From: Charles Oliver Nutter Date: 2007-01-04T20:46:49+09:00 Subject: Re: Status of Cardinal (was Re: Proposal to create a new mailing list) Devin Mullins wrote: > Charles Oliver Nutter wrote: >> The motivations for JRuby go well beyond those for a SmallRuby, >> largely because not only could it potentially be a "better Ruby" in >> some ways, but it would be a Ruby that could leverage the entire Java >> platform, now GPL and freely available. So there's two ways to think >> about JRuby: as an alternative implementation of Ruby and as an >> alternative language for the Java platform. > But you just told him not to think of the second, a paragraph earlier! > Sure, there are valid motivations for JRuby (duh), but does your > motivation inequality apply equally to M. Dober, professed Java-disliker? JRuby will be both a floor wax AND a dessert topping. > I think what the smalltalkers are arguing is that it'd be much easier to > leverage those fun things in a Ruby-Smalltalk implementation, because > the two languages have much more in common than do Ruby and Java. Mind > you, I'm relatively clueless in all things language-implementation, so > consider me a messenger. Well, a curious messenger. Then I encourage them by all means to make such things happen. Except that they aren't, and they haven't. Actions speak louder than words, and unfortunately smalltalkers seem to talk big (yuk yuk) but produce little. If a Ruby implementation on a Smalltalk VM is so easy, where is it? :) -- Charles Oliver Nutter, JRuby Core Developer Blogging on Ruby and Java @ headius.blogspot.com Help spec out Ruby today! @ www.headius.com/rubyspec headius@headius.com -- charles.nutter@sun.com