From: David Ross <drossruby@...>
Date: 2004-08-04T13:58:31+09:00
Subject: Re: Free(real Free) GUI toolkits

That is a really nice comparison chart. One question
though, What about the widgets that each has that FOX
doesnt? There are more Widgets than just those.
:P(*hehe) --David

--- Sander Jansen <sander@knology.net> wrote:

> Not impressed either.... BUT since I had nothing to
> do, I added to my GUI 
> widget comparison page at the FOX Community wiki
> page.  Feel free to add or 
> fix any entry's.
> 
>
http://fox-toolkit.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Widget_Comparison
> 
> 	Sander
> 
> On Sunday 01 August 2004 07:28 am, Lothar Scholz
> wrote:
> > Hello David,
> >
> > DR> Hmm.. does anyone have a MacOSX computer they
> can try
> > DR> out WideStudio on? I am curious to see if it
> is
> > DR> portable to the mac.
> >
> > DR> WideStudio has plenty of widgets btw. I just
> didn't
> > DR> play enough with the wsbuilder.
> >
> > Okay i downloaded the 100 MB Win Installer and
> played a bit with
> > wsbuilder. I must say that this toolkit can win
> the second price in
> > the most ugly toolkit competition (the first is
> for the all time
> > winner FLTK). And there is no theming to change
> this, looking at the
> > code shows me that there will be no theming for a
> very long time
> > because the drawing code is deeply buried in the
> source files.
> >
> > I'm sure that the toolkit is more flexible, just
> because it uses a
> > TK like approach of managing/accessing attributes
> by string names. Maybe
> > not bad but quite different. The event procedures
> that simple
> > functions. So writting C++ code would require
> extra overhead, but it
> > is okay for different language bindings.
> >
> > The documentation seems not be on the state of a
> 3.1 release. It
> > describes methods but not which properties are
> available. There seems
> > to be also no real tutorial for starters.  I must
> say that i don't
> > like FAQ like tutorials, that have a lot of "How
> to " titles but no
> > integrated 10 min learn the basics code.
> >
> > From the technical point i don't like that the lib
> has no layout
> > mangement (only Delphi like anchors), a very bad
> option for everybody
> > who wants to do L10N. The implemented widgets are
> very very basic.
> > As a toolkit written in Japan there are of course
> unicode/MBCS (?)
> > handling routines. From the widget design it seems
> to be much much
> > harder to write or adapt widgets as it is in
> FOX/QT. I just looked at
> > the "WSClist.cpp" source code to find a place
> where i can overwrite
> > the item draw method to use my own custom draw
> hook. It's not
> > possible. But looking at the source code, hey man
> that code is ugly and
> > completely comment free. Other things, radio+check
> buttons must always
> > be grouped, so there seems to be also no good
> separation for
> > layout/logic in the toolkit.
> >
> > So i think it is good that this is a dead project.
> Don't waste your
> > time to try to work with this toolkit. After
> working about 8 years
> > with writting GUI's i can tell you that the afford
> you need to bring
> > this upto date (compared to GTK/QT/FOX) is too
> expensive and i really
> > doubt that you will find so much programmers
> helping you.
> >
> > Oh yes i forgot, the WxBuilder - the GUI builder -
> is nothing where
> > anybody want's to write larger dialogs.
> 
> -- 
> "Nervous hands grip tight the knife
> In the darkness, till the cake is cut"
> 	- Peter Gabriel
> 
> 
> 



		
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