[#104966] Why I don't use Ruby. — TLOlczyk <olczyk2002@...>

For a short period I used Ruby and found that I liked it very much,

137 messages 2004/07/01
[#105594] Re: Functional Ruby (Re: Why I don't use Ruby.) — ser@... (Sean Russell) 2004/07/08

Mikael Brockman <phubuh@phubuh.org> wrote in message news:<87llhx2hec.fsf@phubuh.org>...

[#105603] Re: Functional Ruby (Re: Why I don't use Ruby.) — James Britt <jamesUNDERBARb@...> 2004/07/08

Sean Russell wrote:

[#105607] Re: Functional Ruby (Re: Why I don't use Ruby.) — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2004/07/08

James Britt wrote:

[#106115] Re: Functional Ruby (Re: Why I don't use Ruby.) — bruno modulix <onurb@...> 2004/07/12

Hal Fulton a 馗rit :

[#106121] Re: Functional Ruby (Re: Why I don't use Ruby.) — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/07/12

On Monday 12 July 2004 13:52, bruno modulix wrote:

[#106268] Re: Functional Ruby (Re: Why I don't use Ruby.) — bruno modulix <onurb@...> 2004/07/13

Sean O'Dell a 馗rit :

[#106278] Re: Functional Ruby (Re: Why I don't use Ruby.) — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/07/13

On Tuesday 13 July 2004 13:02, bruno modulix wrote:

[#105596] Re: Functional Ruby (Re: Why I don't use Ruby.) — ser@... (Sean Russell) 2004/07/08

Mikael Brockman <phubuh@phubuh.org> wrote in message news:<87llhx2hec.fsf@phubuh.org>...

[#105610] Re: Functional Ruby (Re: Why I don't use Ruby.) — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/07/08

On Thursday 08 July 2004 11:52, Sean Russell wrote:

[#105621] Re: Functional Ruby (Re: Why I don't use Ruby.) — zuzu <sean.zuzu@...> 2004/07/08

On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 05:03:10 +0900, Sean O'Dell <sean@celsoft.com> wrote:

[#105057] ruby-dev summary 23763-23840 — Minero Aoki <aamine@...>

Hi all,

13 messages 2004/07/02

[#105058] Exceptions list - Unix ENOENT not the name of the exception - what is? — Graham Nicholls <graham@...>

10 messages 2004/07/02

[#105081] Help with one-liner — Philip Mateescu <pmateescu@...>

Hello,

13 messages 2004/07/02

[#105134] slow method searching? — David Garamond <lists@...6.isreserved.com>

$ time ruby -e'a=(1..200000).to_a; a.classx'

17 messages 2004/07/02

[#105234] Which version of Ruby is most widely used? — Randy Lawrence <jm@...>

What version of Ruby are most of us currenting using?

14 messages 2004/07/04

[#105240] aeditor 1.0 released — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

screenshots:

24 messages 2004/07/05

[#105307] Net::SSH 0.0.2 — Jamis Buck <jgb3@...>

Net::SSH is an implementation of the SSH2 protocol in Ruby.

19 messages 2004/07/05

[#105314] Array::index and rindex operator — Hadmut Danisch <nospam@...>

Hi,

23 messages 2004/07/05
[#105364] Re: Array::index and rindex operator — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2004/07/06

[#105373] Re: Array::index and rindex operator — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2004/07/06

[#105384] Re: Array::index and rindex operator — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2004/07/06

[#105330] Ruby Advocacy/Documentation/Sponsorship? — Randy Lawrence <jm@...>

Having discovered Ruby recently and falling in love with it, I'm

16 messages 2004/07/06

[#105408] Bugtracking & UnitTests == good? — martinankerl at eml dot cc <asdf@...>

Hi all! I am afraid this post is a bit offtopic. If you are not

14 messages 2004/07/06

[#105417] Secure Ruby Compiler — Randy Lawrence <jm@...>

One of the killer features lacking in most scripting languages is the

37 messages 2004/07/06
[#105463] Re: Secure Ruby Compiler — Neil Stevens <neil@...> 2004/07/07

Randy Lawrence wrote:

[#105808] Secure Ruby Compiler — tony summerfelt <snowzone5@...> 2004/07/09

On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:32:46 +0900, you wrote:

[#105836] Re: Secure Ruby Compiler — zuzu <sean.zuzu@...> 2004/07/09

On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 04:28:54 +0900, tony summerfelt

[#105454] Class#=== has interesting results — Charles Comstock <cc1@...>

Why does this happen?

20 messages 2004/07/07
[#105461] Re: Class#=== has interesting results — Mauricio Fern疣dez <batsman.geo@...> 2004/07/07

On Wed, Jul 07, 2004 at 04:22:36PM +0900, Charles Comstock wrote:

[#105510] Re: Class#=== has interesting results — Charles Comstock <cc1@...> 2004/07/07

Mauricio Fern疣dez wrote:

[#105560] ruby interpreter as mach kernel server (beside bsd) — zuzu <sean.zuzu@...>

ruby, starting the interactive ruby shell, but with filesystem access

21 messages 2004/07/08

[#105567] speeding ruby development — David Garamond <lists@...6.isreserved.com>

I personally would very much like Ruby development to be sped up. We

34 messages 2004/07/08

[#105597] While we're discussing 'ri'... — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

I have a confession. 'ri' has never worked for me, and I have never

17 messages 2004/07/08
[#105605] Re: While we're discussing 'ri'... — James Britt <jamesUNDERBARb@...> 2004/07/08

Hal Fulton wrote:

[#105651] Anomoly using pattern to remove superfluous final \, if present — "Richard Lionheart" <NoOne@...>

Hi All,

13 messages 2004/07/09

[#105660] Secure Database Systems — "Sarah Tanembaum" <sarahtanembaum@...>

I was wondering if it is possible to create a secure database system

13 messages 2004/07/09

[#105681] I love Ruby — Graham Nicholls <graham@...>

I had to say it! I teach for LearningTree, so was able to attend a perl

19 messages 2004/07/09

[#105687] Ruby-Syntax capable editors for OS X? — Michael Fivis <michael.fivis@...>

Hello, fellow OS X Ruby fans. I was wondering if there was any nice

12 messages 2004/07/09

[#105735] PickAxe 2 licensing — Dave Thomas <dave@...>

Folks:

65 messages 2004/07/09
[#105828] Re: PickAxe 2 licensing — ser@... (Sean Russell) 2004/07/09

Dave Thomas <dave@pragprog.com> wrote in message news:<DA50B6EA-D1B6-11D8-A508-000A95676A62@pragprog.com>...

[#105830] Re: PickAxe 2 licensing — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2004/07/09

[#105886] Re: PickAxe 2 licensing — zuzu <sean.zuzu@...> 2004/07/10

On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:43:23 +0900, Dave Thomas <dave@pragprog.com> wrote:

[#105911] Re: PickAxe 2 licensing — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2004/07/10

[#105929] Re: PickAxe 2 licensing — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/07/10

On Saturday 10 July 2004 10:21, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#105754] : RubyGems 0.7.0 Released — Jim Weirich <jim@...>

Hello all,

15 messages 2004/07/09

[#105788] My impressions about Ruby — "Sam Sungshik Kong" <ssk@...>

This post is kinda long and a personal opinion which is not meant for

12 messages 2004/07/09

[#105942] Business application building with Ruby — Alexey Verkhovsky <alex@...>

I am contemplating a project, and I have a question:

28 messages 2004/07/10
[#105950] Re: Business application building with Ruby — "Kirk Haines" <khaines@...> 2004/07/10

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 07:27:23 +0900, Alexey Verkhovsky wrote

[#105959] A little algorithmic help requested... — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

Here's a problem my tired brain is having trouble with.

23 messages 2004/07/11

[#106011] Net::SSH 0.0.3 — Jamis Buck <jgb3@...>

Net::SSH is a Ruby implementation of the SSH2 client protocol.

20 messages 2004/07/11

[#106022] SQLite-Ruby 1.3.0 — Jamis Buck <jgb3@...>

Looks like there were no problems found in the SQLite-Ruby release

15 messages 2004/07/11
[#106064] Re: [ANN] SQLite-Ruby 1.3.0 — Meino Christian Cramer <Meino.Cramer@...> 2004/07/12

From: Jamis Buck <jgb3@email.byu.edu>

[#106135] Re: [ANN] SQLite-Ruby 1.3.0 — Jamis Buck <jgb3@...> 2004/07/12

Meino Christian Cramer wrote:

[#106028] Ruby quickies and useful idioms — Sam Stephenson <sstephenson@...>

There's a few trivial but useful "extensions" to Ruby's standard

30 messages 2004/07/11

[#106052] Ruby Module Naming Convention vs Java Namespaces — Randy Lawrence <jm@...>

How do we manage namespaces in Ruby to avoid collisions with 3rd parties?

15 messages 2004/07/12

[#106215] Printing contents of a method — Nate Smith <nsmith5@...>

Hello all,

16 messages 2004/07/13
[#106221] Re: Printing contents of a method — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2004/07/13

[#106227] qtruby compilation error — Jochen Immendfer <jochen.i@...>

Hi,

20 messages 2004/07/13
[#106231] Re: qtruby compilation error — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2004/07/13

On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 01:40:23AM +0900, Jochen Immendfer wrote:

[#106233] Re: qtruby compilation error — Jochen Immendfer <jochen.i@...> 2004/07/13

Thank you two for answering.

[#106366] — Jesse van den Kieboom <troplosti@...>

Hi,

28 messages 2004/07/14
[#106371] — ts <decoux@...> 2004/07/14

>>>>> "J" == Jesse van den Kieboom <troplosti@orcaweb.cjb.net> writes:

[#106374] Re: No Subject — Jesse van den Kieboom <troplosti@...> 2004/07/14

On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 14:41, ts wrote:

[#106377] Re: No Subject — ts <decoux@...> 2004/07/14

>>>>> "J" == Jesse van den Kieboom <troplosti@orcaweb.cjb.net> writes:

[#106380] Re: No Subject — Jesse van den Kieboom <troplosti@...> 2004/07/14

Okay, I understand the idea now. Problem is that I register two global

[#106382] Re: No Subject — ts <decoux@...> 2004/07/14

>>>>> "J" == Jesse van den Kieboom <troplosti@orcaweb.cjb.net> writes:

[#106445] Newbie: Pointers for Ruby compatible DBase engine — xdblade@... (Xeon)

Hi,

13 messages 2004/07/14

[#106471] Free Ruby "Cookbook" (48.71% done) — Randy Lawrence <jm@...>

Anyone know if this is moving along or stalled?

12 messages 2004/07/15

[#106480] my ruby code won't go as fast as my perl code — "Dave Burt" <burtdav@...>

I realise I'm doing this a perlish way, but my question is, is it possible

12 messages 2004/07/15

[#106493] Writing games in Ruby? — winnocence@... (Innocence)

Hey

15 messages 2004/07/15

[#106512] Problem using Ruby as script language, which limits its distribution speed — "Christian Kaiser" <bchk@...>

I am (or was) a big fan of ruby (except some unexpected function names, but

12 messages 2004/07/15

[#106519] Hiding app.run in begin-rescue block: pros & cons? — "Richard Lionheart" <NoOne@...>

Hi All,

16 messages 2004/07/15

[#106530] scripting language (fwd) — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...>

28 messages 2004/07/15
[#106552] Re: scripting language (fwd) — Jamis Buck <jgb3@...> 2004/07/15

Ara.T.Howard wrote:

[#106546] Anyone tried Arachno Ruby? — "Robert Oschler" <no_replies@..._email_address.invalid>

I'm considering taking a look at Arachno Ruby but I'd like to hear from some

20 messages 2004/07/15
[#106687] Re: Anyone tried Arachno Ruby? — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...> 2004/07/16

Hello Keith,

[#106694] Re: Anyone tried Arachno Ruby? — Wirianto Djunaidi <wirianto.djunaidi@...> 2004/07/17

Saw this mentioned here, so I tried it out. Looks very need and the

[#106675] Dynamically replacing methods for efficiency — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

I have an idea here, but I'm afraid of crossing the line from

14 messages 2004/07/16

[#106735] : about class method — "Kurk Lord" <kurk_lord@...>

Hi all,

17 messages 2004/07/17

[#106819] Which compiled language is closest to Ruby? — Gully Foyle <nospam@...>

I am currently using C++ as my compiled language but fell in love with

37 messages 2004/07/19

[#106823] Ruby Specification — David Ross <drossruby@...>

Request. Can someone create a ruby specification? I

27 messages 2004/07/19
[#106845] Re: Ruby Specification — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...1.vip.ukl.yahoo.com> 2004/07/19

il Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:38:31 +0900, David Ross <drossruby@yahoo.com>

[#106837] Compiling Ruby code — Nospam <news.home.nl-1@...>

Hi,

29 messages 2004/07/19

[#106908] Onigurama — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...>

I've just started reading "Mastering Regular Expressions" because, while

32 messages 2004/07/19
[#107163] Re: [OT] FreeBSD <-> Debian — Michael Mueller <muellerix@...> 2004/07/22

> HI Michael,

[#106979] thread safe? — tony summerfelt <snowzone5@...>

i see that a number of modules are declared 'thread safe?'

16 messages 2004/07/20

[#106988] VB(ish) replacement — Dave Boland <NOSPAMdboland9@...>

The other day I was asked if there is an open source replacement for VB6

17 messages 2004/07/20

[#107001] openssl not getting built — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

I'm building the July 20 snapshot on Fedora 1.

15 messages 2004/07/20
[#107004] Re: openssl not getting built — Jamis Buck <jgb3@...> 2004/07/20

Hal Fulton wrote:

[#107051] sysread and buffered I/O — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

I've been playing with telnet (and ssh) and I've been

40 messages 2004/07/21
[#107052] Re: sysread and buffered I/O — Tanaka Akira <akr@...17n.org> 2004/07/21

In article <40FE101D.90603@hypermetrics.com>,

[#107053] Re: sysread and buffered I/O — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2004/07/21

Tanaka Akira wrote:

[#107054] Re: sysread and buffered I/O — Tanaka Akira <akr@...17n.org> 2004/07/21

In article <40FE1A4C.9080403@hypermetrics.com>,

[#107055] Re: sysread and buffered I/O — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2004/07/21

Tanaka Akira wrote:

[#107057] Re: sysread and buffered I/O — Tanaka Akira <akr@...17n.org> 2004/07/21

In article <40FE1F86.6030005@hypermetrics.com>,

[#107062] Re: sysread and buffered I/O — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...> 2004/07/21

On Wednesday, July 21, 2004, 6:22:19 PM, Tanaka wrote:

[#107065] Re: sysread and buffered I/O — Tanaka Akira <akr@...17n.org> 2004/07/21

In article <189-1205065002.20040721185353@soyabean.com.au>,

[#107118] Ruby Installer for Windows 1.8.2-14_RC5 (from Ruby 1.8.2 preview1) — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...>

Today Matz released the official preview1 for Ruby 1.8.2. This release

56 messages 2004/07/21
[#107162] Re: [ANN] Ruby Installer for Windows 1.8.2-14_RC5 (from Ruby 1.8.2 preview1) — David Espada <davinciSINSPAM@...> 2004/07/22

El mi駻coles 21 de julio, Curt Hibbs escribi鷓

[#107184] Re: [ANN] Ruby Installer for Windows 1.8.2-14_RC5 (from Ruby 1.8.2 preview1) — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2004/07/22

David Espada wrote:

[#107185] Re: [ANN] Ruby Installer for Windows 1.8.2-14_RC5 (from Ruby 1.8.2 preview1) — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...> 2004/07/22

Hello Curt,

[#107819] **RC6** Ruby Installer for Windows 1.8.2-14 — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2004/07/29

This release candidate of the Ruby Installer for Windows

[#107128] Re: substring by range parameter (bug?) — "D T" <email55555@...>

Correct to my previous conclusion.

12 messages 2004/07/21
[#107130] was - Re: substring by range parameter (bug?) — "Ara.T.Howard" <ahoward@...> 2004/07/21

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004, D T wrote:

[#107278] Active Record 0.9.0: Thread safety, speed, naturalness — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...>

What's new in Active Record 0.9.0?

15 messages 2004/07/23
[#107556] Re: [ANN] Active Record 0.9.0: Thread safety, speed, naturalness — Carl Youngblood <carl.youngblood@...> 2004/07/27

I'm still new to ActiveRecord, so forgive me if this is obvious, but

[#107580] Re: [ANN] Active Record 0.9.0: Thread safety, speed, naturalness — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...> 2004/07/27

On Tuesday, July 27, 2004, 8:59:26 PM, Carl wrote:

[#107583] Re: [ANN] Active Record 0.9.0: Thread safety, speed, naturalness — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...> 2004/07/27

> I'm pretty confident that David would ensure ActiveRecord works just

[#107621] Re: [ANN] Active Record 0.9.0: Thread safety, speed, naturalness — Carl Youngblood <carl.youngblood@...> 2004/07/27

This stuff should probably be documented better, since it is not very

[#107627] Re: [ANN] Active Record 0.9.0: Thread safety, speed, naturalness — David Morton <mortonda@...> 2004/07/27

Carl Youngblood wrote:

[#107370] Rails 0.5.0: The end of vaporware! — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...>

I致e been talking (and hyping) Rails for so long that it痴 all wierd to

22 messages 2004/07/24
[#107404] Re: [ANN] Rails 0.5.0: The end of vaporware! — Andreas Schwarz <usenet@...> 2004/07/25

David Heinemeier Hansson wrote:

[#107405] Re: [ANN] Rails 0.5.0: The end of vaporware! — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...> 2004/07/25

> The 10 minute video is really impressive. But after browsing through

[#107407] Re: [ANN] Rails 0.5.0: The end of vaporware! — Andreas Schwarz <usenet@...> 2004/07/25

David Heinemeier Hansson wrote:

[#107409] Re: [ANN] Rails 0.5.0: The end of vaporware! — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...> 2004/07/25

>>> The 10 minute video is really impressive. But after browsing through

[#107410] Re: [ANN] Rails 0.5.0: The end of vaporware! — Andreas Schwarz <usenet@...> 2004/07/25

David Heinemeier Hansson wrote:

[#107387] rubyonrails and cgikit comparison — Gully Foyle <nospam@...>

There seems to be a lot of excitement about rubyonrails even before the

50 messages 2004/07/25
[#107397] Re: rubyonrails and cgikit comparison — Bauduin Raphael <rb@...> 2004/07/25

Gully Foyle wrote:

[#107448] Re: rubyonrails and cgikit comparison — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...1.vip.ukl.yahoo.com> 2004/07/25

il Mon, 26 Jul 2004 03:48:30 +0900, Florian Weber

[#107485] Re: rubyonrails and cgikit comparison — Florian Weber <csshsh@...> 2004/07/26

> He's saying that he does not want to have 'foo' referencing something

[#107490] Re: rubyonrails and cgikit comparison — Raphael Bauduin <raphael.bauduin@...> 2004/07/26

Florian Weber wrote:

[#107495] Re: rubyonrails and cgikit comparison — Florian Weber <csshsh@...> 2004/07/26

[#107555] Why's (Poignant) Guide to Ruby: Expansion Pak I: The Tiger's Vest (with a Basic Introduction to Irb) — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...>

Yes, I've been taking forever. Well, what can I say? Answering threats

27 messages 2004/07/27
[#107661] Re: [ANN] Why's (Poignant) Guide to Ruby: Expansion Pak I: The Tiger's Vest (with a Basic Introduction to Irb) — Raphael Bauduin <raphael.bauduin@...> 2004/07/28

why the lucky stiff wrote:

[#107662] Re: [ANN] Why's (Poignant) Guide to Ruby: Expansion Pak I: The Tiger's Vest (with a Basic Introduction to Irb) — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2004/07/28

Raphael Bauduin wrote:

[#107675] Re: [ANN] Why's (Poignant) Guide to Ruby: Expansion Pak I: The Tiger's Vest (with a Basic Introduction to Irb) — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...> 2004/07/28

Curt Hibbs wrote:

[#107681] Re: [ANN] Why's (Poignant) Guide to Ruby: Expansion Pak I: The Tiger's Vest (with a Basic Introduction to Irb) — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2004/07/28

why the lucky stiff wrote:

[#107594] DBI: connecting 'local' database — Ralf Mler <r_mueller@...>

Hi,

13 messages 2004/07/27
[#107595] Re: DBI: connecting 'local' database — Michael Neumann <mneumann@...> 2004/07/27

Ralf Mler wrote:

[#107715] Stupid ODBC! — Lennon Day-Reynolds <rcoder@...>

So, in response to David's call for contributions of adapters for

33 messages 2004/07/28
[#107738] Re: Stupid ODBC! — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/07/29

On Wednesday 28 July 2004 15:04, Lennon Day-Reynolds wrote:

[#107741] Re: Stupid ODBC! — Lennon Day-Reynolds <rcoder@...> 2004/07/29

Sean,

[#107740] Rails 0.5.5: Windows, WEBrick, lots! — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...>

What's new in Rails 0.5.5?

10 messages 2004/07/29

[#107832] C ext: GC claiming objects early — Tilman Sauerbeck <tilman@...>

Hi,

17 messages 2004/07/29
[#107885] Re: C ext: GC claiming objects early — ts <decoux@...> 2004/07/30

>>>>> "T" == Tilman Sauerbeck <tilman@code-monkey.de> writes:

[#107906] Forward references? — Lloyd Zusman <ljz@...>

Is there a way to define forward references to functions? Due to my own

27 messages 2004/07/30

[#107916] AllInOneRuby — "Erik Veenstra" <pan@...>

I'm pleased to announce the birth of AllInOneRuby.

15 messages 2004/07/30

[#107984] Free(real Free) GUI toolkits — David Ross <drossruby@...>

Has anyone tried using the WideStudio libraries with

82 messages 2004/07/31
[#107985] Re: Free(real Free) GUI toolkits — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2004/07/31

David Ross wrote:

[#107986] Re: Free(real Free) GUI toolkits — David Ross <drossruby@...> 2004/07/31

> I haven't tried this (or even heard of it before),

[#107989] Re: Free(real Free) GUI toolkits — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...> 2004/07/31

Hello David,

[#107990] Re: Free(real Free) GUI toolkits — David Ross <drossruby@...> 2004/08/01

> I hate myself for asking this question:

[#107991] Re: Free(real Free) GUI toolkits — David Ross <drossruby@...> 2004/08/01

Oh a correction, by binary, I meant statically linked

[#107994] Re: Free(real Free) GUI toolkits — David Ross <drossruby@...> 2004/08/01

Hmm.. does anyone have a MacOSX computer they can try

[#108000] Re: Free(real Free) GUI toolkits — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...> 2004/08/01

Hello David,

[#108008] Re: Free(real Free) GUI toolkits — David Ross <drossruby@...> 2004/08/01

"Truth is important, knock down the trolls on thier

[#108017] Re: Free(real Free) GUI toolkits — Rando Christensen <eyez@...> 2004/08/01

David Ross wrote:

[#108657] Re: Free(real Free) GUI toolkits — Florian Gross <flgr@...> 2004/08/09

David Ross wrote:

[#108660] Re: Free(real Free) GUI toolkits — David Ross <drossruby@...> 2004/08/09

>> And i must say i don't understand your attitude,

[#108690] Re: Free(real Free) GUI toolkits — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...> 2004/08/09

Hello David,

[#108752] Re: Free(real Free) GUI toolkits — David Ross <drossruby@...> 2004/08/10

>

[#108816] Re: Free(real Free) GUI toolkits — Carl Youngblood <carl.youngblood@...> 2004/08/10

It's amazing to see how much one bad apple can spoil the barrel.

[#108818] Re: Free(real Free) GUI toolkits — David Ross <drossruby@...> 2004/08/10

> It's amazing to see how much one bad apple can spoil

[#108634] Re: Free(real Free) GUI toolkits — Reinder Verlinde <reinder@...> 2004/08/08

In article <410CAD5B.8030405@illuzionz.org>,

Re: Copland an IOC Containers in Real Use

From: Jamis Buck <jgb3@...>
Date: 2004-07-05 04:43:03 UTC
List: ruby-talk #105251
Carsten Eckelmann wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> every so often I go and read the wonderful stuff, that Jamis has put 
> together for copland (http://copland.rubyforge.org). Everything makes 
> sense to me so far and the examples are simple enough to follow how it 
> works.

I'm so glad to hear that the documentation is readable. :)

> Still I just don't get it. I still can't grasp what it is that I get, 
> when I use copland. So my question to you, fellow rubyists: Is someone 
> out there actually using it for a real world project? Would care and 
> enlighten me why you chose copland and how it improves your project?

This is a common complaint that I hear about IoC containers in general, 
and Copland specifically. Especially in Ruby. Given Ruby's dynamic 
nature, I will confess that an IoC container does not buy you as much 
functionality as in a language like, say, Java. However, I have found 
that for large projects, Copland *can* make life easier. I'll say it 
again: *for large projects, Copland can make life easier.* Copland will 
buy you very little for small projects, and can in fact overcomplicate 
things if the project is of insufficient scope.

One more caveat before I launch into my use case: everything I use 
Copland for, can *definately* be done in another way in Ruby. I just 
know I'm going to get someone saying "but you can do that in Ruby by 
doing X, instead of using Copland!" 'Tis true. However, Copland brings 
together lots of interesting features in one place, and implements them 
for you. Why not take advantage of an existing project, instead of 
reinventing the wheel? :)

So, on to my use-case:

I'm (off-and-on) working on a personal finance manager, written in Ruby, 
using ActiveRecord for the OR mapping and some to-be-determined 
WEBrick-based front-end. This is one of the larger-scale apps I've 
implemented (by myself--for work I fry much larger fish, but on a team). 
For me, in this app, Copland fills the following niches:

1) Debugging. By using logging interceptors, Copland will automatically 
log whenever a method of a service is invoked, what it returned, and 
whether it threw an exception or not. This removes a lot of boilerplate 
code from my app. What is more, the interceptors are "attached" to 
services via configuration files, which means I can easily remove them 
(or reattach them) without the possibility of accidentally deleting 
crucial LOC. :) I've done it before... it hurts.

2) Delayed Instantiation. This is of dubious usefulness. I like it, 
others may not. What it means is, a service is not instantiated until a 
method is actually invoked on it. For services that are expensive to 
instantiate, this can save some cycles, especially if the service your 
request may not actually be used for some paths through your code. (I 
should note: the delayed instantiation feature is configurable. You can 
define services in such a way that they will always be instantiated 
immediately, if you prefer.)

3) Dependency Injection. By putting most of my functionality in various 
Copland services, I no longer have to explicitly instantiate 
dependencies between these services in code. Instead, I just specify the 
dependencies in the configuration files, and Copland "magically" 
determines the dependencies at instantiation time. It will instantiate 
dependant services, assign properties, etc, etc, all behind the 
curtains. This may make some people nervous, but it cleans up your code 
a lot more than you'd think. And clean code, is maintainable code.

Let me elaborate on #3 a bit more, since that's the one that took me the 
longest to grasp. Specifically, take the "Server" service in my PFM. It 
is simply a WEBrick server instance. In my configuration file, I specify 
that when the service is instantiated, it should be magically "hooked 
up" to a "Servlet" service. (The servlet is the WEBrick servlet that 
implements the front-end for the app.) The servlet service, in turn, may 
depend on other services, such as a "template" service for parsing and 
rendering templated data.

Copland, in this case, would process the dependency graph, and determine 
that it needs to first instantiate the "template" service, followed by 
the "servlet" service. Then it would assign the "template" service to 
some property of the servlet (as defined in the configuration file), or 
perhaps pass the template service as a parameter to the servlet's 
constructor. Once the servlet has been instantiated, Copland will 
instantiate the server.

When delayed instantiation is thrown into the mix, this becomes a bit 
muddier, since (for instance) the template service will not actually be 
instantiated until the servlet service tries to render a template...and 
the servlet service may not actually be instantiated until the server 
service tries to pass a request to it... But from the developer's 
perspective, it really doesn't matter (usually) when a service is 
instantiated, so long as it is instantiated in time to do what it is 
asked to do. And Copland makes sure that all happens.

> 
> Yes and thanks to Jamis for making such a nice Product even if it's way 
> over my head :)

You're welcome. :) Thanks for asking the question: the fact that it 
needed to be asked just shows that there remain some pretty significant 
holes in my documentation. *sigh* ;)

-- 
Jamis Buck
jgb3@email.byu.edu
http://www.jamisbuck.org/jamis

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