From: Robert Dober Date: 2007-01-04T23:05:14+09:00 Subject: Re: Status of Cardinal (was Re: Proposal to create a new mailing list) ------=_Part_6963_26964074.1167919512488 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 1/4/07, Charles Oliver Nutter wrote: > > Devin Mullins wrote: > > Charles Oliver Nutter wrote: > >> The motivations for JRuby go well beyond those for a SmallRuby, > >> largely because not only could it potentially be a "better Ruby" in > >> some ways, but it would be a Ruby that could leverage the entire Java > >> platform, now GPL and freely available. So there's two ways to think > >> about JRuby: as an alternative implementation of Ruby and as an > >> alternative language for the Java platform. > > But you just told him not to think of the second, a paragraph earlier! > > Sure, there are valid motivations for JRuby (duh), but does your > > motivation inequality apply equally to M. Dober, professed > Java-disliker? > > JRuby will be both a floor wax AND a dessert topping. > > > I think what the smalltalkers are arguing is that it'd be much easier to > > leverage those fun things in a Ruby-Smalltalk implementation, because > > the two languages have much more in common than do Ruby and Java. Mind > > you, I'm relatively clueless in all things language-implementation, so > > consider me a messenger. Well, a curious messenger. > > > > Then I encourage them by all means to make such things happen. Except > that they aren't, and they haven't. Actions speak louder than words, and > unfortunately smalltalkers seem to talk big (yuk yuk) but produce little. I talk much and produce little not the Smalltalkers. This is after all a Ruby List. I did not take offence because I know best for myself that I am not up to a task like yours but I still have the feeling that Smalltalk has its time ahead. If a Ruby implementation on a Smalltalk VM is so easy, where is it? :) Ok I will do it, alpha is planned for 2042, sigghhhh! Robert -- > Charles Oliver Nutter, JRuby Core Developer > Blogging on Ruby and Java @ headius.blogspot.com > Help spec out Ruby today! @ www.headius.com/rubyspec > headius@headius.com -- charles.nutter@sun.com > > -- "The real romance is out ahead and yet to come. The computer revolution hasn't started yet. Don't be misled by the enormous flow of money into bad defacto standards for unsophisticated buyers using poor adaptations of incomplete ideas." - Alan Kay ------=_Part_6963_26964074.1167919512488--