From: Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>
Date: 2004-08-02T13:51:31+09:00
Subject: Re: Free(real Free) GUI toolkits

It's not a competing product though.  An IDE (a GUI program) is a very
different thing from a GUI framework.

Still, a link to his product in a .sig is not going to do anyone any harm.
 Nor will some better judgement from those who hand out troll awards so
freely.

Gavin


> Lothar,
>
> Maybe you should put a disclaimer stating that you are selling a
> competing product at the top of messages criticizing free software in
> the same category as your product.  I'm not accusing you of bias or
> anything, I just believe it's better to let people know about any
> conflicts of interest so they don't get the wrong impression when they
> find out later.  They might misunderstand your good intentions to keep
> us informed and decide not to buy from you...
>
> Lothar Scholz wrote:
>
>> [SNIP]
>  > And there is no theming to change this, looking at the
>> code shows me that there will be no theming for a very long time
>> because the drawing code is deeply buried in the source files.
>>
>
> Under the "Options" menu, there's a "Look and Feel" submenu that brings
> up:   standard1, standard2, modern1, modern2, classic1, classic2
>
>  > [SNIP]
>  > So i think it is good that this is a dead project. Don't waste your
> time to try to work with this toolkit.
>
> Why do you think it is a dead project?  Saying it is dead, doesn't make
> it so.
>
> The latest release is 3.80-3 which was released July 25, 2004.  Here's
> the last dozen entries from the release history.
>
> # 25/07/2004 Released WideStudio(v3.80-3)
> # 13/07/2004 Released WideStudio(v3.80-2)
> # 01/07/2004 Released WideStudio(v3.80-1)
> # 03/06/2004 Released WideStudio(v3.70-10)
> # 02/06/2004 Released WideStudio(v3.70-9)
> # 18/05/2004 Released WideStudio(v3.70-8)
> # 21/03/2004 Released WideStudio(v3.70-7)
> # 29/02/2004 Released WideStudio(v3.70-6)
> # 21/02/2004 Released WideStudio(v3.70-5)
> # 20/02/2004 Released WideStudio(v3.70-4)
> # 22/01/2004 Released WideStudio(v3.70-3)
> # 13/12/2002 Released WideStudio(v3.20-1)
>
> Here are my impressions about Wise Studio 3.80.
>
> There are many widgets and many options for each widget.  You can move
> and resize widgets using the mouse and watch their properties update in
> real-time while doing so.  Not too shabby for a free IDE that supports
> c/c++, perl, and ruby.
>
> The main complaint I have is the size of executables when linking
> statically.  A hello world window application statically linked was
> 2.7MB while the dynamically linked was only around 100KB (but requires
> widestudio runtime DLLs).  This was using the included GCC/MinGW32 c++
> compiler.
>
> I haven't tried yet but maybe using the free Optimizing c++ compiler
> from Microsoft will produce smaller executables (VC++ Toolkit 2003
> v1.01).
>
> There's an option to store GUI components in files for loading/use at
> runtime (as opposed to keeping them inside executables) but I haven't
> explored that yet.
>
> I'd love to see something like this for Fox Toolkit.