[#52047] ruby-talk separation, part II — " JamesBritt" <james@...>

32 messages 2002/10/01
[#52099] Re: ruby-talk separation, part II — Holden Glova <dsafari@...> 2002/10/01

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[#52111] Re: ruby-talk separation, part II — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...> 2002/10/01

[#52118] Re: ruby-talk separation, part II — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2002/10/01

On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 09:03:44PM +0900, Bulat Ziganshin wrote:

[#52167] Re: ruby-talk separation, part II — Sean Chittenden <sean@...> 2002/10/01

FreeBSD's got a decent setup. Few additions to the list here:

[#52245] Compiling stuff under Windows: list of problems — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...>

I don't want my tortuous experience of trying to get things working under this

13 messages 2002/10/02

[#52259] bugs — "Kontra, Gergely" <kgergely@...>

Hi!

26 messages 2002/10/02
[#52261] Re: bugs — nobu.nokada@... 2002/10/02

Hi,

[#52269] Re: bugs — "Stathy G. Touloumis" <stathy.touloumis@...> 2002/10/02

[#52300] Can soneone tell me what I'm doing wrong... — Jeremy Gregorio <gunvalk@...>

I'm trying to write a little script to rename my mp3s I started with this:

15 messages 2002/10/02

[#52391] CRuby (Was: R) — Nikodemus Siivola <tsiivola@...>

CRuby = subset of Ruby + typed methods + compiler to C

28 messages 2002/10/03
[#52395] Re: CRuby (Was: R) — Anders Bengtsson <ndrsbngtssn@...> 2002/10/03

Nikodemus Siivola wrote:

[#52400] Re: CRuby (Was: R) — Michael Campbell <michael_s_campbell@...> 2002/10/03

[#52402] Re: CRuby (Was: R) — Anders Bengtsson <ndrsbngtssn@...> 2002/10/03

Michael Campbell wrote:

[#52436] Specifying local and external block parameters (that old chestnut) — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...>

I've cannibalised discussion from the "Bugs" thread. I hope it is a service to

49 messages 2002/10/04
[#52440] Re: Specifying local and external block parameters (that old chestnut) — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/10/04

Hi,

[#52610] Re: Specifying local and external block parameters (that old chestnut) — "MikkelFJ" <mikkelfj-anti-spam@...> 2002/10/06

[#52612] Re: Specifying local and external block parameters (that old chestnut) — ts <decoux@...> 2002/10/06

>>>>> "M" == MikkelFJ <mikkelfj-anti-spam@bigfoot.com> writes:

[#52557] Speed of Ruby/modruby vs PHP — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

Hi:

27 messages 2002/10/05
[#52598] Re: Speed of Ruby/modruby vs PHP — "MikkelFJ" <mikkelfj-anti-spam@...> 2002/10/06

[#52600] Re: Speed of Ruby/modruby vs PHP — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2002/10/06

On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 08:50:48PM +0900, MikkelFJ wrote:

[#52601] Re: Speed of Ruby/modruby vs PHP — MoonWolf <moonwolf@...> 2002/10/06

> How do I configure mod_ruby to run with a cached script?

[#52628] Re: Speed of Ruby/modruby vs PHP — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2002/10/06

Ok, here is how I understand this.

[#52636] Re: Speed of Ruby/modruby vs PHP — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2002/10/06

On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 05:07:25PM -0400, Jim Freeze wrote:

[#52581] Platform again — Friedrich Dominicus <frido@...>

Well I ask again. On what platforms are you using ruby most of the

36 messages 2002/10/06

[#52602] Another take on ensuring right args to methods — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...>

11 messages 2002/10/06

[#52653] webforms — "Kontra, Gergely" <kgergely@...>

Hi!

19 messages 2002/10/07

[#52669] Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know — billtj@... (Bill Tj)

Hi,

59 messages 2002/10/07
[#52805] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...> 2002/10/09

Hello Bill,

[#52982] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know — "Kontra, Gergely" <kgergely@...> 2002/10/11

>3) 'x+=b', 'x*=b' and other assignment operators is internally translated

[#52727] block vars (some theory) — "Bulat Ziganshin" <bulatz@...>

Hello all,

37 messages 2002/10/08
[#52728] Re: block vars (some theory) — ts <decoux@...> 2002/10/08

>>>>> "B" == Bulat Ziganshin <bulatz@integ.ru> writes:

[#52806] strange Hash default behaviour — John Tromp <tromp@...>

I wrote a ruby program to read a list of graph edges and produce

16 messages 2002/10/09

[#52823] CGI sessions without cookies? — Stefan Scholl <stefan.scholl@...>

I haven't tried sessions, yet. But I'm curious if you can work

17 messages 2002/10/09

[#52848] Polymorphism, Isomorphism — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

Consider this a bit of public pondering...

21 messages 2002/10/09

[#53045] Sorting — warren@... (Warren Brian Noronha)

dear developer,

31 messages 2002/10/12
[#53048] Re: Sorting — dblack@... 2002/10/12

Hello --

[#53082] Re: Sorting — "Mike Campbell" <michael_s_campbell@...> 2002/10/13

> I think almost anything is a better name than CRAN, as that (to me)

[#53083] Re: Sorting — dblack@... 2002/10/13

Hello --

[#53093] Re: Sorting — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2002/10/13

[#53109] Re: Sorting — "Mike Campbell" <michael_s_campbell@...> 2002/10/13

> Just a thought: why *not* copy CPAN? It's pretty good, isn't it?

[#53183] final in ruby — "Kontra, Gergely" <kgergely@...>

Hi!

21 messages 2002/10/14

[#53230] Please check my algorithm — Vincent Foley <vinfoley@...>

Hi, I found a nice programming challenge:

12 messages 2002/10/14

[#53278] ruby-dev summary 18458-18504 — TAKAHASHI Masayoshi <maki@...>

Hi all,

16 messages 2002/10/15

[#53285] Psyco — Travis Whitton <whitton@...>

There's an interesting article on IBM developerWorks about a new program

18 messages 2002/10/16

[#53297] Interfaces in Ruby — web2ed@... (Edward Wilson)

Is there a way to write/inforce interfaces in Ruby like one can using

44 messages 2002/10/16
[#53409] Re: Interfaces in Ruby — web2ed@... (Edward Wilson) 2002/10/17

>http://rm-f.net/~cout/code/ruby/treasures/RubyTreasures-0.3/lib/hacks/interface.rb.html

[#53470] Re: Interfaces in Ruby — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2002/10/17

On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 01:25:57PM +0900, Edward Wilson wrote:

[#53514] Re: Interfaces in Ruby — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...> 2002/10/18

On Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 12:16:30AM +0900, Paul Brannan wrote:

[#53300] Re: Interfaces in Ruby — Chris Gehlker <canyonrat@...> 2002/10/16

[#53334] Re: Interfaces in Ruby — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2002/10/16

On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 01:30:04PM +0900, Chris Gehlker wrote:

[#53359] Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (10/16/02) — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

29 messages 2002/10/16
[#53774] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (10/16/02) — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2002/10/22

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[#53556] Help wanted with an experimental FAQ facility — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

24 messages 2002/10/18

[#53626] XMLParser, NQXML, REXML, ... — Armin Roehrl <armin@...>

Hi XML-freaks,

23 messages 2002/10/20
[#53897] Re: XMLParser, NQXML, REXML, ... — Sean Chittenden <sean@...> 2002/10/23

> Hi XML-freaks,

[#53902] Ruby.bah! (was Re: XMLParser, NQXML... and also RAA.succ) — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/10/23

On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:01:59 +0900, Sean Chittenden wrote:

[#53904] Re: Ruby.bah! (was Re: XMLParser, NQXML... and also RAA.succ) — Sean Chittenden <sean@...> 2002/10/23

> > Markus and I are working on rubydoc which is now able to

[#53911] Re: Ruby.bah! (was Re: XMLParser, NQXML... and also RAA.succ) — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/10/23

On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:07:46 +0900, Sean Chittenden wrote:

[#53652] RAA.succ? — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

I hope there will be some discussion of RAA.succ (or is it RAA.next) at

78 messages 2002/10/21
[#53654] Re: RAA.succ? — nobu.nokada@... 2002/10/21

Hi,

[#53669] Re: RAA.succ? — "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nahi@...> 2002/10/21

Hi,

[#54022] RAA replaced — "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nahi@...> 2002/10/24

Hi,

[#53914] Re: RAA.succ? (rpkg vs rubynet) — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson) 2002/10/23

In article <20021023041621.GC48080@perrin.int.nxad.com>,

[#53688] functional Ruby equiv to this perl snippet — bobx@... (Bob)

# parses a text file looking for server names and ignoring lines

29 messages 2002/10/21
[#53694] Re: functional Ruby equiv to this perl snippet — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/10/21

def load_server_list

[#53696] Re: functional Ruby equiv to this perl snippet — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/10/21

I realised that my first test wasn't good for non-empty but blank

[#53718] Re: functional Ruby equiv to this perl snippet — "Bob X" <bobx@...> 2002/10/21

"Austin Ziegler" <austin@halostatue.ca> wrote in message

[#53703] rb_gc_register_address problem — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...>

We ran into a problem today with the garbage collector (caused by our

28 messages 2002/10/21

[#53771] Perl multiple match RE in Ruby? — michael libby <x@...>

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14 messages 2002/10/22

[#53865] XMLRPC and IP authentication — Daniel Berger <djberge@...>

Hi all,

13 messages 2002/10/22

[#53884] SQLite — "Bob X" <bobx@...>

Anyone working on a Ruby interface for SQLite?

109 messages 2002/10/23
[#53894] Re: SQLite — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/10/23

On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:38:31 +0900, Bob X wrote:

[#54714] Thoughts on Ruby — Enric Lafont <enric@1smart.com> 2002/11/03

Hi all,

[#54724] Re: Thoughts on Ruby — Albert Wagner <alwagner@...> 2002/11/03

On Saturday 02 November 2002 7:57 pm, Enric Lafont wrote:

[#54725] Re: Thoughts on Ruby — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/11/03

On Sun, 3 Nov 2002 10:57:29 +0900, Enric Lafont wrote:

[#54784] Re: Thoughts on Ruby — Enric Lafont <enric@1smart.com> 2002/11/03

Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#54802] Re: Thoughts on Ruby — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/11/03

On Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:44:46 +0900, Enric Lafont wrote:

[#54826] Re: Thoughts on Ruby — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2002/11/04

From: "Enric Lafont" <enric@1smart.com>

[#54903] Re: Thoughts on Ruby — Brian Candler <B.Candler@...> 2002/11/05

On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 10:02:12PM +0900, Gavin Sinclair wrote:

[#54920] Re: Thoughts on Ruby — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/11/05

On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 20:18:47 +0900, Brian Candler wrote:

[#54927] Re: Thoughts on Ruby lack of IDE — Brad Cox <bcox@...> 2002/11/05

It is a sign of my hybrid Objective-C background, no doubt, but I

[#54929] Re: Thoughts on Ruby lack of IDE — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2002/11/05

Brad Cox wrote:

[#55322] FreeRIDE and FUI ?? (was: Re: Thoughts on Ruby lack of IDE) — "Rich" <rich@...> 2002/11/08

> > >

[#55346] Re: FreeRIDE and FUI ?? (was: Re: Thoughts on Ruby lack of IDE) — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2002/11/09

> -----Original Message-----

[#53953] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (10/16/02) — "Mills Thomas (app1tam)" <app1tam@...>

But why does it really, REALLY mean that? Was there a reason for doing

13 messages 2002/10/23

[#53957] NODE tree introspection — Simon Cozens <simon@...>

13 messages 2002/10/23

[#53983] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (10/16/02) — "Mills Thomas (app1tam)" <app1tam@...>

Actually, the way you describe '+=' makes sense to me. It is what I would

17 messages 2002/10/23
[#54001] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (10/16/02) — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/10/23

Hi,

[#54012] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (10/16/02) — dblack@... 2002/10/24

Hi --

[#54111] How come true, false don't support <=> (comparison) operator? — cilibrar@... (Rudi Cilibrasi)

I am wondering if there is a good reason why Ruby does not by default

24 messages 2002/10/25
[#54112] Re: How come true, false don't support <=> (comparison) operator? — dblack@... 2002/10/25

Hello --

[#54139] Re: How come true, false don't support <=> (comparison) operator? — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson) 2002/10/25

In article <Pine.LNX.4.44.0210250754010.2650-100000@candle.superlink.net>,

[#54156] Re: How come true, false don't support <=> (comparison) operator? — dblack@... 2002/10/25

Hi --

[#54239] Snippet request: Ruby Web Server written in under an hour — Phlip <phlipcpp@...>

Rubies:

37 messages 2002/10/28
[#54328] Snippet: Tiny Featureless Ruby Web Server — Phlip <phlipcpp@...> 2002/10/29

Rubies:

[#54339] method-call style (was Re: Snippet: Tiny Featureless Ruby Web Server) — dblack@... 2002/10/29

Hi --

[#54517] Re: method-call style (was Re: Snippet: Tiny Featureless Ruby Web Server) — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/10/30

Bulat Ziganshin <bulatz@integ.ru> wrote:

[#54519] Re: method-call style (was Re: Snippet: Tiny Featureless Ruby Web Server) — dblack@... 2002/10/30

Hi --

[#54525] Re: method-call style (was Re: Snippet: Tiny Featureless Ruby Web Server) — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/10/30

dblack@candle.superlink.net wrote:

[#54527] Re: method-call style (was Re: Snippet: Tiny Featureless Ruby Web Server) — dblack@... 2002/10/30

Hi --

[#54280] exerb & fox-problem; converting gui-script to .exe on windows — Armin Roehrl <armin@...>

Hi,

12 messages 2002/10/28

[#54354] good link to read as we contemplate RAA, RAA.succ, et al — Pat Eyler <pate@...>

http://www.onlamp.com/pub/wlg/2225

28 messages 2002/10/29
[#54356] Re: good link to read as we contemplate RAA, RAA.succ, et al — dblack@... 2002/10/29

Hi --

[#54385] Re: good link to read as we contemplate RAA, RAA.succ, et al — " JamesBritt" <james@...> 2002/10/29

> Interesting. Simon (hi Simon!) is probably right that "Definitive

[#54421] want to meet Microsoft .NET guy? — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto)

Hi,

17 messages 2002/10/30

[#54449] feature idea: custom literals — loats205@... (loats205)

wouldn't it be cool if you could define custom literal representations for your

30 messages 2002/10/30
[#54459] Re: feature idea: custom literals — Peter Hickman <peter@...> 2002/10/30

loats205 wrote:

[#54476] Re: feature idea: custom literals — Nikodemus Siivola <tsiivola@...> 2002/10/30

Ruby.bah! (was Re: XMLParser, NQXML... and also RAA.succ)

From: Austin Ziegler <austin@...>
Date: 2002-10-23 04:46:43 UTC
List: ruby-talk #53902
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:01:59 +0900, Sean Chittenden wrote:
> Markus and I are working on rubydoc which is now able to
> automatically document the API and interface for libxml according
> to the rubydoc DTD. ...
[...]
> With libxslt, I'm working on the rubydoc CLI that will merge in 
hand
> written documentation (from an inline source or from an external
> rubydoc XML file) with the auto-generated document to form a 
complete
> map of the source, regardless of whether or not it is C module or
> written in Ruby.

Okay. This hits on perhaps my biggest frustration with Ruby right
now. I *love* this language. It makes sense in a way that I haven't
really found any other language to make sense ... BUT!

Perl has ONE documentation format, POD. It's old, it's ugly, and
it's a sumbitch to do anything "nice" with, but bedamned it WORKS.

Ruby, on the other hand, has two going on three different formats,
if I'm understanding what Sean is saying correctly. None of which,
by the way, appear to be compatible. Right now, if I want
documentation for a package, I have to keep rd2 and rdoc handy. I'd
probably have to keep rubydoc's CLI handy, too, but it's currently
vapour. I settled on rdoc for my personal documentation efforts
because it Just Works.

Similarly, there are no fewer than four packaging/installation
systems available or soon to be available: RubyGems, setup.rb, rpkg,
and (again, currently vapourous) rubynet. I'm sure I've missed one
or two. What I've settled on is a variant of what Dave includes with
rdoc, that might be one of the two variants included with setup.rb
-- but I'm not quite sure.

As to multiples of other functionality providers, I don't have as
much of an issue, except for the database libraries.[1] But
packaging/installation systems and documentation systems are
fundamentals. rd and rd2 are too limited? Fine. The same cannot be
said of rdoc. rdoc even understands other languages (including
Fortran95?!?!) so that documentation can be embedded in those
languages and produced cleanly. It supports -- at least
experimentally and I haven't been able to get it to work yet --
automatic diagram creation. Dave is quite responsive to suggestions,
and rdoc comments are very readable in and of themselves without
being formatted as HTML or anything else. Want to create PDFs
instead of HTML files? Write the appropriate generator and/or
template.

I'm *still* baffled as to why I should choose any particular
package/installation getup. Perl has, for the most part,
standardized on 'perl Make' or something like that which creates a
makefile which may or may not use autoconf as necessary. Of course,
this part gets into another issue that may be unique only to the
Windows port because there's such a variety of compilers, but it
would be nice if the setup tools for extensions requiring
compile-time efforts could be made to recognise that the local
compiler may not be the same as the package provider's compiler --
the same with the build directory (Andy's build directory begins on
drive t:, did anyone notice? (:

Yes, something better than the current RAA with its link-only form
is needed. Yes, rubynet might be a good choice for defining such a
concept. I also think that Simon Cozens might be right that we might
also be best off starting from CPAN and search.cpan and slowly but
surely rubyfying so that we have a proper CRAN/rubynet/whatEVER!

BTW, with respect to rubynet itself, I don't like the dot files. Why
not use an XML file format or YAML, if you want something
lighter-weight (I'm partial to YAML's simplicity, even though I'm
happily using REXML for an application that I've written locally).
IMO, there should be ONE file that describes a given project -- and
it's up to the rubynet server(s) to parse that file into the
appropriate meta-data. (Think PAD for Windows shareware or DIZ or
even RSS for that matter.)

-austin
[1] Perl standardized on DBI a while back, and I think that all of
    the various database libraries should merge in with Ruby's DBI
    effort so that there's a single database interface. It's too
    messy to make portable code, otherwise.
-- Austin Ziegler, austin@halostatue.ca on 2002.10.23 at 00.45.43




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