[#54640] bRuby? — Austin Ziegler <austin@...>

Can anyone explain to me what Yuya's package bRuby

16 messages 2002/11/01
[#54646] Re: bRuby? — Matt Gushee <mgushee@...> 2002/11/01

On Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 11:40:51AM +0900, Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#55128] Re: bRuby? (Yet another Ruby parser) — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson) 2002/11/07

In article <20021107151904lBE13F@ohmsha.co.jp>,

[#54839] rubyconf notes — Pat Eyler <pate@...>

On Saturday Night, I recommended that attendees of Ruby Conf send off

38 messages 2002/11/04
[#54881] Matz Roundtable Summary (was Re: rubyconf notes) — Paul Duncan <pabs@...> 2002/11/05

Below is my pieced together summary of matz's roundtable summary. It's

[#54862] A vision for Parrot — Daniel Pfeiffer <occitan@...>

Hi,

80 messages 2002/11/04

[#54889] PGP on the list (was: Re: Matz Roundtable Summary) — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net>

Paul Duncan (pabs@pablotron.org) wrote:

12 messages 2002/11/05

[#54906] Win32 support issues — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...>

<quote source="roundtable">

14 messages 2002/11/05

[#55091] PGP signatures — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...>

From: "Paul Duncan" <pabs@pablotron.org>

18 messages 2002/11/07

[#55149] Making Instace Variables Private/Local — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi Matz,

27 messages 2002/11/07

[#55221] CPAN Style installer — Tom Clarke <tom@...2i.com>

Hi all,

30 messages 2002/11/08
[#55233] Re: CPAN Style installer — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson) 2002/11/08

In article <Pine.LNX.4.44.0211071926160.7998-100000@localhost.localdomain>,

[#55241] Re: CPAN Style installer — Tom Clarke <tom@...2i.com> 2002/11/08

On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Phil Tomson wrote:

[#55290] Re: CPAN Style installer — " JamesBritt" <james@...> 2002/11/08

>

[#55291] Re: CPAN Style installer — tom <tom@...2i.com> 2002/11/08

On Sat, 9 Nov 2002, JamesBritt wrote:

[#55304] Re: CPAN Style installer — " JamesBritt" <james@...> 2002/11/08

> From: tom [mailto:tom@u2i.com]

[#55258] Beginner Question (Idiomatic way to subset an array — "Booth, Peter" <Peter.Booth@...>

I'm wondering if there is a more idiomatic way to do the following?

20 messages 2002/11/08
[#55261] Re: Beginner Question (Idiomatic way to subset an array — ahoward <ahoward@...> 2002/11/08

On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Booth, Peter wrote:

[#55268] return MyClass.new vs self.type.send :new — ahoward <ahoward@...> 2002/11/08

[#55361] Lighting Rod — Eric Armstrong <eric.armstrong@...>

I love Ruby's smalltalk features. I really do.

16 messages 2002/11/09

[#55369] Why use 'include' — Eric Schwartz <emschwar@...>

As requested, here's a FAQ question & answer on the usage of modules

13 messages 2002/11/09

[#55372] Random idea: Procedural CGI?? — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

I've been musing about something today,

17 messages 2002/11/09

[#55442] Recording of the Ruby segement on LL2 — Yohanes Santoso <ysantoso@...>

Hi all,

22 messages 2002/11/09

[#55461] www.ruby-doc.org — " JamesBritt" <james@...>

Jim Freeze's presentation at RubyConf 2002 mentioned, among other things, the

18 messages 2002/11/10

[#55563] EuRuKo: European Ruby conference — Armin Roehrl <armin@...>

Hi all,

15 messages 2002/11/11

[#55571] ruby-dev summary 18613-18710 — TAKAHASHI Masayoshi <maki@...>

Hi all,

26 messages 2002/11/11
[#55926] Re: ruby-dev summary 18613-18710 — timsuth@... (Tim Sutherland) 2002/11/15

In article <20021112020739J.maki@rubycolor.org>, TAKAHASHI Masayoshi wrote:

[#55929] Re: ruby-dev summary 18613-18710 — dblack@... 2002/11/15

Hi --

[#55955] Re: ruby-dev summary 18613-18710 — timsuth@... (Tim Sutherland) 2002/11/15

In article <Pine.LNX.4.44.0211142157370.25867-100000@candle.superlink.net>,

[#55750] Another Newbie question regarding instance variables? — montana <montana@...99.bsd.st>

The value of an instance variable is only available to the instance of the class, whereas the value of the class variable is available to all instances of the class? Is this correct?

10 messages 2002/11/13

[#55815] RubyConf 2002 Slides for FreeRIDE Presentation — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...>

I finally got the slides online from Rich Kilmer's FreeRIDE presentation at

40 messages 2002/11/14
[#55828] Re: RubyConf 2002 Slides for FreeRIDE Presentation — " JamesBritt" <james@...> 2002/11/14

>

[#55829] Re: RubyConf 2002 Slides for FreeRIDE Presentation — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2002/11/14

JamesBritt wrote:

[#56087] Re: RubyConf 2002 Slides for FreeRIDE Presentation — Robert McGovern <tarasis@...> 2002/11/17

Curt Hibbs wrote:

[#56088] Re: RubyConf 2002 Slides for FreeRIDE Presentation — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2002/11/17

Extensibility IN RUBY was the key thing for us. We wanted the IDE to be

[#55818] regex help — "Shashank Date" <sdate@...>

Using ruby 1.7.3 (2002-10-12) [i386-mswin32] on Win XP (Home)

14 messages 2002/11/14

[#55842] Ruby equivalent to Python's map()? — wolfoxbr@... (Roberto Amorim)

Hi...

18 messages 2002/11/14

[#56045] Not really a ruby question, but this is a smart group. Win32 file.write timing. — jcb@... (MetalOne)

I am trying to write non-compressed video to a file at 40 fps.

16 messages 2002/11/16

[#56119] ruby-dev summary 18711-18810 — Minero Aoki <aamine@...>

Hi all,

34 messages 2002/11/18

[#56131] identing ruby in vim — Maur兤io <briqueabraque@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2002/11/18

[#56158] install.rb/setup.rb question — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

I want to install a script that will be run as an executable which isn't a

26 messages 2002/11/18

[#56250] Need help dynamically creating classes. — pgregory@... (Paul Gregory)

I have a system at the moment where I create 'things' based on a base

11 messages 2002/11/19

[#56300] untainted, unfrozen, honest-to-god session data! — "Chris" <nemo@...>

Hello,

12 messages 2002/11/20

[#56376] Interpreted vs compiled [FAQ] defining methods anywhere — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>

Hello,

13 messages 2002/11/21
[#56378] Re: [FAQ] Interpreted vs compiled [FAQ] defining methods anywhere — "Iain 'Spoon' Truskett" <spoon-dated-1039065493.b360fd@...> 2002/11/21

* Daniel Carrera (dcarrera@math.umd.edu) [21 Nov 2002 16:07]:

[#56388] Ruby is too slow — jcb@... (MetalOne)

I have been writing some image processing algorithms that run on incoming

37 messages 2002/11/21

[#56440] Multiple constructors? — christopher.j.meisenzahl@...

18 messages 2002/11/21

[#56469] The ultimate Application — "Dat Nguyen" <thucdat@...>

13 messages 2002/11/21

[#56593] Ruby idom needed — Robert Cowham <rc@...>

What's the best ruby idiom for the following Perl:

23 messages 2002/11/24

[#56633] Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (11/24/02) — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

56 messages 2002/11/25
[#56679] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (11/24/02) — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/11/25

Hi,

[#56694] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (11/24/02) — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2002/11/26

From: "Simon Cozens" <simon@simon-cozens.org>

[#56695] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (11/24/02) — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...> 2002/11/26

[#56722] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (11/24/02) — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/11/26

On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:21:48 +0900, Daniel Carrera wrote:

[#56725] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (11/24/02) — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...> 2002/11/26

> It's applicable to a small subset of the total set of classes.

[#56726] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (11/24/02) — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2002/11/26

[#56729] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (11/24/02) — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...> 2002/11/26

[snip]

[#56738] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (11/24/02) — dblack@... 2002/11/26

Hi --

[#56744] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (11/24/02) — Jason Persampieri <helgaorg@...> 2002/11/26

> You're not changing the letter 'a' itself; you're

[#56764] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (11/24/02) — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2002/11/26

----- Original Message -----

[#56807] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (11/24/02) — Jason Persampieri <helgaorg@...> 2002/11/26

OK... I get it... I understood your argument (although

[#56812] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (11/24/02) — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/11/26

Jason Persampieri <helgaorg@yahoo.com> wrote:

[#56814] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (11/24/02) — dblack@... 2002/11/26

Hi --

[#56665] FXRuby on Mandrake 8.2 — Ludo <coquelle@...>

Hi, could someone help a beginner rubyer please ?

15 messages 2002/11/25

[#56708] Default value of property — Tim Bates <tim@...>

I have an object, with a method that returns another object, or nil under

20 messages 2002/11/26

[#56719] each_with_index & collect_with_index? — Tim Bates <tim@...>

Array.each (and others) have an alternative .each_index which passes the index

34 messages 2002/11/26
[#56734] Re: each_with_index & collect_with_index? — dblack@... 2002/11/26

Hi --

[#56800] Re: each_with_index & collect_with_index? — Gordon Miller <gmiller@...> 2002/11/26

> As for the second.... I recently appointed myself President of

[#56845] Re: each_with_index & collect_with_index? — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...> 2002/11/27

Gordon Miller (gmiller@promisemark.com) wrote:

[#56849] Re: each_with_index & collect_with_index? — Jason Persampieri <helgaorg@...> 2002/11/27

> It would be really cool if, instead of having a

[#56851] Re: each_with_index & collect_with_index? — dblack@... 2002/11/27

Hi --

[#56772] RCR: Stack, Queue alias methods in Array — Martin DeMello <martindemello@...>

Rationale: Ruby arrays can be easily used as stacks and queues, but it's

46 messages 2002/11/26
[#56793] Re: RCR: Stack, Queue alias methods in Array — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/11/26

Hi,

[#56797] Re: RCR: Stack, Queue alias methods in Array — Nikodemus Siivola <tsiivola@...> 2002/11/26

[#56967] call-by-reference problem again — Shannon Fang <xrfang@...>

Hi there,

23 messages 2002/11/27
[#56970] Re: call-by-reference problem again — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/11/27

Shannon Fang <xrfang@hotmail.com> wrote:

[#56972] Re: call-by-reference problem again — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2002/11/27

William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@y.glue.umd.edu> writes:

[#57146] Ruby ++, the one element and generators — "MikkelFJ" <mikkelfj-anti-spam@...>

21 messages 2002/11/30

[#57172] Numerical Ruby — Olivier Saut <Olivier.Saut@...>

Hi all,

14 messages 2002/11/30

Thoughts on Ruby

From: Enric Lafont <enric@1smart.com>
Date: 2002-11-03 01:57:29 UTC
List: ruby-talk #54714
Hi all,

I'm a Ruby newbie, and I'm reading now "the ruby way" and reading this 
book some comments make me think.
I've a strong  Smalltalk heritage,  so I'm somewhat biassed.

I would like to know...

Why does common operators like "=" , "and", " .." , "or"  etc ... can 
not be overloaded or redefined ?, maybe the complexity of the Ruby 
parser comes from the fact that everything is ALMOST an object or a 
method. Why is not "=" a method ? Same question for "and" and the rest 
of operators that can not be redefined, Does the actual implementation 
make life easier for the designer ? I say so because for me is more 
natural when everything is an object (without exceptions, here Ruby 
follows the rule pretty well) and a method is a method ever, not 
sometimes. Some methods are keywords, and some other are not v.g. loop 
vs. while. The every call is a method could simplify greatly the sintax 
parser (look at the Smalltalk parser).

Why  primitives are hidden ? In smalltalk you can call a primitive every 
time you want with a  <primitive: aNumber> , this way the implementation 
of native methods, and in some way native Classes like String are not 
hidden from the programmer, freeing the programmer to change the 
behaviour if needed. Yes you can have the "required" clause and use 
binary libraries, but would not be much more "natural" to have a 
"require string" when you want to invoque string libraries instead of 
having them loaded all the time ?. I want to say here that the 
"primitive" keyword frees the language from it's implementation. This 
favours the everything is a module aproach.

Sintax Sugar (SS), other thing difficult to understand for me, the 
question here is why ? Everything has exceptions very few things are 
orthogonal with the principe that must drive it, you can wite a.+(3) or 
a + 3 or a.+ 3 or a hundred other ways to write the same thing, yes, 
this gives you freedom, but a bad deserved (not needed) one. I use one 
form, but when I read programs from other persons the code seems strange 
and somewhat dificult to read. Sometimes SS is right, v.g. x +=1, but 
the every call is a method aproach could give you the same results 
without trouble, in this case += could  be a method. As could be "++" or 
others.

Undeclared variables, I don't know other people but I do fast typing and 
writing  "aVariable" and "aVariabel" is a mistake that I can do very 
easily. Yes you can say, type more slowly, but this is not a solution, I 
would like to have a way to force the compiler to generate a warning 
when I use a non pre-declared (or pre asigned) variable.

Why are Strings arrays of integers ? aString[0] is an integer, yes, it's 
the way it is, but I would like to have String as an array of chars, and 
char if you want as a descendant of Integer (nice election because a 
Unicode String is and array of double chars i.e. integer), I don't know 
you, but for me aString[i].chr =='x' is somewhat unnatural, because it 
breaks the semantic of a String, so it's not intuitive for me.

Why is Ruby an interpreter ? Yes the less traditional bytecode aproach, 
can be harder (or not), but enables external optimizations more easily 
(JIT and similars) because the language are separated from the 
implementation, enables reduced footprint and gives faster execution 
times, yes, look at how Self executes programs, it's amazingly fast (and 
incredibly complex also), but a separated implementation could help 
develop better Ruby-engines.

Don't get me wrong, I understand that Ruby is a young language that 
needs some maturing, and I love how easy is to learn, it's dinamicity 
and the fact that is a kind of mix between my loved Smalltalk, Self and 
other languages. In fact I'm writing this because I want to understand 
Ruby better and becasue I want to make some suggestions for future 
releases, maybe Mr. Matsumoto would like to consider some of them

There are more things that I see as strange in Ruby, but this is enought 
for now .....

Please if I've make any inaccuracy , don't be too rude with me, I'm 
still learning, and I've a loooong way before understand everyting. I'm 
just looking for answers.

Enric



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