[#57185] Cipher book for ruby — Shannon Fang <xrfang@...>

Hi all ruby gurus there,

16 messages 2002/12/01

[#57228] What do some of Ruby's symbols mean? — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...>

This could do with some community input before going to the FAQ. The format

31 messages 2002/12/01
[#57234] Re: [FAQ] What do some of Ruby's symbols mean? — dblack@... 2002/12/01

Hi --

[#57237] Re: [FAQ] What do some of Ruby's symbols mean? — Shannon Fang <xrfang@...> 2002/12/01

Hi David

[#57246] [Revised] What do some of Ruby's symbols mean? — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...>

Thanks for the instant feedback. And apologies for the offensive late-night

11 messages 2002/12/01

[#57337] Memory consumption problem with recursion — squidster@... (Squidster)

Fellow Rubyists/Rubyians/Rubyans,

10 messages 2002/12/02

[#57349] [Revised again] What are the non-alphanumerical symbols in Ruby code? — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...>

Folks,

13 messages 2002/12/02

[#57380] Ruby Book for People Who Aren't (Yet) Programmers — "Chris" <nemo@...>

Hello,

11 messages 2002/12/02

[#57403] Newsgroup — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>

Hello,

28 messages 2002/12/02
[#57409] Re: Newsgroup — "Chris Morris" <chrismo@...> 2002/12/02

In addition, this mailing list is a mirror of the newsgroup, so there's no

[#57411] Re: Newsgroup — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...> 2002/12/02

Ruby Book for People Who Aren't (Yet) Programmers

[#57412] Re: Newsgroup — Mauricio Fern疣dez <batsman.geo@...> 2002/12/02

On Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 04:50:10AM +0900, Daniel Carrera wrote:

[#57438] Re: Newsgroup — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...> 2002/12/03

> You might already have received it by now. Get used to receiving the

[#57439] Re: Newsgroup — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2002/12/03

[#57440] Re: Ruby Book for People Who Aren't (Yet) Programmers — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...> 2002/12/03

> I heard a little while back that there might be a Ruby book in the works for

[#57480] Re: Ruby Book for People Who Aren't (Yet) Programmers — Martin DeMello <martindemello@...> 2002/12/03

Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@math.umd.edu> wrote:

[#57598] Class variables problem — Peter Hickman <peter@...>

I have used

16 messages 2002/12/04

[#57694] Re: Ruby Book for People Who Aren't (Yet) Programmers — "Bill Kelly" <billk@...>

Hi,

13 messages 2002/12/05

[#57735] Re: elseif? — "Shannon Fang" <xrfang@...>

How about a vote? I vote to add elseif as an alternative... Least

20 messages 2002/12/05

[#57816] ratlast 0.1 -- embedded FORTH in Ruby — Mark Probert <probertm@...>

18 messages 2002/12/05

[#57826] Re: elseif? — "Ted" <ted@...>

Yuk! Ruby was presented to me as a 'clean' language.

38 messages 2002/12/05

[#57833] on error resume next — Shannon Fang <xrfang@...>

Hi,

22 messages 2002/12/05

[#57856] Buffered output on Windows — "Chris Pine" <nemo@...>

Quick question:

26 messages 2002/12/05

[#58093] Thank God for backups — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>

I was working on the tutorial just now and wanted to delete all the *~

48 messages 2002/12/07
[#58096] Re: Thank God for backups — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2002/12/07

From: "Daniel Carrera" <dcarrera@math.umd.edu>

[#58188] The Ruby Way — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>

What do people think of "The Ruby Way"?

18 messages 2002/12/08

[#58394] Ruby BUG when using PStore and fork — Jeremy Henty <jeremy@...>

PStore does not appear to play well with fork. This script

20 messages 2002/12/09

[#58438] warnings -w — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>

Hello,

20 messages 2002/12/10
[#58439] Re: warnings -w — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/12/10

Hi,

[#58441] Re: warnings -w — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...> 2002/12/10

> It sets $VERBOSE to true, and gives you extra warnings on parsing.

[#58444] Re: warnings -w — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/12/10

[#58446] Re: warnings -w — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...> 2002/12/10

> |Thanks. Can you give me an example of a parsing warning that it would

[#58447] Re: warnings -w — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/12/10

Hi,

[#58473] Problems transporting nil values using XMLRPC (net/http ?) — Martin Hart <martin@...>

12 messages 2002/12/10

[#58479] Pymacs in ruby? — "Mike Campbell" <michael_s_campbell@...>

This is probably way, way OT, but has anyone considered something along the

15 messages 2002/12/10

[#58597] calling a perl script — max <max@...>

hi

17 messages 2002/12/11

[#58657] functional programming "style" — "zesar" <i_wont@...>

i discovered ruby some weeks ago and i have to say now that i'm through with

13 messages 2002/12/11

[#58662] Re: The coolest thing since sliced bread — "Garriss, Michael" <Michael.Garriss@...>

Ugh! Free write forces users into a new editor? I'm lost without Vim.

21 messages 2002/12/11

[#58677] help -- persuade my boss to adopt ruby — Shannon Fang <xrfang@...>

Hi Ruby Lovers,

18 messages 2002/12/11

[#58689] Re: [ANN] jabber4r 0.3.0 (doesn't work with raa-install) — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

15 messages 2002/12/11
[#58751] Re: [ANN] jabber4r 0.3.0 (doesn't work with raa-install) — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson) 2002/12/12

In article <20021211171825.GA2345@localhost.localdomain>,

[#58724] Problem loading extensions in OSX 10.2.2 — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

12 messages 2002/12/12

[#58730] Re: do I really not understand inheritance?? — "Chris Pine" <nemo@...>

AHA!!!

22 messages 2002/12/12
[#58769] Re: do I really not understand inheritance?? — dblack@... 2002/12/12

Hi --

[#58785] Re: do I really not understand inheritance?? — "Chris Pine" <nemo@...> 2002/12/12

Hmm.... I see what you're saying, I think. I was going to give you a

[#58819] Re: do I really not understand inheritance?? — dblack@... 2002/12/12

Hi --

[#58738] Re: help -- persuade my boss to adopt ruby — "Ted" <ted@...>

Dang! Ugly American idioms...

15 messages 2002/12/12
[#58742] Re: help -- persuade my boss to adopt ruby — "Russ Freeman" <russ@...> 2002/12/12

My advice:

[#58804] Re: help -- persuade my boss to adopt ruby — "Shannon Fang" <xrfang@...>

>it's the MATZ'S position that Ruby will never be REAL WORLD language.

102 messages 2002/12/12
[#59295] Re: help -- persuade my boss to adopt ruby — "Rich" <rich@...> 2002/12/17

The problem lies in the fact that these statements are equal:

[#59325] Re: help -- persuade my boss to adopt ruby — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/12/17

On Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:49:47 +0900, Rich wrote:

[#59407] Re: help -- persuade my boss to adopt ruby — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2002/12/18

From: "Dan Sugalski" <dan@sidhe.org>

[#59161] Re: help -- persuade my boss to adopt ruby — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2002/12/16

----- Original Message -----

[#59181] Re: help -- persuade my boss to adopt ruby — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...> 2002/12/16

Hello Hal,

[#58870] replace setup.rb/install.rb with builtin module — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

I proposed this idea last night on the tail-end of another thread and on

10 messages 2002/12/12

[#58913] Inheritance Question — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

Hi

38 messages 2002/12/12
[#58957] Re: Inheritance Question — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2002/12/13

From: "Jim Freeze" <jim@freeze.org>

[#58973] Re: Inheritance Question — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2002/12/13

On Friday, 13 December 2002 at 15:45:27 +0900, Gavin Sinclair wrote:

[#58974] Re: Inheritance Question — ts <decoux@...> 2002/12/13

>>>>> "J" == Jim Freeze <jim@freeze.org> writes:

[#58993] Re: Inheritance Question — ahoward <ahoward@...> 2002/12/13

[#58998] Re: Inheritance Question — ts <decoux@...> 2002/12/13

>>>>> "a" == ahoward <ahoward@fsl.noaa.gov> writes:

[#59002] Re: Inheritance Question — ahoward <ahoward@...> 2002/12/13

On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, ts wrote:

[#59003] Re: Inheritance Question — ts <decoux@...> 2002/12/13

>>>>> "a" == ahoward <ahoward@fsl.noaa.gov> writes:

[#59108] un-extending objects — dblack@...

Hi --

17 messages 2002/12/15

[#59174] Toward ruby-lang.org renewal; trial website offered — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto)

Hi,

33 messages 2002/12/16
[#59202] Re: Toward ruby-lang.org renewal; trial website offered — Trevor.Jenkins@... (Trevor Jenkins) 2002/12/16

On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:26:19 +0900, Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org> wrote:

[#59203] Re: Toward ruby-lang.org renewal; trial website offered — Tim Bates <tim@...> 2002/12/16

On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:11 pm, Trevor Jenkins wrote:

[#59204] Re: Toward ruby-lang.org renewal; trial website offered — "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nahi@...> 2002/12/16

Hi, all,

[#59343] OT: Functional Language Recommendation — Wai-Sun Chia <waisun.chia@...>

Sorry for the OT post, but I need some advise from some like-minded

23 messages 2002/12/17

[#59392] Re: [OT] RE: help -- persuade my boss to adopt ruby — "Austin Ziegler" <austin@...>

> Ok, I confess: I know nothing about data

10 messages 2002/12/17

[#59508] ANN: FXRuby-1.0.17 Now Available — Lyle Johnson <lyle@...>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

15 messages 2002/12/18
[#59518] Re: ANN: FXRuby-1.0.17 Now Available — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2002/12/18

On Thursday, 19 December 2002 at 2:51:08 +0900, Lyle Johnson wrote:

[#59537] Re: ANN: FXRuby-1.0.17 Now Available — Lyle Johnson <lyle@...> 2002/12/18

Jim Freeze wrote:

[#59568] Re: ANN: FXRuby-1.0.17 Now Available — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2002/12/19

On Thursday, 19 December 2002 at 7:11:59 +0900, Lyle Johnson wrote:

[#59617] Re: ANN: FXRuby-1.0.17 Now Available — Lyle Johnson <lyle@...> 2002/12/19

Jim Freeze wrote:

[#59635] FXRuby and OS X 10.2 (Re: ANN: FXRuby-1.0.17 Now Available) — Brian Wisti <brian@...> 2002/12/19

Hi Lyle,

[#59564] Test::Unit 0.1.5 — <nathaniel@...>

What with all the holiday cheer going around (who can't be cheerful with

24 messages 2002/12/19
[#59621] Re: [ANN] Test::Unit 0.1.5 — Lyle Johnson <lyle@...> 2002/12/19

nathaniel@NOSPAMtalbott.ws wrote:

[#59625] Re: [ANN] Test::Unit 0.1.5 — <nathaniel@...> 2002/12/19

Lyle Johnson [mailto:lyle@users.sourceforge.net] wrote:

[#59808] ANN: FreeRIDE 0.5.0 Release Candidate 1 — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...>

[drum roll...]

24 messages 2002/12/23

[#59834] ruby-dev summary 19069-19150 — TAKAHASHI Masayoshi <maki@...>

Hello all,

15 messages 2002/12/24

[#59854] ANN: ruby 1.6.8 — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto)

Hello everyone,

16 messages 2002/12/24

[#59954] 1210 / 100 = 12? what? — Tom Sawyer <transami@...>

can someone explain this to me:

35 messages 2002/12/27
[#59955] Re: 1210 / 100 = 12? what? — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...> 2002/12/27

Hello Tom,

[#59957] Re: 1210 / 100 = 12? what? — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/12/27

no i didn't realize that. i thought ruby would automatically change it to a

[#59962] Re: 1210 / 100 = 12? what? — Brian Wisti <brian@...> 2002/12/27

Hi Tom,

[#59968] Re: 1210 / 100 = 12? what? — Tom Sawyer <transami@...> 2002/12/27

On Thursday 26 December 2002 11:42 pm, Brian Wisti wrote:

[#59984] Re: 1210 / 100 = 12? what? — Philipp Meier <meier@...> 2002/12/27

On Fri, Dec 27, 2002 at 04:10:59PM +0900, Tom Sawyer wrote:

[#59985] Re: 1210 / 100 = 12? what? — Lloyd Zusman <ljz@...> 2002/12/27

Philipp Meier <meier@meisterbohne.de> writes:

[#60006] Ruby & Preprinted forms - will they work together? — colotechpro@... (John Reed)

I'm a Ruby newbie, but I've decided to write a commercial application

18 messages 2002/12/27

[#60016] Installing Fox, FXRuby and fxscintilla — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>

I want to try out FreeRide, but just installing its dependencies has been

22 messages 2002/12/27
[#60018] Re: Installing Fox, FXRuby and fxscintilla — Lyle Johnson <lyle@...> 2002/12/28

Daniel Carrera wrote:

[#60050] RAA suggestions — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>

1. Reserve "what's new" for genuinely new packages. Introduce a

15 messages 2002/12/28

[#60146] rbbr 0.2rev1 bombs out! — Wai-Sun Chia <waisun.chia@...>

rbbr is looking for a rbbr/config.rb module which is non-existent..

20 messages 2002/12/30
[#60147] Re: rbbr 0.2rev1 bombs out! — Masao Mutoh <mutoh@...> 2002/12/30

Hi,

[#60149] Re: rbbr 0.2rev1 bombs out! — Wai-Sun Chia <waisun.chia@...> 2002/12/30

Huh?

[#60188] Range#size — Martin DeMello <martindemello@...>

I think I missed something - why is Range#size (and all its synonyms)

19 messages 2002/12/30
[#60210] Re: Range#size — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/12/31

Hi,

[#60223] Re: Range#size — Gennady Bystritsky <bystr@...> 2002/12/31

From: Gennady F. Bystritsky <gfb@tonesoft.com>

[#60206] Developing a website — "Shashank Date" <sdate@...>

I am planning to use Ruby to develop a website which will be hosted on

17 messages 2002/12/31

[#60217] ENV.clear — zhoujing@... (TOTO)

I tried

15 messages 2002/12/31

[#60221] win32_popen 0.1 — "Park Heesob" <phasis@...>

Hi, all.

15 messages 2002/12/31

FAQ for comp.lang.ruby

From: hal9000@...
Date: 2002-12-10 21:15:18 UTC
List: ruby-talk #58500
RUBY NEWSGROUP FAQ -- Welcome to comp.lang.ruby!  (Revised 2002-11-20)

This FAQ contains information for those who want to:

  1) learn more about Ruby, and want to 
  2) post to comp.lang.ruby or to the ruby-lang mail list, or want to
  3) provide anonymous feedback to help us improve Ruby.

This FAQ will be posted monthly. If you are reading the text version via 
the mailing list or the newsgroup, note that you can find it on the web 
at: http://rubyhacker.com/clrFAQ.html


Note that this is *not* the Ruby language FAQ! This can be found at:
http://www.rubygarden.org/iowa/faqtotum

TABLE OF CONTENTS

    1 About Ruby
    1.1 What is Ruby?
    1.2 Where can I find out more about Ruby?
    2 About comp.lang.ruby.
    2.1 Tell me about comp.lang.ruby.
    2.2 Tell me the posting guidelines for comp.lang.ruby.
    2.3 Tell me about the prolific Matz poster.
    2.4 How do the mailing list and newsgroup interrelate?
    2.5 What are these 5-digit message numbers?
    3 Anything else?

1 About Ruby

1.1 What is Ruby?

    Ruby is a very high level, fully OO programming language. Indeed,
    Ruby is one of the relatively few pure OO languages. Yet despite
    its conceptual simplicity, Ruby is still a powerful and practical
    "industrial strength" development language.  

    Ruby selectively integrates many good ideas taken from Perl,
    Python, Smalltalk, Eiffel, ADA, CLU, and LISP. Ruby combines 
    these ideas in a natural, well-coordinated system that embodies 
    the principles of least effort and least surprise to a 
    substantially greater extent than most comparable languages -- 
    i.e., you get more bang for your buck, and what you write is more 
    likely to give you what you expected to get.  Ruby is thus a 
    relatively easy to learn, easy to read, and easy to maintain 
    language; yet it is very powerful and sophisticated.  

    In addition to common OO features, Ruby also has threads,
    singleton methods, mixins, fully integrated closures and
    iterators, plus proper meta-classes.   Ruby has a true
    mark-and-sweep garbage collector, which makes code more reliable
    and simplifies writing extensions.  In summary, Ruby provides a
    very powerful and very easy to deploy "standing on the shoulders
    of giants" OO scaffolding/framework so that you can more quickly
    and easily build what you want to build, to do what you want to
    do.  
    
    You will find many former (and current) Perl, Python, Java, and
    C++ users on comp.lang.ruby that can help you get up to speed in
    Ruby.

    Finally, Ruby is an "open source" development programming
    language.  

1.2 Where can I find out more about Ruby?

    Ruby's home web site:
    
        http://www.ruby-lang.org/en (Ruby English language home page.)

            Follow the links to documentation, downloads, the Ruby
            Application Archive, the Ruby mail list archives, and lots
            of other interesting information.  
    
    Ruby's other major on-line documentation and links site:
    
        http://www.rubycentral.com  
        (Nov 2002: Currently having DNS problems!)

    Ruby FAQ: 
    
        http://www.rubygarden.org/iowa/faqtotum

    Ruby User's Guide (introductory tutorial):

        http://www.ruby-lang.org/~slagell/ruby/

    Ruby Reference Manual:

        http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/doc.html

    Ruby classes, modules, and methods reference:

        http://www.rubycentral.com/ref/

    English language Ruby books (recent publication order):

        Making Use of Ruby
	by Suresh Mahadevan
	Wiley; ISBN 0-471-21972-X (2002)

        Teach Yourself Ruby in 21 Days
        by Mark Slagell
        Sams; ISBN: 0672322528 (March, 2002)

        Ruby Developer's Guide
        by Michael Neumann, Robert Feldt, Lyle Johnson
        Publishers Group West; ISBN: 1928994644 (February, 2002)

        The Ruby Way
        by Hal Fulton
        Sams; ISBN: 0672320835 (December, 2001)

        Ruby In A Nutshell
        by Yukihiro Matsumoto
        O'Reilly & Associates; ISBN: 0596002149 (November, 2001)

        Programming Ruby: A Pragmatic Programmers Guide
        by Dave Thomas and Andrew Hunt
        Addison Wesley; ISBN: 0201710897 (2000)
        Internet version: http://www.rubycentral.com/ref/
        Errata: http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/ruby/errata.html

    Forthcoming English language Ruby books (author alpha order):

        The Ruby Developer's Handbook
        Robert Calco, Rich Kilmer, Dana Moore
        Sams Publishing, ISBN: ??? (2002)

        CANCELED, MARCH 2002 (for reasons unknown):
        The Ruby Programming Language
        by Yukihiro "Matz" Matsumoto and Keiju Ishitsuka 
        Addison Wesley Professional; ISBN: 020171096X (June, 2002)

    German language Ruby books (author alpha order):

        Das Einsteigerseminar Ruby. Der methodische und 
        ausfrliche Einstieg.
        by Dirk Engel and Klaus Spreckelsen 
        ISBN: 3826672429

        Programmieren mit Ruby
        by Armin Roehrl, Stefan Schmiedl, Clemens Wyss, et al.
        dpunkt.de; ISBN 3898641511 (February, 2002)

        Programmieren mit Ruby. Handbuch f den pragmatischen 
        Programmierer.
        Translation of the Thomas/Hunt book (Programming Ruby,
        aka the Pickaxe Book) 
        Addison-Wesley, ISBN: 382731965X (2002)

    Search past postings to comp.lang.ruby or the ruby-lang mail list
    (which have been mirrored to each other since mid-2000):

        http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=comp.lang.ruby
        http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/ruby/ruby-talk/index.shtml

    Local Ruby users and groups in your area:

        http://www.pragprog.com/ruby?RubyUserGroups

2 About comp.lang.ruby.

2.1 Tell me about comp.lang.ruby

    comp.lang.ruby was officially approved in early May, 2000. 
    (Conrad Schneiker, the former maintainer of this FAQ, was 
    responsible for the "net paperwork" of creating this group.)
    Here is the official charter:

        CHARTER: comp.lang.ruby

        The comp.lang.ruby newsgroup is devoted to discussions of the
        Ruby programming language and related issues.

        Examples of relevant postings include, but are not limited
        to, the following subjects:

        - Bug reports
        - Announcements of software written with Ruby
        - Examples of Ruby code
        - Suggestions for Ruby developers
        - Requests for help from new Ruby programmers

        The newsgroup is not moderated.  Binaries are prohibited
        (except the small PGP type). Advertising is prohibited (except
        for announcements of new Ruby-related products).

        END CHARTER.

2.2 Tell me the posting guidelines for comp.lang.ruby.

    (You should also follow these guidelines for the ruby-list mail
    list, since it is mirrored to comp.lang.ruby.) 

    (1) ALWAYS be friendly, considerate, tactful, and tasteful.  We
        want to keep this forum hospitable to the growing ranks of
        newbies, very young people, and their teachers, as well as
        cater to fire breathing wizards.  :-)

    (2) Keep your content relevant and easy to follow. Try to keep
        your content brief and to the point, but also try to include
        all relevant information.

        (a) The general format guidelines (aka USENET Netiquette) are
            matters of common sense and common courtesy that make life
            easier for 3rd parties to follow along (in real time or 
            when perusing archives):

            - PLEASE NOTE! Include quoted text from previous posts
              *BEFORE* your responses. And *selectively* quote as much
              as is relevant. 
            - Use *plain* text; don't use HTML, RTF, or Word. Most
              mail or newsreader programs have an option for this; if
              yours doesn't, get a (freeware) program or use a
              web-based service that does.
            - Include examples from files as *in-line* text; don't
              use attachments.

        (b) If reporting a problem, give *all* the relevant
            information the first time; this isn't the psychic friends
            newsgroup.  :-)  When appropriate, include:

            - The version of Ruby. ("ruby -v")
            - The compiler name and version used to build Ruby.
            - The OS type and level. ("uname -a")
            - The actual error messages.
            - An example (preferably simple) that produces the
              problem.

        (c) If reporting a bug, please copy (cc:) your post to:

                mailto:ruby-bugs@ruby-lang.org

            This will enter your report into the Ruby bug database.
            You can browse the database at:

                http://www.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/ruby-bugs

    (3) Make the subject line maximally informative, so that people
        who should be interested will read your post and so that people
        who wouldn't be interested can easily avoid it.  

        *Usefully* describe the contents of your post:

            This is OK: 
            
                "How can I do x with y on z?"
                "Problem: did x, expected y, got z."
                "Bug: doing x with module y crashed z."

            This is *NOT* OK:

                "Please help!!!"
                "Newbie question"
                "Need Ruby guru to tell me what's wrong"
    
    (4) Finally, be considerate: don't be too lazy. If you are
        seeking information, first make a reasonable effort to look it
        up. As appropriate, check the Ruby home page, check the Ruby
	FAQ and other documentation, use google.com to search past
        comp.lang.ruby postings, and so on.  

2.3 Tell me about the prolific Matz poster.

    Matz (aka Yukihiro Matsumoto) is the wizard who created Ruby for
    us, so be nice to him. He is very busy, so be patient when asking
    questions. See the Ruby home page to find out more about him and
    his work. I (Conrad Schneiker) founded comp.lang.ruby at his 
    suggestion. Contrary to lots of skepticism, it was approved on 
    the first attempt, with 200 yes votes.

2.4 How do the mailing list and newsgroup interrelate?

    The mailing list is older. When the newsgroup was created, they
    diverged. In mid-2001, Dave Thomas created a two-way gateway 
    that would "mirror" the newsgroup to the list and vice versa.
    (This was accomplished in 200 lines of Ruby code.) It is not 
    perfect; because of variability in the news feed, sometimes 
    messages are dropped or duplicated.

    The online archive of the mailing list therefore includes most
    of the traffic on the newsgroup, excluding the posts that were
    made before the creation of the gateway.

    Note: Spam or other inappropriate messages are NOT the 
    responsibility of Dave Thomas, who maintains the gateway. He
    does everything in his power to deal with this issue. Do NOT
    report spam to his ISP merely because the messages come from
    his server.

2.5 What are these 5-digit message numbers?

    Historically, every item on the mailing list had a subject
    starting with a string like: [ruby-talk:99999]

    The message numbers were convenient since they were strictly
    serial and formed a good way to refer to a past message. But
    they interfered with threading; Matz removed them after the
    matter was put to a vote in early 2002.

    The news header still refers to this number, should anyone
    wish to retrieve it. On the mailing list this number can
    now be found in the X-Mail-Count: header.

    You can point to a specific message by appending it onto the
    ruby-talk.org URL; i.e. http://ruby-talk.org/12345 will refer
    to message 12345.


3. Anything else?

    If you are new to Ruby (or haven't previously taken the Ruby User
    Survey), please take a moment to anonymously tell us about your
    programming background and about your Ruby-related interests. The
    results will be reported back to the Ruby community from time to
    time. This helps us do a better job of helping each other, and to
    more effectively expand the Ruby community for our mutual benefit.
    The survey is at:

        http://dev.rubycentral.com/survey.html

    This FAQ was produced by Conrad Schneiker (schneiker@jump.net).
    It is now maintained by Hal Fulton (hal9000@hypermetrics.com).
    I'm interested in corrections and suggestions, but remember that
    the purpose of this FAQ is to be a brief and simple introduction
    for new comp.lang.ruby readers.  
    
    In closing, one of the reasons that Ruby was designed to be
    relatively simple, uniform, yet very powerful was to make serious
    programming (among other kinds) fun.  We hope you will help us
    keep comp.lang.ruby fun as well. Enjoy.  :-)


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