[#227503] open-uril ECONNREFUSED problem — Cyrus Ghalambor <cyrusg@...>

I'm working on a simple scraping tool and the open() method has suddenly

12 messages 2006/12/01

[#227527] Gateway is malfunctioning — "Trans" <transfire@...>

Someone recently mentioned missing posts. I just did a comparsion of

31 messages 2006/12/01

[#227574] Turtle Graphics (#104) — Ruby Quiz <james@...>

The three rules of Ruby Quiz:

37 messages 2006/12/01
[#227598] Re: [QUIZ] Turtle Graphics (#104) — "Harold Hausman" <hhausman@...> 2006/12/01

On 12/1/06, Ruby Quiz <james@grayproductions.net> wrote:

[#227606] Re: [QUIZ] Turtle Graphics (#104) — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2006/12/01

On Dec 1, 2006, at 9:42 AM, Harold Hausman wrote:

[#227620] Re: [QUIZ] Turtle Graphics (#104) — "Harold Hausman" <hhausman@...> 2006/12/01

On 12/2/06, James Edward Gray II <james@grayproductions.net> wrote:

[#227661] Re: [QUIZ] Turtle Graphics (#104) — Daniel Martin <martin@...> 2006/12/01

"Harold Hausman" <hhausman@gmail.com> writes:

[#227670] Re: [QUIZ] Turtle Graphics (#104) — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2006/12/01

On Dec 1, 2006, at 3:44 PM, Daniel Martin wrote:

[#227682] Re: tk.rb warning in Turtle Graphics (#104) — Edwin Fine <efine145-nospam01@...> 2006/12/02

/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/tk.rb:1187: warning: instance variable

[#227713] Re: tk.rb warning in Turtle Graphics (#104) — Morton Goldberg <m_goldberg@...> 2006/12/02

On Dec 1, 2006, at 7:22 PM, Edwin Fine wrote:

[#227630] Simple iteration in a function problem — Blake Miller <blakeage@...>

i'm trying to do this, and I'm stuck

34 messages 2006/12/01

[#227702] calculations on lists of numbers — ara.t.howard@...

38 messages 2006/12/02

[#227739] openssl error - ubuntu — "Chad" <carimura@...>

Help!

27 messages 2006/12/02
[#227741] Re: openssl error - ubuntu — Jose francisco Gonzalez carmona <pgonzalez@...> 2006/12/02

[#227787] Re: openssl error - ubuntu — "Chad" <carimura@...> 2006/12/02

Absolutely... I'm not a linux expert though, but I have a feeling

[#227822] Re: openssl error - ubuntu — "Chad" <carimura@...> 2006/12/02

I finally figured it out.

[#305614] Re: openssl error - ubuntu — James George <james@...> 2008/06/19

Thanks a lot pal, it worked perfectly for me too. I had the same openssl

[#305645] Re: openssl error - ubuntu — Marc Heiler <shevegen@...> 2008/06/19

So much for distribution's package managers making your life easier,

[#227801] comma separating output from array.to_s — "jansenh" <henning.jansen@...>

hi comp.lang.ruby

18 messages 2006/12/02

[#227819] Factory pattern, abstract base class — "Daniel Berger" <djberg96@...>

Hi all,

16 messages 2006/12/02

[#227839] Why does a test fail when I predicted it's exception class? — "Richard" <RichardDummyMailbox58407@...>

Hi,

10 messages 2006/12/03

[#227857] File.size() returning negative for large files ???? — "Greg Hauptmann" <greg.hauptmann.ruby@...>

Hi,

13 messages 2006/12/03
[#227859] Re: File.size() returning negative for large files ???? — Damjan Rems <d_rems@...> 2006/12/03

Greg Hauptmann wrote:

[#227860] I'm a new member — "Quỳnh Trần" <quynh_khanh2002@...>

Hi evrybody!

16 messages 2006/12/03

[#227873] Simple and stuppid bug (can anyone find it?) — "paul" <pjvleeuwen@...>

Hi all,

13 messages 2006/12/03

[#227979] method overloading like Java? — Daniel Finnie <danfinnie@...>

In Java, you could write the following code:

12 messages 2006/12/04

[#228031] Question about Ruby philosophy — Zouplaz <user@...>

Hello, when I compare Ruby to Java there is something I don't understand .

46 messages 2006/12/04
[#228134] Re: Question about Ruby philosophy — "Max Muermann" <ruby@...> 2006/12/05

On 12/4/06, Zouplaz <user@domain.invalid> wrote:

[#228047] replace delimiter in unicode encdoded file — "ciapecki" <ciapecki@...>

Is there a way in ruby to:

20 messages 2006/12/04

[#228127] How do I catch a missing method on a passed block? — "J2M" <james2mccarthy@...>

I would like to invoke method_missing on baz in this code;

34 messages 2006/12/04
[#228211] Re: How do I catch a missing method on a passed block? — Daniel Schierbeck <daniel.schierbeck@...> 2006/12/05

On Tue, 2006-12-05 at 08:04 +0900, J2M wrote:

[#228213] Re: How do I catch a missing method on a passed block? — Logan Capaldo <logancapaldo@...> 2006/12/05

On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 11:54:06PM +0900, Daniel Schierbeck wrote:

[#228266] md5 function in Ruby — Denys Yakhnenko <dyakhnenko@...>

Hello all:

14 messages 2006/12/05

[#228273] Lisp comprehensions => SQL — "Victor \"Zverok\" Shepelev" <vshepelev@...>

Hi all.

24 messages 2006/12/05

[#228352] Newbie: working with a text file and converting to xml — Adam Teale <ateale@...>

hi Guys,

12 messages 2006/12/06

[#228379] Calling super in overwritten methods — Joerg Diekmann <joergd@...>

Hi - not sure if this is possible - but it feels like it could be with

12 messages 2006/12/06

[#228380] join_with — "Martin DeMello" <martindemello@...>

While golfing with the hex_ip thread, I realised that map takes no

33 messages 2006/12/06
[#229469] map taking an argument (was: Re: join_with) — dblack@... 2006/12/13

Hi --

[#228422] invasive parameters as method mode variables — "Trans" <transfire@...>

Working on a method where I would like one part of it's operations to

15 messages 2006/12/06

[#228605] Show your support for Rubinius! — "Sam Smoot" <ssmoot@...>

(I hope you don't mind a bit of cross-posting, but seeing as how the

17 messages 2006/12/07
[#228613] Re: Show your support for Rubinius! — "Tim Pease" <tim.pease@...> 2006/12/07

On 12/7/06, Sam Smoot <ssmoot@gmail.com> wrote:

[#228618] Re: Show your support for Rubinius! — "Brian Mitchell" <binary42@...> 2006/12/07

On 12/7/06, Tim Pease <tim.pease@gmail.com> wrote:

[#228620] Re: Show your support for Rubinius! — "Wilson Bilkovich" <wilsonb@...> 2006/12/07

On 12/7/06, Brian Mitchell <binary42@gmail.com> wrote:

[#228622] Re: Show your support for Rubinius! — benjohn@... 2006/12/07

I'd like to know more about Rubinius, but all the info I've got on it

[#228628] Array changing after concat function — WKC CCC <wai-kee.chung@...>

Can someone shed some light on this problem. In the example, I am

17 messages 2006/12/07

[#228716] Am I missing something about BER-compressed integer? — "Francis Cianfrocca" <garbagecat10@...>

All:

12 messages 2006/12/08

[#228738] Tournament Matchups (#105) — Ruby Quiz <james@...>

The three rules of Ruby Quiz:

23 messages 2006/12/08

[#228875] Ruby Core + Php FrontEnd (open) — Flaab Mrlinux <flaab_mrlinux@...>

Good afternoon everyone.

13 messages 2006/12/09

[#228945] format problem — chen li <chen_li3@...>

Hi all,

23 messages 2006/12/10

[#229119] else inside rescue is useless? — "cap" <capitain@...>

http://www.awprofessional.com/bookstore/product.asp?isbn=0672328844&rl=1

20 messages 2006/12/11

[#229122] Newbie questions — Dav Jones <kakaze@...21.com>

Hello, I'm quite new to this whole Ruby malarky and I'm having some real

15 messages 2006/12/11

[#229244] Re: Ruby for Kids? — "Jeff_M" <JeffMcGrath@...>

18 messages 2006/12/12

[#229350] C => Ruby plus TCP serialization using Marshal.dump/load — "Nathan Baker" <nathanb@...>

Hey,

12 messages 2006/12/12

[#229351] - Bible 1.0.1 - A bible reference parsing and text retrieval tool — "Justin Bailey" <jgbailey@...>

All,

13 messages 2006/12/12

[#229397] Restricted capture in Regexp — benjohn@...

Is there a regexp feature that lets me require something to be present

16 messages 2006/12/13

[#229398] How to improve my Ruby skills ? — Zouplaz <user@...>

Hello there... Like many others I've discovered Ruby when I started

11 messages 2006/12/13

[#229467] Net::Ldap question — Eduardo Y瘻ez Parareda <eduardo.yanezNOSPAM@...>

Hello, I'm trying this plugin in a rails app and think I need some help.

13 messages 2006/12/13
[#229486] Re: Net::Ldap question — Eduardo Y瘻ez Parareda <eduardo.yanezNOSPAM@...> 2006/12/13

Hehe, sorry again. I've reading documentation of this library and already know

[#229514] Re: Net::Ldap question — "Francis Cianfrocca" <garbagecat10@...> 2006/12/13

On 12/13/06, Eduardo Y瘻ez Parareda <eduardo.yanezNOSPAM@nospamgmail.com> wrote:

[#229511] Random idea - private, blocks, constants — "Daniel Berger" <djberg96@...>

Hi all,

14 messages 2006/12/13

[#229598] CTI Corporativo auto responses — "Daniel Berger" <djberg96@...>

All,

14 messages 2006/12/14

[#229600] Swap contents in two files — Christopher Latif <christopherl@...>

I have two files, I want to swap the contents of the files in my

17 messages 2006/12/14

[#229763] Chess960 (#106) — Ruby Quiz <james@...>

The three rules of Ruby Quiz:

33 messages 2006/12/15

[#229883] ZenTest autotest problems — Zouplaz <user@...>

Hello, I have big troubles using the latest autotest version (3.4.2)

11 messages 2006/12/16
[#229985] Re: ZenTest autotest problems — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2006/12/17

On Dec 16, 2006, at 01:40, Zouplaz wrote:

[#229990] Re: ZenTest autotest problems — Zouplaz <user@...> 2006/12/17

le 17/12/2006 07:43, Eric Hodel nous a dit:

[#230118] Re: ZenTest autotest problems — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2006/12/18

On Dec 17, 2006, at 24:55, Zouplaz wrote:

[#229906] Just some Ruby language ideas, comments wanted. — Daniel Finnie <danfinnie@...>

My first Ruby language idea is simple. Instead of having every method

13 messages 2006/12/16

[#229917] does Ruby generate WINDOWS and dialog boxes? — "Ken Laninga" <personal@...>

I just heard about Ruby and it looks fascinating. I see lots of code being

60 messages 2006/12/16
[#229967] Re: does Ruby generate WINDOWS and dialog boxes? — "Richard" <RichardDummyMailbox58407@...> 2006/12/17

[#229968] Re: does Ruby generate WINDOWS and dialog boxes? — David Vallner <david@...> 2006/12/17

Richard wrote:

[#229973] Re: does Ruby generate WINDOWS and dialog boxes? — "Richard" <RichardDummyMailbox58407@...> 2006/12/17

[#230007] Re: does Ruby generate WINDOWS and dialog boxes? — David Vallner <david@...> 2006/12/17

Richard wrote:

[#230065] Re: does Ruby generate WINDOWS and dialog boxes? — "Richard" <RichardDummyMailbox58407@...> 2006/12/17

> Odds are it Just Won't unless you only

[#230073] Re: does Ruby generate WINDOWS and dialog boxes? — David Vallner <david@...> 2006/12/17

Richard wrote:

[#230127] Re: does Ruby generate WINDOWS and dialog boxes? — "Richard" <RichardDummyMailbox58407@...> 2006/12/18

Disclaimer: All my assertions about Ruby, Rails, WEBrick and MySQL are

[#229922] Re: does Ruby generate WINDOWS and dialog boxes? — David Vallner <david@...> 2006/12/16

Ken Laninga wrote:

[#229939] Re: does Ruby generate WINDOWS and dialog boxes? — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2006/12/16

David Vallner wrote:

[#229961] Re: does Ruby generate WINDOWS and dialog boxes? — Suraj Kurapati <snk@...> 2006/12/17

Joel VanderWerf wrote:

[#230008] Grabbing data off a webpage — Bil Kleb <Bil.Kleb@...>

OK, so I haven't done this in years.

12 messages 2006/12/17

[#230011] Ruby IDE — <adaworks@...>

I am new to Ruby, but I have used a lot of other

24 messages 2006/12/17

[#230089] Question regarding threads and I/O — "Michael W. Ryder" <_mwryder@...>

I am a veteran programmer but still am trying to learn Ruby. In the

14 messages 2006/12/17
[#230094] Re: Question regarding threads and I/O — Logan Capaldo <logancapaldo@...> 2006/12/18

On Mon, Dec 18, 2006 at 08:55:10AM +0900, Michael W. Ryder wrote:

[#230147] Problem installing Ruby/Tk — Christopher Latif <christopherl@...>

Installed Linux

14 messages 2006/12/18

[#230256] where have all the experienced users gone? — "Trans" <transfire@...>

seems like there's been a steady drop off in experienced ruby users on

63 messages 2006/12/19
[#230284] Re: [OT] where have all the experienced users gone? — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2006/12/19

On Dec 18, 2006, at 18:50, Trans wrote:

[#230327] Re: [OT] where have all the experienced users gone? — Jeremy Wells <jwells@...> 2006/12/19

Eric Hodel wrote:

[#230332] Re: [OT] where have all the experienced users gone? — "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@...> 2006/12/19

On 12/19/06, Jeremy Wells <jwells@servalsystems.co.uk> wrote:

[#230350] Re: [OT] where have all the experienced users gone? — "Jeremy McAnally" <jeremymcanally@...> 2006/12/19

I think it's also important that we all realize that we use mailing

[#230423] Re: [OT] where have all the experienced users gone? — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2006/12/19

On Dec 19, 2006, at 7:52 AM, Jeremy McAnally wrote:

[#230322] Re: where have all the experienced users gone? — "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@...> 2006/12/19

On 12/19/06, Trans <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:

[#230507] Re: where have all the experienced users gone? — "Simon Strandgaard" <neoneye@...> 2006/12/20

On 12/19/06, Robert Dober <robert.dober@gmail.com> wrote:

[#230514] Re: where have all the experienced users gone? — "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@...> 2006/12/20

On 12/20/06, Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@gmail.com> wrote:

[#230295] string of strings... — Josselin <josselin@...>

I got an array of id's :

13 messages 2006/12/19

[#230328] compare two objects without take its ID in consideration — Lobosque Lucas <floyd_u2@...>

Is there a way to compare two objects without take its ID in

17 messages 2006/12/19

[#230450] ruby gotchas — Mark Guzman <segfault@...>

I've written up some ruby gotchas that have come up while using ruby.

16 messages 2006/12/19

[#230548] tricky sort for happy visitors of Paris — Josselin <josselin@...>

all happy visitors of Paris know about the 'arrondissement', an

20 messages 2006/12/20

[#230588] openssl on Red Hat not installed — Hueen Hueen <hueen@...>

So I'm one of the unlucky ones that don't have openssl properly

17 messages 2006/12/20

[#230602] Regexp Question: Checking for [joe][/joe] pairs — Joe Peck <joe@...>

Hey, I've got some text in @x and want there to be at least 1 and at

21 messages 2006/12/20

[#230648] Who's maintaining log4r? — jeffz_2002@...

Does anyone know who's maintaining the log4r project? The website at

29 messages 2006/12/20

[#230650] Searching Stings with Arrays? — Phil Cooperking <phil@...>

Hi, I've been having a little problem with this. most of my ruby is from

14 messages 2006/12/20

[#230755] Remove Ruby 1.8.5? — Christopher Latif <christopherl@...>

How do I remove Ruby 1.8.5 from linux? I have built it from source.

20 messages 2006/12/21
[#230874] Re: Remove Ruby 1.8.5? — David Vallner <david@...> 2006/12/21

M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:

[#230879] Re: Remove Ruby 1.8.5? — Vincent Fourmond <vincent.fourmond@9online.fr> 2006/12/21

David Vallner wrote:

[#230792] Method named ***(other) — Julien Gaugaz <gaugaz@...3s.de>

Hi!

15 messages 2006/12/21
[#230799] Re: Method named ***(other) — "Vidar Hokstad" <vidar.hokstad@...> 2006/12/21

[#230829] Ruby's Trac Alternative — Bil Kleb <Bil.Kleb@...>

So I'm trying to use Trac for our FUN3D development,

27 messages 2006/12/21

[#230853] External Ruby Script in HTML — Naked Sushi <runfaster@...>

This probably has a simple answer, but I don't know it.

17 messages 2006/12/21

[#230869] Ruby replacement for ab? — Mat Schaffer <schapht@...>

So I've been hunting for a way to stress test a web application and

17 messages 2006/12/21

[#230983] Merry (slightly early) Christmas! Mr. Neighborly's Humble Little Ruby Book is free! — "Jeremy McAnally" <jeremymcanally@...>

Hello all,

15 messages 2006/12/22

[#231056] Question: Downloading files with open(-uri)? — Mariano Kamp <mariano.kamp@...>

Hi,

16 messages 2006/12/23

[#231072] Help with a ruby idiom — Tim Waters <timgwaters@...>

From the O'Reilly Cookbook there is code that keeps call functions in a

16 messages 2006/12/23

[#231181] Hpricot ri and rdoc documentation — "bbiker" <renard@...>

I have gem installed Hpricot-0.4 (mswin32) but no ri documentation or

15 messages 2006/12/24

[#231198] A problem about replacing a string in a template. — Kuang Dong <kuangdong@...>

File 1: test.tpl

13 messages 2006/12/25

[#231277] Newby - how to round up floating point number? — Dermot Moynihan <der_moyn@...>

Hi guys

14 messages 2006/12/26

[#231303] Hash with two identical keys? — "Trans" <transfire@...>

>From Facets' multiton.rb (which is primarily Floran Franks' work), I'm

15 messages 2006/12/26

[#231341] Peculiar Behavior for a Newby to Undertstand — Charles A Gray <smgspices@...>

I created a class for prime numbers as so:

14 messages 2006/12/27

[#231377] How to do TDD in Ruby? — mekondelta <Chris.Melikian@...>

15 messages 2006/12/27

[#231385] newbie with a weird technical problem (@ least I think it's weird) — "will" <will.graduate@...>

Yep, as the post title implies, I'm a newbie. Being a pragmatic newbie

10 messages 2006/12/27

[#231436] Handling of arbitrary length arrays in arguments to printf builtin — Nick Pavey <nick@...>

Hi Folks,

13 messages 2006/12/27
[#231437] Re: Handling of arbitrary length arrays in arguments to printf builtin — Timothy Hunter <TimHunter@...> 2006/12/27

Nick Pavey wrote:

[#231462] Higher-Order Procedures Tutorial (long) — "Nate Murray" <jashmenn@...>

Hey Guys,

16 messages 2006/12/28

[#231494] Strip is not stripping trailing whitespace — Taylor Strait <taylorstrait@...>

I have files with city names which have one or two trailing whitespaces:

14 messages 2006/12/28

[#231595] What we have here is a retard pretending to be a computer scientist — atbusbook@...

http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~scg/Archive/Papers/Scha04bOOEncapsulation.pdf

14 messages 2006/12/29
[#231602] Paper on strong Object Oriented Encapsulation (Was: some subject with needless insults) — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2006/12/29

On Dec 28, 2006, at 16:05, atbusbook@aol.com wrote:

[#231610] Re: Paper on strong Object Oriented Encapsulation (Was: some subject with needless insults) — "Jeff" <cohen.jeff@...> 2006/12/29

Eric Hodel wrote:

[#231686] how to properly format data when using TCPSocket.send() — Nathan Taylor <onebitcipher@...>

It would be greatly appreciated if someone would clue me in to what I am

12 messages 2006/12/29

[#231726] Methods validating their arguments: good or bad? — Michael Judge <mjudge@...>

15 messages 2006/12/29

[#231763] how to lex javascript for an assert_js system? — Phlip <phlip2005@...>

Ruboids:

14 messages 2006/12/30

[#231785] Proposal to create a new mailing list — Daniel Schierbeck <daniel.schierbeck@...>

Hello fellow Rubyphilics!

31 messages 2006/12/30

[#231801] Little Things — "Trans" <transfire@...>

I was a bit surprised about Matz mention of the little things in his

164 messages 2006/12/30
[#231848] Re: Little Things — Daniel Schierbeck <daniel.schierbeck@...> 2006/12/30

I mostly agree, with some of the additions of course being more

[#231882] Re: Little Things — dblack@... 2006/12/31

Hi --

[#231888] Re: Little Things — "Trans" <transfire@...> 2006/12/31

[#231893] Re: Little Things — Devin Mullins <twifkak@...> 2006/12/31

Trans wrote:

[#231898] Re: Little Things — "Rob Sanheim" <rsanheim@...> 2006/12/31

On 12/31/06, Devin Mullins <twifkak@comcast.net> wrote:

[#232438] Re: Little Things — Paulo Kh <paulo.koch@...> 2007/01/03

On 2006/12/31, at 07:38, Rob Sanheim wrote:

[#232439] Re: Little Things — ara.t.howard@... 2007/01/03

On Thu, 4 Jan 2007, [ISO-8859-1] Paulo Kh wrote:

[#232449] Re: Little Things — "Trans" <transfire@...> 2007/01/03

[#232451] Re: Little Things — ara.t.howard@... 2007/01/03

On Thu, 4 Jan 2007, Trans wrote:

[#232496] Re: Little Things — "Trans" <transfire@...> 2007/01/04

[#232501] Re: Little Things — ara.t.howard@... 2007/01/04

On Thu, 4 Jan 2007, Trans wrote:

[#232502] Re: Little Things — dblack@... 2007/01/04

Hi --

[#232503] Re: Little Things — ara.t.howard@... 2007/01/04

On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 dblack@wobblini.net wrote:

[#232544] Re: Little Things — Devin Mullins <twifkak@...> 2007/01/04

ara.t.howard@noaa.gov wrote:

[#232547] Re: Little Things — "Trans" <transfire@...> 2007/01/04

[#232571] Re: Little Things — Devin Mullins <twifkak@...> 2007/01/04

Trans wrote:

[#232587] Re: Little Things — "Trans" <transfire@...> 2007/01/04

[#232602] Re: Little Things — ara.t.howard@... 2007/01/04

On Thu, 4 Jan 2007, Trans wrote:

[#232615] Re: Little Things — "Trans" <transfire@...> 2007/01/04

[#232616] Re: Little Things — dblack@... 2007/01/04

Hi --

[#232619] Re: Little Things — ara.t.howard@... 2007/01/04

On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 dblack@wobblini.net wrote:

[#232626] Re: Little Things — dblack@... 2007/01/04

Hi --

[#232631] Re: Little Things — ara.t.howard@... 2007/01/04

On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 dblack@wobblini.net wrote:

[#232638] Re: Little Things — "Chris Carter" <cdcarter@...> 2007/01/04

On 1/4/07, ara.t.howard@noaa.gov <ara.t.howard@noaa.gov> wrote:

[#232650] Pervasive Methods [was: Little Things] — "Trans" <transfire@...> 2007/01/04

[#232652] Re: Pervasive Methods [was: Little Things] — ara.t.howard@... 2007/01/04

On Fri, 5 Jan 2007, Trans wrote:

[#232653] Re: Pervasive Methods [was: Little Things] — "Tim Pease" <tim.pease@...> 2007/01/04

On 1/4/07, ara.t.howard@noaa.gov <ara.t.howard@noaa.gov> wrote:

[#232656] Re: Pervasive Methods [was: Little Things] — ara.t.howard@... 2007/01/04

On Fri, 5 Jan 2007, Tim Pease wrote:

[#232657] Re: Pervasive Methods [was: Little Things] — "Trans" <transfire@...> 2007/01/04

[#232659] Re: Pervasive Methods [was: Little Things] — ara.t.howard@... 2007/01/04

On Fri, 5 Jan 2007, Trans wrote:

[#231932] Re: Little Things — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2006/12/31

Hi,

[#231821] Newbie: It works, how can I make it better? — Jay Bornhoft <jbornhoft@...>

I wrote this little prog giving the user two choices.

13 messages 2006/12/30

[#231938] Re: Status of Cardinal (was Re: Proposal to create a new mailing list) — "Francis Cianfrocca" <garbagecat10@...>

I'm not jumping back into this in a big way, since it's obvious

11 messages 2006/12/31

[#231941] Mini-RCR: Extra Argument for Array#join — James Edward Gray II <james@...>

I've been looking at the to_sentence() method in Rails. It's

17 messages 2006/12/31

[#231946] Open source credit card processing in ruby — snacktime <snacktime@...>

Just recently I have the option to open source a credit card

12 messages 2006/12/31
[#231956] Re: Open source credit card processing in ruby — "Francis Cianfrocca" <garbagecat10@...> 2006/12/31

On 12/31/06, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky <znmeb@cesmail.net> wrote:

[#231951] Re: Status of Cardinal (was Re: Proposal to create a new mailing list) — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...>

Robert Dober wrote:

9 messages 2006/12/31

Comments on ObjectiveView issue 9 (no, I'm not a spambot)

From: "Mark Collins-Cope" <markcollinscope@...>
Date: 2006-12-12 14:50:10 UTC
List: ruby-talk #229293
Hi there,

My name is Mark Collins-Cope, I'm editor of ObjectiveView. I'm writing
this message as I'm concerned at some of the comments I've read in the
"New! ObjectiveView #9" message thread in September. Personal integrity
demands that I respond.

(thread -
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/comp.lang.ruby/browse_thread/thread/8956d15996b8493c/03b7993c60022529?lnk=st&q=objectiveview&rnum=1&hl=en#03b7993c60022529
)

Summary - (written after I replied below) - see the original message
thread afterwards - which I have commented on the points raised!

* zoat (the original poster) is not connected to ObjectiveView - so
don't slag off the mag because of
  him.
* zoat may be a spambot, but seems unlikely given limited posting
history and message contents
  (see below)
* I (Mark Collins-Cope) produce ObjectiveView basically on my own. In
spare time. For no money.
* ObjectiveView is meant to be a vehicle for discussing issues relevent
to software development.
* I try to cover all issues from different angles (pro and anti) e.g.
issue 10 of OV contains a anti-ruby opinion piece. Issue 9 contained
two pro-ruby articles.
* In 8 years I have never made a penny from OV directly. It's a
"community venture/collaboration."
* I'm a software engineer, and am personally interested in the topics
covered. Oh, and I sometimes develop in Ruby.
---

All 9 messages in topic are listed below. My comments are bracketed
[*** like this ***]. I'm happy to discuss this further with anyone if
they want to.

From:		zoat - view profile
Date:		Mon 25 Sep 2006 07:57
Issue #9 of ObjectiveView [pdf], a highly respected on-line journal has
a sort of Ruby Special: lots of articles devoted to Ruby, and Ruby on
Rails.
http://www.ratio.co.uk/objectiveview.html
http://www.ratio.co.uk/ov9pdf.pdf

[*** I don't know who Zoat is, but I'm obviously happy that someone
thought OV9 was worthy of putting on a newsgroup. So thanks Zoat! ***]

From:		William Crawford - view profile
Date:		 Mon 25 Sep 2006 12:27
Email: 		William Crawford <wccrawf...@gmail.com>
Groups:        comp.lang.ruby
zoat wrote:
> Issue #9 of ObjectiveView [pdf], a highly respected on-line journal has

I'm not trying to troll, but calling something 'highly respected' while
advertising it has exactly the opposite effect of what you intend.

[*** I agree this is not a good technique, however I didn't post the
message. Perhaps that's Zoat's opinion - presumably he's allowed to
express that? NOTE: Zoat is not connected to ObjectiveView directly,
and he has nothing to gain by his comments - qed we must consider them
his genuine opinion??? ***]

As for the issue...  Yellow and orange?  I think my eyes are bleeding.
The orange quotes with small bold type are hard to read (until you get
to 200% magnification), and the yellow borders constantly draw my eyes
away from the text into their staring yellow-ness.

[*** Thanks for that feedback William. I've taken it on board. I won't
be using those colours any more. What I would say, however, is that if
the colours are the only thing you can complain about, we're not doing
too bad.***]

The mass of advertisements taking up most of the cover page also scream
'I'm in it for the money!'

[*** Ha, ha. Okay, let me explain about ObjectiveView. I produce
ObjectiveView on my own basically. It's a big job I do mostly in my
"spare" time. In the 8 years I've been doing it I've never recieved a
penny directly from it. The "advertisments" are for web distribution
partners. The deal there is simple, they distibute the magazine from
their web-site, and we put their logo on front/inner cover. They're not
going to distribute it for nothing, and given the work I put in, I'm
keen to get people reading it. That doesn't seem unreasonable to me -
perhaps you (all) disagree? I'm open to discussion. ***]

It also seems to be heavily biased towards Extreme Programming.  While
I
love the idea of XP and some of its techniques are a lifesaver for me,
I
have a hard time believing that 'the one true way' exists and is
'extreme.'  As with everything else, moderation is the key to success.

[*** No it's not heavily biased towards extreme. I cover topics that
are part of the software development zeitgeist. I have my own opinions,
but editing a magazine requires I keep those at bay to some degree at
least, and try to cover different angles on the same topic. I have
interviewed various people about XP, and if you read the interviews,
you'll see I give them some degree of a hard time about the claims for
XP (or any other topic). I also have regular contributions from Doug
Rosenberg - perhaps the most vociferous high profile critic of XP. See
issue 7 for an interview with him about his book "XP Refactored - the
case against XP." I gave him something of a hard time too.

ObjectiveView is not about promoting one approach or another, it's
about discussing / raising the pros and cons of different approaches. ]

In short:  They're scaring off a lot of people before the magazine even
gets read.

[*** I'm not sure which particular issue you've raised is scaring
people off. Perhaps you could clarify. I'm very interested in honest
feedback. ***]

--
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.

From:		Thomas Adam - view profile
Date:		Mon 25 Sep 2006 12:46
Email: 		Thomas Adam <thomas.ada...@gmail.com>
Groups: 		comp.lang.ruby

On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 17:00:13 +0900
"zoat" <enog...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Issue #9 of ObjectiveView [pdf], a highly respected on-line journal
> has a sort of Ruby Special: lots of articles devoted to Ruby, and
> Ruby on Rails.
> http://www.ratio.co.uk/objectiveview.html
> http://www.ratio.co.uk/ov9pdf.pdf

I won't reiterate the comments posted by William Crawford, but what I
will say is definitely *heed* them.  I agree with everything he has
said.

[Thomas - please see my answers to William's points. I believe he is
wrong, and have given reasons why I think so... but please let me know
if you still disagree.]

As for the issue, it was the first time I had read it, and I quite
liked it.  I have often been interested in extreme/pair programming, so
it was nice to see some applications of its use.
[*** thanks for that ***]

As for the Ruby side of things, note that the article by Amy Hoy
contains on or two deprecated uses within Ruby that ought not to have
been allowed to propagate through.  (c.f. ''foo.type'' should be
''foo.class'').  Was she writing that article based on Ruby 1.6.X?
Still, that aside, it ought to give your readership a little bit of an
idea about Ruby.
[*** If you'd like to send me full details (to markcollinscope AT
gmail.com) I will update issue 9 with corrections. It's still getting
about 2k downloads a month. ***]

Was that the sort of feedback you were after, if any, I might add?
[*** not sure who this comment is aimed at ***]
-- Thomas Adam

From:		Jan Svitok - view profile
Date:		Mon 25 Sep 2006 13:03
Email: 		"Jan Svitok" <jan.svi...@gmail.com>
Groups: 		comp.lang.ruby
On 9/25/06, Thomas Adam <thomas.ada...@gmail.com> wrote:

> "zoat" <enog...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > Issue #9 of ObjectiveView [pdf], a highly respected on-line journal
> > has a sort of Ruby Special: lots of articles devoted to Ruby, and
> > Ruby on Rails.
> > http://www.ratio.co.uk/objectiveview.html
> > http://www.ratio.co.uk/ov9pdf.pdf

> I won't reiterate the comments posted by William Crawford, but what I
> will say is definitely *heed* them.  I agree with everything he has
> said.

> As for the issue, it was the first time I had read it, and I quite
> liked it.  I have often been interested in extreme/pair programming, so
> it was nice to see some applications of its use.

> As for the Ruby side of things, note that the article by Amy Hoy
> contains on or two deprecated uses within Ruby that ought not to have
> been allowed to propagate through.  (c.f. ''foo.type'' should be
> ''foo.class'').  Was she writing that article based on Ruby 1.6.X?
> Still, that aside, it ought to give your readership a little bit of an
> idea about Ruby.

> Was that the sort of feedback you were after, if any, I might add?

None. It seems to be a bot.
[*** If Zoat is a Bot, it's nothing to do with me/ObjectiveView. Zoat -
are you there? ***]


From:		Paul Lynch - view profile
Date:		Mon 25 Sep 2006 13:06
Email: 		Paul Lynch <p...@plsys.co.uk>
Groups: 		comp.lang.ruby
On 25 Sep 2006, at 13:46, Thomas Adam wrote:

> On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 17:00:13 +0900
> "zoat" <enog...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> Issue #9 of ObjectiveView [pdf], a highly respected on-line journal
>> has a sort of Ruby Special: lots of articles devoted to Ruby, and
>> Ruby on Rails.

> Was that the sort of feedback you were after, if any, I might add?

I am wondering - why are people talking to a spambot?  (Check the
posting history for zoat for confirmation).
[*** Hmmm.... I'm reading this and answering sequentially, I will check
the posting history now! Okay, it seems that Zoat posts messages about
Ruby/Rails. Note that most of the messages are completely unrelated to
ObjectiveView. I believe that Zoat must be a Ruby/Rails evangelist
type, and he's only posted about ObjectiveView because issue 9
contained two articles on Ruby and Rails. Perhaps he is a spambot -
could be, but seems unlikely as the number of posting is quite small.
***]

Paul

From:		James Edward Gray II - view profile
Date:		Mon 25 Sep 2006 13:30
Email: 		James Edward Gray II <j...@grayproductions.net>
Groups: 		comp.lang.ruby
On Sep 25, 2006, at 7:46 AM, Thomas Adam wrote:

> On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 17:00:13 +0900
> "zoat" <enog...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> Issue #9 of ObjectiveView [pdf], a highly respected on-line journal
>> has a sort of Ruby Special: lots of articles devoted to Ruby, and
>> Ruby on Rails.
>> http://www.ratio.co.uk/objectiveview.html
>> http://www.ratio.co.uk/ov9pdf.pdf

This is very old news.  I'm not sure when the issue was released but
the "Welcome to Issue 9" page has a February 2006 date at the bottom.

[*** James is factually correct. However OV is currently produced about
twice a year (if I had more time I would do it more often, maybe I
will...) so issue 9 was still the latest issue at time of posting.
The implication of saying something is very 'old news' is that it is no
longer relevent, as elapsed time has made it redundant. All I can say
is even now (December) it would seem to me that topics such as Ruby,
Rails, Aspect/J and Ajax are as relevent as ever - so I don't think the
'old news' label is appropriate. But hey, I'm not that bothered about
this :-)! ***]

> As for the Ruby side of things, note that the article by Amy Hoy
> contains on or two deprecated uses within Ruby that ought not to have
> been allowed to propagate through.  (c.f. ''foo.type'' should be
> ''foo.class'').  Was she writing that article based on Ruby 1.6.X?
> Still, that aside, it ought to give your readership a little bit of an
> idea about Ruby.
Yes, I sent Amy a list of suggested improvements when the article was
originally published.  I'm pretty sure she intended to post
corrections on her blog, but I don't believe she ever got around to it:
http://www.slash7.com/articles/2006/3/2/a-not-so-objective-view-of-ruby
[*** Thanks for helping Amy! ***]

James Edward Gray II


On Sep 25, 2006, at 8:06 AM, Paul Lynch wrote:
> On 25 Sep 2006, at 13:46, Thomas Adam wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 17:00:13 +0900
>> "zoat" <enog...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>> Issue #9 of ObjectiveView [pdf], a highly respected on-line journal
>>> has a sort of Ruby Special: lots of articles devoted to Ruby, and
>>> Ruby on Rails.

>> Was that the sort of feedback you were after, if any, I might add?

> I am wondering - why are people talking to a spambot?  (Check the
> posting history for zoat for confirmation).

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby/msg/17a068913ce02cef
[*** For the record, here's the content of that URL:

"I starting a Knowlege Manament project and would like to have as
reference the best "Wiki" system implemented using Ruby.

This project is intended to use a non linear Wiki system like
TiddlyWiki (see http://www.tiddlywiki.com) and also a full cosmology
implementation of the Personal Brain functionality (see
http://www.thebrain.com).

I have looked around about some, but it semeed to me not be able to
know its current status e.g. instiki. So can anybody help me on that?

Roberto Nogueira
http://holoflux.wordpress.com"

I think the implication here is that zoat is a real person! :-)! ***]

James Edward Gray II

From:		M. Edward (Ed) Borasky - view profile
Date:		Mon 25 Sep 2006 13:34
Email: 		"M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" <z...@cesmail.net>
Groups: 		comp.lang.ruby

Paul Lynch wrote:

> On 25 Sep 2006, at 13:46, Thomas Adam wrote:

>> On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 17:00:13 +0900
>> "zoat" <enog...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>> Issue #9 of ObjectiveView [pdf], a highly respected on-line journal
>>> has a sort of Ruby Special: lots of articles devoted to Ruby, and
>>> Ruby on Rails.

>> Was that the sort of feedback you were after, if any, I might add?

> I am wondering - why are people talking to a spambot?  (Check the
> posting history for zoat for confirmation).

> Paul

And *I* am wondering how a spambot got to be a "member" of our "club".
[*** Well, about that I no idea. I don't think it's a spambot actually
- see above, but I could be wrong... ***]

From:		William Crawford - view profile
Date:		Mon 25 Sep 2006 14:08
Email: 		William Crawford <wccrawf...@gmail.com>
Groups: 		comp.lang.ruby
Paul Lynch wrote:
> I am wondering - why are people talking to a spambot?  (Check the
> posting history for zoat for confirmation).

> Paul

Because...  I...  Um...

Okay, it fooled me.  -sigh-

100.times { puts "I will not talk to spambots." }

[***

100.times { puts "I will not talk to spambots." } if
haveVerifiedThatItReallyIsASpamBot

***]

-------------
A few final comments that I hope you'll be interested in discussing
with me.

1. What is Spam?

I hate bloody spam. I get a ton in my email box every day, and it
pisses me off. However, I have also been using internet news groups for
20-odd years, and in that time I have read literally hundreds of
announcements that are directly relevent to the newsgroup topic -
*without* everyone on the group having a hernia about the message ;-)

If someone sent "buy your viagra here" to this newsgroup, I'd be with
you 100% in banning the person who posted it. But an OnTopic message
about a Free Magazine that is of value (in this instance) to the Ruby
community -  come on - chill out a bit! :-)!

I *do* -  personally - sometimes post message to relevent newsgroups
about OV - usually without any negative feedback - and checking with
moderators first  (but I didn't post anything connected to the thread
above).

2. Commercial Gain (put your sense of humour hat on please ... switch
to non hernia chill out mode... :-)

There seems to be a theme in the above thread that implies "commercial
gain" is bad. (Note here, as I said above, OV is not for direct
commercial gain).

Well, some people on this group are definately interacting to help them
do their job. For which they are paid. Of course, the content is
on-topic, so that's okay. But aren't they getting commercial gain from
their postings - well I'd say they are ;-)! And say someone wrote a
really cool (but paid for) product that really helped Ruby developers.
Wouldn't it be of benefit to the Ruby community to know about it?

And if it turned out the product was really a pile of shite, well that
would become apparent from the messages - and the Ruby community would
still benefit (by not buying the crap product)... So to me it would
seem okay to have on-topic announcements even if they are for
commercial gain....

Call me a sophist :)!

3. Assuming the worst...
A general life point, that applies to this message thread as well. When
dealing with a situation with many unknowns (like not actually what the
deal was for the logos on the front page) you have two choices: assume
the best, or assume the worst. By assuming the best - you may be wrong
- but until you actually know that, it is the best option - because
assuming the worst will often lead to dissing people who don't deserve
to be dissed. This will seriously piss of the people being dissed, and
in turn will create conflict - and we don't need that unnecessarily...
???

btw: I'm not a saint, I've made that mistake many times... but have
eventually learned a lesson from it... :-)!


Ciao and thanks.
Mark.


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