From: Sander Jansen <sander@...>
Date: 2004-08-04T14:11:30+09:00
Subject: Re: Free(real Free) GUI toolkits

There are certainly more widgets than whats there (even within FOX itself). 
But its a lot of work, and most people are probably only interested in the 
most basic widgets. If you think something is missing, feel free to add 
it.... :)   

Note that I think I was fairly generous in putting some of these WideStudio 
widgets next to the FOX widgets  ( FXIconList <->WSCverbList )....


Sander

On Tuesday 03 August 2004 11:58 pm, David Ross wrote:
> That is a really nice comparison chart. One question
> though, What about the widgets that each has that FOX
> doesnt? There are more Widgets than just those.
>
> :P(*hehe) --David
>
> --- Sander Jansen <sander@knology.net> wrote:
> > Not impressed either.... BUT since I had nothing to
> > do, I added to my GUI
> > widget comparison page at the FOX Community wiki
> > page.  Feel free to add or
> > fix any entry's.
>
> http://fox-toolkit.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Widget_Comparison
>
> > 	Sander
> >
> > On Sunday 01 August 2004 07:28 am, Lothar Scholz
> >
> > wrote:
> > > Hello David,
> > >
> > > DR> Hmm.. does anyone have a MacOSX computer they
> >
> > can try
> >
> > > DR> out WideStudio on? I am curious to see if it
> >
> > is
> >
> > > DR> portable to the mac.
> > >
> > > DR> WideStudio has plenty of widgets btw. I just
> >
> > didn't
> >
> > > DR> play enough with the wsbuilder.
> > >
> > > Okay i downloaded the 100 MB Win Installer and
> >
> > played a bit with
> >
> > > wsbuilder. I must say that this toolkit can win
> >
> > the second price in
> >
> > > the most ugly toolkit competition (the first is
> >
> > for the all time
> >
> > > winner FLTK). And there is no theming to change
> >
> > this, looking at the
> >
> > > code shows me that there will be no theming for a
> >
> > very long time
> >
> > > because the drawing code is deeply buried in the
> >
> > source files.
> >
> > > I'm sure that the toolkit is more flexible, just
> >
> > because it uses a
> >
> > > TK like approach of managing/accessing attributes
> >
> > by string names. Maybe
> >
> > > not bad but quite different. The event procedures
> >
> > that simple
> >
> > > functions. So writting C++ code would require
> >
> > extra overhead, but it
> >
> > > is okay for different language bindings.
> > >
> > > The documentation seems not be on the state of a
> >
> > 3.1 release. It
> >
> > > describes methods but not which properties are
> >
> > available. There seems
> >
> > > to be also no real tutorial for starters.  I must
> >
> > say that i don't
> >
> > > like FAQ like tutorials, that have a lot of "How
> >
> > to " titles but no
> >
> > > integrated 10 min learn the basics code.
> > >
> > > From the technical point i don't like that the lib
> >
> > has no layout
> >
> > > mangement (only Delphi like anchors), a very bad
> >
> > option for everybody
> >
> > > who wants to do L10N. The implemented widgets are
> >
> > very very basic.
> >
> > > As a toolkit written in Japan there are of course
> >
> > unicode/MBCS (?)
> >
> > > handling routines. From the widget design it seems
> >
> > to be much much
> >
> > > harder to write or adapt widgets as it is in
> >
> > FOX/QT. I just looked at
> >
> > > the "WSClist.cpp" source code to find a place
> >
> > where i can overwrite
> >
> > > the item draw method to use my own custom draw
> >
> > hook. It's not
> >
> > > possible. But looking at the source code, hey man
> >
> > that code is ugly and
> >
> > > completely comment free. Other things, radio+check
> >
> > buttons must always
> >
> > > be grouped, so there seems to be also no good
> >
> > separation for
> >
> > > layout/logic in the toolkit.
> > >
> > > So i think it is good that this is a dead project.
> >
> > Don't waste your
> >
> > > time to try to work with this toolkit. After
> >
> > working about 8 years
> >
> > > with writting GUI's i can tell you that the afford
> >
> > you need to bring
> >
> > > this upto date (compared to GTK/QT/FOX) is too
> >
> > expensive and i really
> >
> > > doubt that you will find so much programmers
> >
> > helping you.
> >
> > > Oh yes i forgot, the WxBuilder - the GUI builder -
> >
> > is nothing where
> >
> > > anybody want's to write larger dialogs.
> >
> > --
> > "Nervous hands grip tight the knife
> > In the darkness, till the cake is cut"
> > 	- Peter Gabriel
>
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