From: Raphael Bauduin <rb@...>
Date: 2004-07-26T21:16:51+09:00
Subject: Re: rubyonrails and cgikit comparison

Florian Weber wrote:
> 
> On Jul 26, 2004, at 12:56 Uhr, Raphael Bauduin wrote:
> 
>> Florian Weber wrote:
>>
>>>> He's saying that he does not want to have 'foo' referencing something
>>>> real (i.e. the parameters passed to the page) cause that adds coupling
>>>> beetween the view logic and the business logic.
>>>
>>> i guess it all depends on what you prefer. the business data and the
>>> view will always be coupled more or less. if you like the abstraction
>>> of having some mediator/binding/etc or wanna do it directly..
>>> the question is though: if the person who does the templates is the
>>> same person who does the rest of the (ruby) coding, what do you gain
>>> by the indirection of bindings/etc?
>>
>>
>> When I work with a designer, I design a _very_ basic template, and let 
>> the designer do the layout and all the work on the template. And the 
>> designer doesn't have to deal with values coming from my code, he 
>> doesn't care, and shouldn't.
>> So whatever I code, I won't break his layout. And whatever he does on 
>> the template, he won't break the code. Very reassuring in both ways!
> 
> 
> 
> but what for example if the attribute of a item in a repitition gets 
> renamed.
> for example you decide replace the single 'address' attribute in your
> ruby object to 'address1' and 'address2'. you will most likely also change
> your binding file to represent those changes.. then the designer will also
> have to change the template file..

The designer is there for that I guess.
I tell him, "hey, the structure of the address has changed. Replace the cgikit
address by 2 tags address1 and address2. Those are just strings". And he know he just has to add 
<cgikit name="address1"/> and <cgikit name="address1"/> where he sees fit.
Again, he doesn't care of the name of my variable eg.

> 
> but like i said, what do you gain by the indirection if the ruby and the
> html programmer are the same person?

I guess it's a question of preference, I find it a bit cleaner.
But do you mean you expect every ruby coder to master HTML like a web designer?

Let me return the question: don't you think there a gain if the 
ruby and html coders are different persons? (One gain being that none can break the
other part's work, like mentioned in my previous mail)




Raph