From: "Michael W. Ryder" <_mwryder@...>
Date: 2006-12-20T08:00:08+09:00
Subject: Re: [OT] where have all the experienced users gone?

Jeremy McAnally wrote:
>> There would be two lists: one newbies, and one "guru". Each message sent
>> to one is also sent to the other, but with a tag: Like [NEWBIES] and 
>> [GURU].
>> It has the advantage that the lists are not really split, and the choice
>> is let to each one to choose if she wants to read or not the newbies or
>> guru messages.
>> I'm not sure it's really different from the standard two separate lists
>> though...
> 
> Yeah, and you add an extra step into the sending process, and I'm not
> sure if that would really work (especially if there would have to be
> another layer of redirection like the current gateways).
> 
> Even so, I'm not really sure "guru" is the right tag for it; I think
> that most people just want the "Where is tehRuby compiler?" and
> "What's the best Ruby book?" questions off the talk list, since there
> is really not much useful talk involved.  I think perhaps simply
> maintaining the talk lists and providing a newbie list may be the best
> solution (in my mind, at least).
> 
> Also, perhaps the Ruby lang site could offer a search box right there
> on the mailing list page?  This could be for people who have a
> question that has already been answered won't be tempted to join the
> list just to ask.
> 

Which would be of no benefit for those who access the messages through 
Usenet.  Also the FAQ is never seen by those on Usenet.
> --Jeremy
> 
> On 12/19/06, Julien Gaugaz <gaugaz@l3s.de> wrote:
>>
>> >>> This is why many times there will be "xxx-talk" (or "xxx-users") and
>> >>> "xxx-newbie" lists.  I think perhaps Ruby has reached that "critical
>> >>> mass" point where this split is in order (even though i'm sure this
>> >>> has been discussed a number of times and decided against).
>> >>
>> >> I was on perl-beginners for years.  When I came to the Ruby community
>> >> I asked for the equivalent, but many members felt it wasn't needed or
>> >> even desired.  While I think I came around to their point of view
>> >> over time, I'm not sure it still holds.
>> >>
>> >
>> > In addition to the newbie/guru split, there is also the possibility of
>> > a core/user split. The core list would be for discussions relating to
>> > the current and future status of the Ruby language itself, the core
>> > libraries, and more theoretical questions. The user list would be for
>> > discussions about 3rd party libraries, installation problems, and
>> > IDEs. =)
>> >
>> > This split has the benefit of not making anyone feel like a newb,
>> > while still creating a separate area for hard core Rubyists to talk
>> > about serious issues without all the noise.
>> >
>> > Tom
>> I'm a newbie (to Ruby, and also to mailing lists somehow). What about
>> the following:
>> There would be two lists: one newbies, and one "guru". Each message sent
>> to one is also sent to the other, but with a tag: Like [NEWBIES] and 
>> [GURU].
>> It has the advantage that the lists are not really split, and the choice
>> is let to each one to choose if she wants to read or not the newbies or
>> guru messages.
>> I'm not sure it's really different from the standard two separate lists
>> though...
>>
>> Julien
>>
>>
>