC! — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/07/29

On Wednesday 28 July 2004 15:04, Lennon Day-Reynolds wrote:

[#107741] Re: Stupid ODBC! — Lennon Day-Reynolds <rcoder@...> 2004/07/29

Sean,

[#107740] Rails 0.5.5: Windows, WEBrick, lots! — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...>

What's new in Rails 0.5.5?

10 messages 2004/07/29

[#107832] C ext: GC claiming objects early — Tilman Sauerbeck <tilman@...>

Hi,

17 messages 2004/07/29
[#107885] Re: C ext: GC claiming objects early — ts <decoux@...> 2004/07/30

>>>>> "T" == Tilman Sauerbeck <tilman@code-monkey.de> writes:

[#107906] Forward references? — Lloyd Zusman <ljz@...>

Is there a way to define forward references to functions? Due to my own

27 messages 2004/07/30

[#107916] AllInOneRuby — "Erik Veenstra" <pan@...>

I'm pleased to announce the birth of AllInOneRuby.

15 messages 2004/07/30

[#107984] Free(real Free) GUI toolkits — David Ross <drossruby@...>

Has anyone tried using the WideStudio libraries with

82 messages 2004/07/31
[#107985] Re: Free(real Free) GUI toolkits — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2004/07/31

David Ross wrote:

[#107986] Re: Free(real Free) GUI toolkits — David Ross <drossruby@...> 2004/07/31

> I haven't tried this (or even heard of it before),

[#107989] Re: Free(real Free) GUI toolkits — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...> 2004/07/31

Hello David,

[#107990] Re: Free(real Free) GUI toolkits — David Ross <drossruby@...> 2004/08/01

> I hate myself for asking this question:

[#107991] Re: Free(real Free) GUI toolkits — David Ross <drossruby@...> 2004/08/01

Oh a correction, by binary, I meant statically linked

[#107994] Re: Free(real Free) GUI toolkits — David Ross <drossruby@...> 2004/08/01

Hmm.. does anyone have a MacOSX computer they can try

[#108000] Re: Free(real Free) GUI toolkits — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...> 2004/08/01

Hello David,

[#108008] Re: Free(real Free) GUI toolkits — David Ross <drossruby@...> 2004/08/01

"Truth is important, knock down the trolls on thier

[#108017] Re: Free(real Free) GUI toolkits — Rando Christensen <eyez@...> 2004/08/01

David Ross wrote:

[#108657] Re: Free(real Free) GUI toolkits — Florian Gross <flgr@...> 2004/08/09

David Ross wrote:

[#108660] Re: Free(real Free) GUI toolkits — David Ross <drossruby@...> 2004/08/09

>> And i must say i don't understand your attitude,

[#108690] Re: Free(real Free) GUI toolkits — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...> 2004/08/09

Hello David,

[#108752] Re: Free(real Free) GUI toolkits — David Ross <drossruby@...> 2004/08/10

>

[#108816] Re: Free(real Free) GUI toolkits — Carl Youngblood <carl.youngblood@...> 2004/08/10

It's amazing to see how much one bad apple can spoil the barrel.

[#108818] Re: Free(real Free) GUI toolkits — David Ross <drossruby@...> 2004/08/10

> It's amazing to see how much one bad apple can spoil

[#108634] Re: Free(real Free) GUI toolkits — Reinder Verlinde <reinder@...> 2004/08/08

In article <410CAD5B.8030405@illuzionz.org>,

Re: Secure Ruby Compiler

From: zuzu <sean.zuzu@...>
Date: 2004-07-10 06:14:05 UTC
List: ruby-talk #105881
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 14:18:50 +0900, Randy Lawrence <jm@zzzzzzzzzzzz.com> wrote:
> I love your passion for open source.  I love open source too.

*BOOOP*  *BOOOP*  i think we're passing the buoy horns announcing
we're leaving ruby topic waters...  ;-)

> zuzu wrote:
> [snip]
> >  users have a right to understand the code they are running.  
> [snip]
> 
> What specific code do they have the right to understand?  All code?  I
> want to have that "right to understand" too!  Where can I obtain it?

i hesitate to offer an absolute, but for now i will say all code
running on computing hardware you own.  you can obtain it by
exercising your right in doing so.

> Was that "right to understand" conveyed by law or a private contracts?

rights are supposidly innate, not granted by law.  for example, the
american bill of rights does not grant rights, but defines which
rights the government may not legislate against.

however, in practice, rights are defined by the process of exercising them.

> What if the user is too stupid to understand the code?

the ability for the human mind to learn is defined by biological
hardware (the brain).  in fact the biological purpose of the brain is
to learn to adapt to its environment faster than the dna that composed
it can.  read 'the human use of human beings' by norbert wiener,
'cosmos' by carl sagan, and 'age of spiritual machines' by ray
kurzweil for starters.

> Does the
> developer have to simplify the code until it could be understood by all
> users?

no, but statistically the developer's best interest for the code to
improve, adapt, and extend (aka evolve) by presenting the code "as
simply as possible, but no simpler". 
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?EinsteinPrinciple

> If the developer refuses to simplify the code, are they
> criminals or merely commiting a breach of contract?

neither, a license is not a contract.
http://lwn.net/Articles/61292/

> [snip]
> >(and ironically, the GPL proves that most
> > people do not, in fact, steal licensed code.)  
> [snip]
> 
> How does GPL prove this?  I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just trying
> to understand how the GPL proves that fact.

foremost, i mis-stated "steal", as theft denotes denial of use.  i
meant license infringement, as i wrote for the rest of that email.
that said, GPL as an *example* statistically seems to support my
proposed hypothesis.

> I reread the GPL and I couldn't find any statistical data comparing
> number of people who steal vs comply with licensed code. All it contains
> is a bunch of terms and conditions--no quantifiable data on theft.

again, not the GPL itself.  i made a personal observation comparing
the total volume of code under the GPL license available on the
internet compared to number of accusations of GPL infringement as
reported by the slashdot(.org) news aggregator, whose content
specifically covers such matters.  with reasonable certainty, if
anyone with web access has observed a GPL infringement, that
observation will be reported on slashdot.

> Perhaps the GPL is obfuscated so that the statistical data on theft is
> hidden from plain view.  ASCII stenography?  Hmmmm.

i find this statement asinine.

> > obfuscation is a tool of oppression to secure a monopoly on an idea.  (even copyrights are
> > supposed to be TEMPORARY.)
> >
> 
> Well, I don't like oppression and I don't like monopoly (but the game
> "Monopoly" is kinda fun).

"how can a thimble be a landlord?"

> Obfuscation is a tool of oppression?  Like airplanes are a tool for
> terrorism?  

sure.  tools are amoral.  humans choose how they are used and for what purpose.

> Should they both be banned?

of course not.  however, by rule of law, some human activities are
deemed illegal within the boundaries of jurisdiction.

> Hmmm, it could mean fewer
> visits from the mother-in-law...maybe not a bad idea!
> 
> To be fair, we can probably imagine at least one undesirable use for
> every invention known to humankind. 

as i said.

> It doesn't mean it is the only use
> for the inventions--maybe it just means we need to use our imagination
> to think of more positive uses.
> 
> I wouldn't use obfuscation for oppression.  I'd use obfuscation to hide
> passwords when full-blown encryption isn't very practical or necessary.
>   For example, obfuscating a script that contains a database connection
> password that I'm hosting on a shared server just in case an
> unauthorized person gains read access to the script.

obfuscation, or rather, steganography as one form of obfuscation,
serves a different purpose than cryptography.  cryptography relies on
probability and mathematical difficulty.  obfuscation is applied
socially as disguise.

> ps
> 
> Data needs to be overwritten between 9 times (DOD 5220.22-M standard) -
> 27+ times (Guttman) before it is safe from modern HD recovery tools.
> Encrypt (or at a minimum, obfuscate) data you don't want to become
> public (anything useful for id theft or credit card fraud).  Most of us
> don't consider this when selling our computer or changing web hosting
> providers.

http://www.gnupg.org/
(also one example of software which *must* be Free to do its job.)

-z

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