[#11822] RCR: Input XML support in the base Ruby — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

15 messages 2001/03/01

[#11960] Not Ruby, for me, for the moment at least — "Michael Kreuzer" <mkreuzer@... (nospam)>

I wrote on this newsgroup last weekend about how I was considering using

11 messages 2001/03/04

[#12023] French RUG ? — "Jerome" <jeromg@...>

Hi fellow rubyers,

16 messages 2001/03/05

[#12103] disassembling and reassembling a hash — raja@... (Raja S.)

Given a hash, h1, will the following always hold?

20 messages 2001/03/06

[#12204] FEATURE REQUEST: 'my' local variables — Leo Razoumov <see_signature@127.0.0.1>

Ruby is, indeed, a very well designed language.

64 messages 2001/03/07
[#12250] Re: FEATURE REQUEST: 'my' local variables — Leo Razoumov <see_signature@127.0.0.1> 2001/03/07

>>>>> "GK" == GOTO Kentaro <gotoken@math.sci.hokudai.ac.jp> writes:

[#12284] Re: FEATURE REQUEST: 'my' local variables — gotoken@... (GOTO Kentaro) 2001/03/08

In message "[ruby-talk:12250] Re: FEATURE REQUEST: 'my' local variables"

[#12289] Re: FEATURE REQUEST: 'my' local variables — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2001/03/08

Hi,

[#12452] Re: FEATURE REQUEST: 'my' local variables — gotoken@... (GOTO Kentaro) 2001/03/12

In message "[ruby-talk:12289] Re: FEATURE REQUEST: 'my' local variables"

[#12553] Re: FEATURE REQUEST: 'my' local variables — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2001/03/13

matz@zetabits.com (Yukihiro Matsumoto) writes:

[#12329] Math package — Mathieu Bouchard <matju@...>

18 messages 2001/03/09

[#12330] Haskell goodies, RCR and challenge — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>

Hi,

19 messages 2001/03/09
[#12374] Re: Haskell goodies, RCR and challenge — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2001/03/10

Hi,

[#12349] Can Ruby-GTK display Gif Png or Jpeg files? — Phlip <phlip_cpp@...>

Ruby-san:

20 messages 2001/03/09

[#12444] class variables — Max Ischenko <max@...>

14 messages 2001/03/12

[#12606] Order, chaos, and change requests :) — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

17 messages 2001/03/14

[#12635] email address regexp — "David Fung" <dfung@...>

i would like to locate probable email addresses in a bunch of text files,

12 messages 2001/03/14

[#12646] police warns you -- Perl is dangerous!! — Leo Razoumov <see_signature@127.0.0.1>

I just read this story on Slashdot

14 messages 2001/03/14
[#12651] Re: police warns you -- Perl is dangerous!! — pete@... (Pete Kernan) 2001/03/14

On 14 Mar 2001 11:46:35 -0800, Leo Razoumov <see_signature@127.0.0.1> wrote:

[#12691] Re: police warns you -- Perl is dangerous!! — "W. Kent Starr" <elderburn@...> 2001/03/15

On Wednesday 14 March 2001 15:40, Pete Kernan wrote:

[#12709] [OFFTOPIC] Re: police warns you -- Perl is dangerous!! — Stephen White <spwhite@...> 2001/03/16

On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, W. Kent Starr wrote:

[#12655] Re: FEATURE REQUEST: 'my' local variables — "Benjamin J. Tilly" <ben_tilly@...>

>===== Original Message From Leo Razoumov <see_signature@127.0.0.1> =====

18 messages 2001/03/14

[#12706] Library packaging — "Nathaniel Talbott" <ntalbott@...>

I have a project that I'm working on that needs to live two different lives,

30 messages 2001/03/16

[#12840] Looking for a decent compression scheme — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

14 messages 2001/03/19

[#12895] differences between range and array — "Doug Edmunds" <dae_alt3@...>

This code comes from the online code examples for

16 messages 2001/03/20
[#12896] Re: differences between range and array — "Hee-Sob Park" <phasis@...> 2001/03/20

[#12899] Re: differences between range and array — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2001/03/20

On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Hee-Sob Park wrote:

[#12960] TextBox ListBox — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>

Attached is a little Spike that Chet and I are doing. It is a

13 messages 2001/03/20

[#12991] [ANN] Lapidary 0.2.0 — "Nathaniel Talbott" <ntalbott@...>

Well, here's my first major contribution to the Ruby world: Lapidary. It's a

16 messages 2001/03/20

[#13028] mkmf question — Luigi Ballabio <luigi.ballabio@...>

15 messages 2001/03/21

[#13185] Reading a file backwards — "Daniel Berger" <djberg96@...>

Hi all,

21 messages 2001/03/25
[#13197] Re: Reading a file backwards — "Daniel Berger" <djberg96@...> 2001/03/25

> Hi Dan,

[#13203] Re: Reading a file backwards — Mathieu Bouchard <matju@...> 2001/03/25

On Sun, 25 Mar 2001, Daniel Berger wrote:

[#13210] Re: Reading a file backwards — "Daniel Berger" <djberg96@...> 2001/03/25

"Mathieu Bouchard" <matju@sympatico.ca> wrote in message

[#13374] Passing an array to `exec'? — Lloyd Zusman <ljz@...>

I'd like to do the following:

15 messages 2001/03/31

[#13397] Multidimensional arrays and hashes? — Lloyd Zusman <ljz@...>

Is it possible in ruby to make use of constructs that correspond to

14 messages 2001/03/31

[ruby-talk:12260] Feature requests will be the death of Ruby

From: Eric Sven Ristad <ristad@...>
Date: 2001-03-08 04:40:44 UTC
List: ruby-talk #12260
Recent postings have raised the issue of local variables in Ruby and
some posters have urged that Ruby be extended so that local variables
can shadow each other, ideally with a Perl-style "my" declaration.

1. No good programmer would ever shadow their own local variables.
   It is extremely dangerous, provides no benefit, and dramatically
   increases programmer confusion and concomitant the risk of bugs.

2. The lisp/scheme (LET () ...) statement is _nothing_ like the perl
   MY declaration.  LET is used to define local variables and
   establish their scope; it is the only way to create local
   variables other than declaring them as formals to lambda.
   No skilled lisp programmer would ever use embedded LET to shadow
   their own local variables.  In fact, such use of LET would be a
   clear indicator that the programmer had no idea what they were
   doing and their code could not be trusted.  MY is a sad workaround
   slapped onto a grotesque programming language after the designers
   gradually came to understand that their language was an ungodly
   mess, that programs written in their language were a nest of bugs,
   and they really had no idea what they were doing after all.

3. Ruby has a very clean mechanism for local variables, that is, a
   naming convention that clearly identifies the scope of variables,
   and policy that the first use of a name declares the variable and
   its scope.  The Ruby mechanism is very much like a lazy man's LET
   statement, which is okay in a scripting/prototyping language.  Any
   change to this mechanism will provide no material benefit to the
   programmer, will needlessly increase the complexity of the
   language, and will dramatically increase the chance that novice
   programmers will inadvertently confuse and harm themselves.

On a more general point, I think that Ruby already has enough
syntactic sugar and lazy programmer's conventions.  (Enough with the
repeated call for the nugatory @name initialization conventions!)
I could even argue that Ruby has gone too far in that direction [see
below].  Adding more such devices will only increase the chance that
Ruby ends up being either yet another programming language theorist's
playground or (even worse) yet another unholy hacker's mess like Perl.

Eric

[[As others have noted, Ruby's multiple assignment conventions are
baroque and provide no material benefit to the programmer.  What is
the benefit of writing "a, b = x, y" when you can just as well write
"a = x; b = y"?  The risk of mismatching arguments in yield and return
statements is quite high, and will lead to needless bugs in otherwise
reasonable code.  The language would be both cleaner and much safer if
multiple assignment was eliminated and arity was strictly enforced.]]

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