From: Michael Campbell <michael.campbell@...>
Date: 2004-07-02T20:37:06+09:00
Subject: Re: My Current Ruby Concern

Take a look also at "Groovy".  Much more ruby-ish. 
(http://groovy.codehaus.org/)

On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:27:09 +0900, Nicholas Van Weerdenburg
<nick@activehitconsulting.com> wrote:
> 
> I get the impression that the J2EE world is starting to go ballastic
> over Jython. JRuby gets some mention, but not that much, and I get the
> impression that the long term prospects of JRuby are a bit mixed. For
> this reason, I felt compelled to learn some Jython so I could use a
> modern language in my day-to-day J2EE work.
> 
> Unfortunatly, I really can't stand using Python. The selfs, method
> __protection__ mechanism, and lack of expression-orientation (unlike
> Lisp and Ruby) make me weep. I'm still plinking at it here and there,
> giving it a chance, but my mindset is not improving, and I'm starting to
> think Python claims of readability are only relative to Perl- I find
> Java/C/C++ easier to read. But that's really irrelevant to this point,
> outside of my personal motivation for looking at JRuby more seriously.
> 
> So now  I'm trying to use JRuby, and it's much better then I expected.
> However, I'm still concerned about:
>  1. it's robustness and how it impacts my chosing to use it, and
>  2. it's impact on Ruby longterm due to prevalence of Jython.  I get the
> impression that Jython is becoming almost the defacto J2EE scripting
> language, with Groovy possibly taking off when it's more mature (is it
> just me, or does Groovy look a lot like a Ruby clone with a bit of Java
> baggage left in for more seamless interoperability?).  Where Jython has
> followed Python into general usage, that could change with Jython being
> the reason people use Python.
> 
> Not sure what point is...I guess I'm looking for some
> experiences/ideas/feedback. I think dynamic JVM langauges are going to
> become an essential part of enterprise Java, and I'm hoping I don't have
> to use Jython on my next job. Those underscores and selfs- how can
> anyone stand it? And the lack of expression-kindness.
> 
> Thanks,
> Nick
> 
>