From: David Vallner <david@...>
Date: 2006-12-22T09:17:30+09:00
Subject: Re: Remove Ruby 1.8.5?

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Wilson Bilkovich wrote:
> On 12/21/06, Vincent Fourmond <vincent.fourmond@9online.fr> wrote:
>> David Vallner wrote:
>> > M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
>> >> So the only reason for a direct
>> >> download and install of Ruby 1.8.5 is if you actually want to hack
>> upon
>> >> Ruby itself.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Or avoid the searing pain that is Debian deconstructivism.
>>
>>   Could you state precisely what you mean under this ? As I participat=
e
>> to debian developing, there might be things I could help with in here =
;-)
>=20
> :~$ dpkg -l |grep ruby
> ii  libdbm-ruby1.8 1.8.4-5        DBM interface for Ruby 1.8
> ii  libgdbm-ruby1. 1.8.4-5        GDBM interface for Ruby 1.8
> ii  libruby1.8     1.8.4-5        Libraries necessary to run Ruby 1.8
> ii  libruby1.8-dbg 1.8.4-5        Debugging symbols for Ruby 1.8
> ii  libtcltk-ruby1 1.8.4-5        Tcl/Tk interface for Ruby 1.8
> ii  ruby1.8        1.8.4-5        Interpreter of object-oriented
> scripting lan
> ii  ruby1.8-dev    1.8.4-5        Header files for compiling extension
> modules
> ii  ruby1.8-elisp  1.8.4-5        ruby-mode for Emacsen
> ii  ruby1.8-exampl 1.8.4-5        Examples for Ruby 1.8
>=20

Bindings for standard extensions I can bear with.

irb / erb not being at least a suggested package is obscene, however.

Personally, I'd put parts of the "standard distribution" that don't
involve bindings to libraries (and therefore pull in those libraries
along) at least as recommended, and having them suggested, as well as
listing packages built from ruby-defaults as at least suggested to the
ruby and ruby-1.8 package. (Sans the virtual packages that that package
implements.) I'm still uncertain about having the readline binding as
recommended, since more or less, a) everyone has readline anyway, b)
everyone wants to use it in irb anyway. (For given values of everyone.)

That way, with how at least aptitude behaves, setting the current ruby
on install would get you with at least something close enough to what
building from source and using the one-click installer gets you - e.g.
the reflex to drop into irb is satisfied. And the spurious "argh forgot
dependencies again" would get ever so annoying if they were at least
listed in one place in a package manager instead of having to search for
them.

David Vallner


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