[#52047] ruby-talk separation, part II — " JamesBritt" <james@...>

32 messages 2002/10/01
[#52099] Re: ruby-talk separation, part II — Holden Glova <dsafari@...> 2002/10/01

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[#52111] Re: ruby-talk separation, part II — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...> 2002/10/01

[#52118] Re: ruby-talk separation, part II — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2002/10/01

On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 09:03:44PM +0900, Bulat Ziganshin wrote:

[#52167] Re: ruby-talk separation, part II — Sean Chittenden <sean@...> 2002/10/01

FreeBSD's got a decent setup. Few additions to the list here:

[#52245] Compiling stuff under Windows: list of problems — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...>

I don't want my tortuous experience of trying to get things working under this

13 messages 2002/10/02

[#52259] bugs — "Kontra, Gergely" <kgergely@...>

Hi!

26 messages 2002/10/02
[#52261] Re: bugs — nobu.nokada@... 2002/10/02

Hi,

[#52269] Re: bugs — "Stathy G. Touloumis" <stathy.touloumis@...> 2002/10/02

[#52300] Can soneone tell me what I'm doing wrong... — Jeremy Gregorio <gunvalk@...>

I'm trying to write a little script to rename my mp3s I started with this:

15 messages 2002/10/02

[#52391] CRuby (Was: R) — Nikodemus Siivola <tsiivola@...>

CRuby = subset of Ruby + typed methods + compiler to C

28 messages 2002/10/03
[#52395] Re: CRuby (Was: R) — Anders Bengtsson <ndrsbngtssn@...> 2002/10/03

Nikodemus Siivola wrote:

[#52400] Re: CRuby (Was: R) — Michael Campbell <michael_s_campbell@...> 2002/10/03

[#52402] Re: CRuby (Was: R) — Anders Bengtsson <ndrsbngtssn@...> 2002/10/03

Michael Campbell wrote:

[#52436] Specifying local and external block parameters (that old chestnut) — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...>

I've cannibalised discussion from the "Bugs" thread. I hope it is a service to

49 messages 2002/10/04
[#52440] Re: Specifying local and external block parameters (that old chestnut) — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/10/04

Hi,

[#52610] Re: Specifying local and external block parameters (that old chestnut) — "MikkelFJ" <mikkelfj-anti-spam@...> 2002/10/06

[#52612] Re: Specifying local and external block parameters (that old chestnut) — ts <decoux@...> 2002/10/06

>>>>> "M" == MikkelFJ <mikkelfj-anti-spam@bigfoot.com> writes:

[#52557] Speed of Ruby/modruby vs PHP — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

Hi:

27 messages 2002/10/05
[#52598] Re: Speed of Ruby/modruby vs PHP — "MikkelFJ" <mikkelfj-anti-spam@...> 2002/10/06

[#52600] Re: Speed of Ruby/modruby vs PHP — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2002/10/06

On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 08:50:48PM +0900, MikkelFJ wrote:

[#52601] Re: Speed of Ruby/modruby vs PHP — MoonWolf <moonwolf@...> 2002/10/06

> How do I configure mod_ruby to run with a cached script?

[#52628] Re: Speed of Ruby/modruby vs PHP — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2002/10/06

Ok, here is how I understand this.

[#52636] Re: Speed of Ruby/modruby vs PHP — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2002/10/06

On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 05:07:25PM -0400, Jim Freeze wrote:

[#52581] Platform again — Friedrich Dominicus <frido@...>

Well I ask again. On what platforms are you using ruby most of the

36 messages 2002/10/06

[#52602] Another take on ensuring right args to methods — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...>

11 messages 2002/10/06

[#52653] webforms — "Kontra, Gergely" <kgergely@...>

Hi!

19 messages 2002/10/07

[#52669] Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know — billtj@... (Bill Tj)

Hi,

59 messages 2002/10/07
[#52805] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...> 2002/10/09

Hello Bill,

[#52982] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know — "Kontra, Gergely" <kgergely@...> 2002/10/11

>3) 'x+=b', 'x*=b' and other assignment operators is internally translated

[#52727] block vars (some theory) — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...>

Hello all,

37 messages 2002/10/08
[#52728] Re: block vars (some theory) — ts <decoux@...> 2002/10/08

>>>>> "B" == Bulat Ziganshin <bulatz@integ.ru> writes:

[#52806] strange Hash default behaviour — John Tromp <tromp@...>

I wrote a ruby program to read a list of graph edges and produce

16 messages 2002/10/09

[#52823] CGI sessions without cookies? — Stefan Scholl <stefan.scholl@...>

I haven't tried sessions, yet. But I'm curious if you can work

17 messages 2002/10/09

[#52848] Polymorphism, Isomorphism — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

Consider this a bit of public pondering...

21 messages 2002/10/09

[#53045] Sorting — warren@... (Warren Brian Noronha)

dear developer,

31 messages 2002/10/12
[#53048] Re: Sorting — dblack@... 2002/10/12

Hello --

[#53082] Re: Sorting — "Mike Campbell" <michael_s_campbell@...> 2002/10/13

> I think almost anything is a better name than CRAN, as that (to me)

[#53083] Re: Sorting — dblack@... 2002/10/13

Hello --

[#53093] Re: Sorting — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2002/10/13

[#53109] Re: Sorting — "Mike Campbell" <michael_s_campbell@...> 2002/10/13

> Just a thought: why *not* copy CPAN? It's pretty good, isn't it?

[#53183] final in ruby — "Kontra, Gergely" <kgergely@...>

Hi!

21 messages 2002/10/14

[#53230] Please check my algorithm — Vincent Foley <vinfoley@...>

Hi, I found a nice programming challenge:

12 messages 2002/10/14

[#53278] ruby-dev summary 18458-18504 — TAKAHASHI Masayoshi <maki@...>

Hi all,

16 messages 2002/10/15

[#53285] Psyco — Travis Whitton <whitton@...>

There's an interesting article on IBM developerWorks about a new program

18 messages 2002/10/16

[#53297] Interfaces in Ruby — web2ed@... (Edward Wilson)

Is there a way to write/inforce interfaces in Ruby like one can using

44 messages 2002/10/16
[#53300] Re: Interfaces in Ruby — Chris Gehlker <canyonrat@...> 2002/10/16

[#53334] Re: Interfaces in Ruby — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2002/10/16

On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 01:30:04PM +0900, Chris Gehlker wrote:

[#53409] Re: Interfaces in Ruby — web2ed@... (Edward Wilson) 2002/10/17

>http://rm-f.net/~cout/code/ruby/treasures/RubyTreasures-0.3/lib/hacks/interface.rb.html

[#53470] Re: Interfaces in Ruby — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2002/10/17

On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 01:25:57PM +0900, Edward Wilson wrote:

[#53514] Re: Interfaces in Ruby — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...> 2002/10/18

On Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 12:16:30AM +0900, Paul Brannan wrote:

[#53359] Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (10/16/02) — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

29 messages 2002/10/16
[#53774] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (10/16/02) — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2002/10/22

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[#53556] Help wanted with an experimental FAQ facility — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

24 messages 2002/10/18

[#53626] XMLParser, NQXML, REXML, ... — Armin Roehrl <armin@...>

Hi XML-freaks,

23 messages 2002/10/20
[#53897] Re: XMLParser, NQXML, REXML, ... — Sean Chittenden <sean@...> 2002/10/23

> Hi XML-freaks,

[#53902] Ruby.bah! (was Re: XMLParser, NQXML... and also RAA.succ) — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/10/23

On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:01:59 +0900, Sean Chittenden wrote:

[#53904] Re: Ruby.bah! (was Re: XMLParser, NQXML... and also RAA.succ) — Sean Chittenden <sean@...> 2002/10/23

> > Markus and I are working on rubydoc which is now able to

[#53911] Re: Ruby.bah! (was Re: XMLParser, NQXML... and also RAA.succ) — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/10/23

On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:07:46 +0900, Sean Chittenden wrote:

[#53652] RAA.succ? — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

I hope there will be some discussion of RAA.succ (or is it RAA.next) at

78 messages 2002/10/21
[#53654] Re: RAA.succ? — nobu.nokada@... 2002/10/21

Hi,

[#53669] Re: RAA.succ? — "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nahi@...> 2002/10/21

Hi,

[#54022] RAA replaced — "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nahi@...> 2002/10/24

Hi,

[#53914] Re: RAA.succ? (rpkg vs rubynet) — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson) 2002/10/23

In article <20021023041621.GC48080@perrin.int.nxad.com>,

[#53688] functional Ruby equiv to this perl snippet — bobx@... (Bob)

# parses a text file looking for server names and ignoring lines

29 messages 2002/10/21
[#53694] Re: functional Ruby equiv to this perl snippet — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/10/21

def load_server_list

[#53696] Re: functional Ruby equiv to this perl snippet — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/10/21

I realised that my first test wasn't good for non-empty but blank

[#53718] Re: functional Ruby equiv to this perl snippet — "Bob X" <bobx@...> 2002/10/21

"Austin Ziegler" <austin@halostatue.ca> wrote in message

[#53703] rb_gc_register_address problem — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...>

We ran into a problem today with the garbage collector (caused by our

28 messages 2002/10/21

[#53771] Perl multiple match RE in Ruby? — michael libby <x@...>

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14 messages 2002/10/22

[#53865] XMLRPC and IP authentication — Daniel Berger <djberge@...>

Hi all,

13 messages 2002/10/22

[#53884] SQLite — "Bob X" <bobx@...>

Anyone working on a Ruby interface for SQLite?

109 messages 2002/10/23
[#53894] Re: SQLite — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/10/23

On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:38:31 +0900, Bob X wrote:

[#54714] Thoughts on Ruby — Enric Lafont <enric@1smart.com> 2002/11/03

Hi all,

[#54724] Re: Thoughts on Ruby — Albert Wagner <alwagner@...> 2002/11/03

On Saturday 02 November 2002 7:57 pm, Enric Lafont wrote:

[#54725] Re: Thoughts on Ruby — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/11/03

On Sun, 3 Nov 2002 10:57:29 +0900, Enric Lafont wrote:

[#54784] Re: Thoughts on Ruby — Enric Lafont <enric@1smart.com> 2002/11/03

Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#54802] Re: Thoughts on Ruby — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/11/03

On Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:44:46 +0900, Enric Lafont wrote:

[#54826] Re: Thoughts on Ruby — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2002/11/04

From: "Enric Lafont" <enric@1smart.com>

[#54903] Re: Thoughts on Ruby — Brian Candler <B.Candler@...> 2002/11/05

On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 10:02:12PM +0900, Gavin Sinclair wrote:

[#54920] Re: Thoughts on Ruby — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/11/05

On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 20:18:47 +0900, Brian Candler wrote:

[#54927] Re: Thoughts on Ruby lack of IDE — Brad Cox <bcox@...> 2002/11/05

It is a sign of my hybrid Objective-C background, no doubt, but I

[#54929] Re: Thoughts on Ruby lack of IDE — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2002/11/05

Brad Cox wrote:

[#55322] FreeRIDE and FUI ?? (was: Re: Thoughts on Ruby lack of IDE) — "Rich" <rich@...> 2002/11/08

> > >

[#55346] Re: FreeRIDE and FUI ?? (was: Re: Thoughts on Ruby lack of IDE) — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2002/11/09

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[#53953] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (10/16/02) — "Mills Thomas (app1tam)" <app1tam@...>

But why does it really, REALLY mean that? Was there a reason for doing

13 messages 2002/10/23

[#53957] NODE tree introspection — Simon Cozens <simon@...>

13 messages 2002/10/23

[#53983] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (10/16/02) — "Mills Thomas (app1tam)" <app1tam@...>

Actually, the way you describe '+=' makes sense to me. It is what I would

17 messages 2002/10/23
[#54001] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (10/16/02) — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/10/23

Hi,

[#54012] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (10/16/02) — dblack@... 2002/10/24

Hi --

[#54111] How come true, false don't support <=> (comparison) operator? — cilibrar@... (Rudi Cilibrasi)

I am wondering if there is a good reason why Ruby does not by default

24 messages 2002/10/25
[#54112] Re: How come true, false don't support <=> (comparison) operator? — dblack@... 2002/10/25

Hello --

[#54139] Re: How come true, false don't support <=> (comparison) operator? — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson) 2002/10/25

In article <Pine.LNX.4.44.0210250754010.2650-100000@candle.superlink.net>,

[#54156] Re: How come true, false don't support <=> (comparison) operator? — dblack@... 2002/10/25

Hi --

[#54239] Snippet request: Ruby Web Server written in under an hour — Phlip <phlipcpp@...>

Rubies:

37 messages 2002/10/28
[#54328] Snippet: Tiny Featureless Ruby Web Server — Phlip <phlipcpp@...> 2002/10/29

Rubies:

[#54339] method-call style (was Re: Snippet: Tiny Featureless Ruby Web Server) — dblack@... 2002/10/29

Hi --

[#54517] Re: method-call style (was Re: Snippet: Tiny Featureless Ruby Web Server) — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/10/30

Bulat Ziganshin <bulatz@integ.ru> wrote:

[#54519] Re: method-call style (was Re: Snippet: Tiny Featureless Ruby Web Server) — dblack@... 2002/10/30

Hi --

[#54525] Re: method-call style (was Re: Snippet: Tiny Featureless Ruby Web Server) — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/10/30

dblack@candle.superlink.net wrote:

[#54527] Re: method-call style (was Re: Snippet: Tiny Featureless Ruby Web Server) — dblack@... 2002/10/30

Hi --

[#54280] exerb & fox-problem; converting gui-script to .exe on windows — Armin Roehrl <armin@...>

Hi,

12 messages 2002/10/28

[#54354] good link to read as we contemplate RAA, RAA.succ, et al — Pat Eyler <pate@...>

http://www.onlamp.com/pub/wlg/2225

28 messages 2002/10/29
[#54356] Re: good link to read as we contemplate RAA, RAA.succ, et al — dblack@... 2002/10/29

Hi --

[#54385] Re: good link to read as we contemplate RAA, RAA.succ, et al — " JamesBritt" <james@...> 2002/10/29

> Interesting. Simon (hi Simon!) is probably right that "Definitive

[#54421] want to meet Microsoft .NET guy? — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto)

Hi,

17 messages 2002/10/30

[#54449] feature idea: custom literals — loats205@... (loats205)

wouldn't it be cool if you could define custom literal representations for your

30 messages 2002/10/30
[#54459] Re: feature idea: custom literals — Peter Hickman <peter@...> 2002/10/30

loats205 wrote:

[#54476] Re: feature idea: custom literals — Nikodemus Siivola <tsiivola@...> 2002/10/30

RE: ruby-talk separation, part II

From: " JamesBritt" <james@...>
Date: 2002-10-01 05:44:30 UTC
List: ruby-talk #52082
> > If somebody has a new class or library, then they should add it to
> > the RAA index.  Want to see what's new? Go to the RAA.
>
> NO, WRONG!

What, specifically, is wrong? Listing items on RAA?  Using RAA as a central
point of information about contributed libraries?  Expecting people to
actively check the RAA for changes?

> This is the same broken attitude that promotes the use of
> Wiki's, which, as far as I'm concerned are a black hole for information
> and should be avoided at all costs.  Want to propagate information?
> Setup a cvs commit emailer that sends out diffs.  Fire up a docbook
> project and hand out cvs accounts left and right.  What do you have at
> the end of a wiki?  A chunk of HTML and a community.

There's a lot to be said for a chunk of HTML and a community.

There are whatever number of ways to propagate information.  Face-to-face,
IRC, mailing lists/newsgroups, Wikis, "conventional" web sites, books, etc.
I can't see dismissing any one them outright as indicative of a broken
attitude, though they can be misused.  Now, at the extremes, I can't see
using either IRC or books as a primary means of dissemination announcements,
but what's suitable depends on the shelf life of the information, and
whether some degree of interactivity is called for.


> What do you have
> at the end of a docbook +cvs exercise?  A publishable book that's
> factual and reference-able.

Ironically, this may be a better topic for a different list (ruby-doc).
Wikis are not meant to be pre-books. Criticizing Wikis for not being more
like books, or for not lending themselves to static publishing, is mistaken.
The essential features of Wikis (non-linearity, constant updating) are
features books lack.  Books are static, Wikis are dynamic. Similarly,
announcements are transient; there is little value in archiving
announcements past a brief duration.  Wikis strike me as slow-motion mailing
lists, and are probably not the best place to store library announcements.

> Chris Morris's wiki/cvs commit dilly is of
> interest to me because it could mean that wiki's will actually
> broadcast raw information and will allow folks to stop having to hit
> the website for changes... never mind the second step required to get a
> diff.

The Ruby Garden Wiki is kind enough to provide an RSS feed of updated
topics.  I added it to rubyxml.com (along with a few other RSS feeds).  The
feed is checked three times a day via a cron job.  I don't know if this is
any more efficient than if rubygarden.org emailed me whenever there was a
change.

Now, if some people decided to check updates from rubyxml.com (or wherever
the RSS feed is presented) rather than rubygarden.org directly, that would
distribute the load.  Push or pull? Centralized distribution, or distributed
storage?  What are the trade-offs?

>
> > Use an RSS feed.
>
> This will be used actually.  I've got a digest version of this that'll
> send announce@ a nicely formatted email that has all of the modules
> that are new from the last week and a list of all of the modules that
> were updated.  The nice thing about this is that it gets _sent_ to me,
> I don't have to go trolling around looking for information.

There are any number of ways to automatically fetch data.  Using a mail
client to pull text from a mail server is just one of them.  If people are
already making entries to the RAA, why wouldn't an RSS feed from RAA be
sufficient?  If people *aren't* maintaining entries in RAA, should they?
Because if they should, but don't, then why would they bother using an
announcement list?

When I updated my Blogtari software, I updated an entry on the RAA site, and
made an announcement to ruby-talk.  My ruby-talk message used the [ANN]
convention, so that folks with a particular interest in flagging
announcements can have their mail readers catch it (or filter it out, for
that matter).  But, really, I should be able to update my RAA entry and be
done, with the new information automatically propagated to those interested.
Maybe this means it appears on a special list, or gets posted to ruby-talk,
or is available from an RSS feed.  Or all three, and more.

The sense I'm getting, though, is that one will be able to get some
information about new libraries from the announce@ list, and some (possibly
overlapping) information from RAA, but neither one will be authoritative.
Instead of having one incomplete source (i.e. RAA), we'll have two.  If we
want to avoid trolling around for information, then having a single
authoritative source might work better.  If it feeds secondary means of
distribution, fine.


James

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