From: Jostein Berntsen Date: 2002-11-09T03:35:37+09:00 Subject: Re: Thoughts on Ruby lack of IDE We're all looking forward to take a good look at that. :) Until now Emacs has fulfilled my needs as an IDE, but Ruby could surely use a complete environment for application development. Something else: Both Python and Perl are good at helping out beginners by offering them easy tutorials and mailing lists like these: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor http://groups.yahoo.com/group/perl-beginner/ To me it seems that Ruby by now does not have anything like this for the beginners, who might could be thinking of Ruby as a first language to learn. I know there is room for beginners to ask questions at Ruby-talk, but I believe many can feel intimidated to ask on more easy things on a list with many people on such a high technical level. That is at least my experience from some years ago, when I started out programming in other languages, that I started with the beginners lists and 'graduated' up the main lists after gaining competence. I think if Ruby is not offering more like this to the newbies, it will remain a language for people migrating from other languages. Regards, Jostein On Tuesday 05 November 2002 18:24, Curt Hibbs wrote: > Brad Cox wrote: > > It is a sign of my hybrid Objective-C background, no doubt, but I > > don't find Ruby's hybrid nature at all disturbing. Language purists > > are free to disagree. > > > > What does seem like substantial deficiency is the absence of a real > > integrated development environment for Ruby. The early Smalltalk > > articles were quite specific that this is the main reason for its > > productivity. > > Please check out FreeRIDE at http://www.rubyide.org > > FreeRIDE has some pretty lofty goals. We've got quite a ways to go, but we > have a solid foundation in place in which we can build out the IDE with > modular plugins. > > We tried very hard to get a first release out by Nov 1 for the Ruby > Conference, and we almost made it. The version in CVS currently works very > well under Linux, but we still have one last problem work out with the > debugger under Windows. We hope to have tarballs and zip files available > for download within a couple weeks (the CVS version is always available). > > Curt > > > What isn't clear the extend of coupling between simplicity of the > > language and the IDE implementation, learing GUI portability issues > > aside. Look at Java IDEs for example; they are HUGE, whereas > > Smalltalk+IDE was reasonably small. > > -- > > > > Brad Cox, PhD; bcox@virtualschool.edu 703 361 4751 > > http://virtualschool.edu > o For industrial age goods there were checks and credit cards. > For everything else there is http://virtualschool.edu/mybank > o Java Web Application Architecture: http://virtualschool.edu/jwaa > o Ruby Interactive Learning Environment http://virtualschool.edu/ile > o Support Israel and Palestine: http://virtualschool.edu/mideast