[#124921] One-Click Installer 182-14 Final -- Happy New Year! — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...>

Finally, after what seemed to be an endless series

36 messages 2005/01/01
[#125109] Re: [ANN] One-Click Installer 182-14 Final -- Happy New Year! — "Johan Nilsson" <johan.nilsson@...> 2005/01/04

[#125120] Re: [ANN] One-Click Installer 182-14 Final -- Happy New Year! — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2005/01/04

Johan Nilsson wrote:

[#125147] Re: [ANN] One-Click Installer 182-14 Final -- Happy New Year! — "Johan Nilsson" <johan.nilsson@...> 2005/01/05

[#125263] Re: [ANN] One-Click Installer 182-14 Final -- Happy New Year! — Mark Smith <maslists@...> 2005/01/06

Johan Nilsson said the following on 1/5/2005 2:08 AM:

[#125300] Re: [ANN] One-Click Installer 182-14 Final -- Happy New Year! — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2005/01/06

Mark Smith wrote:

[#125355] Re: [ANN] One-Click Installer 182-14 Final -- Happy New Year! — Stephan K舂per <Stephan.Kaemper@...> 2005/01/06

Curt Hibbs wrote:

[#124940] RubyGems 0.8.4 — Chad Fowler <chadfowler@...>

= Announce: RubyGems Release 0.8.4

54 messages 2005/01/01
[#125112] Re: [ANN] RubyGems 0.8.4 — Paul Duncan <pabs@...> 2005/01/04

* Chad Fowler (chadfowler@gmail.com) wrote:

[#125114] Ruby JOBS all around the world — MiG <mig@1984.cz> 2005/01/04

[#125122] Re: Ruby JOBS all around the world — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...> 2005/01/04

Hello MiG,

[#125152] Re: Ruby JOBS all around the world — Premshree Pillai <premshree.pillai@...> 2005/01/05

On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 07:47:49 +0900, Lothar Scholz

[#125155] Re: Ruby JOBS all around the world — "Eustaquio Rangel de Oliveira Jr." <eustaquiorangel@...> 2005/01/05

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[#125166] Re: Ruby JOBS all around the world — Mikael Brockman <mikael@...> 2005/01/05

"Eustaquio Rangel de Oliveira Jr." <eustaquiorangel@yahoo.com> writes:

[#125172] Re: Ruby JOBS all around the world — "Eustaquio Rangel de Oliveira Jr." <eustaquiorangel@...> 2005/01/05

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[#125066] Seeking info on keyword parameters — "itsme213" <itsme213@...>

Will 2.0 make the names of keyword parameters available via reflection?

26 messages 2005/01/04
[#125067] Re: Seeking info on keyword parameters — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/01/04

Hi,

[#125073] Re: Seeking info on keyword parameters — gabriele renzi <rff_rff@...> 2005/01/04

Yukihiro Matsumoto ha scritto:

[#125075] Re: Seeking info on keyword parameters — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/01/04

Hi,

[#125142] what's the Ruby way to do this? — Miles Keaton <mileskeaton@...>

What's the Ruby way to do this?

16 messages 2005/01/05

[#125159] foxGUIb - Interactive Fox GUI Builder and Code Generator — "henon (meinrad recheis)" <meinrad.recheis__nospam__@...>

foxGUIb is an interactive gui builder for fxruby written entirely in Ruby.

36 messages 2005/01/05
[#125171] Re: [ANN] foxGUIb - Interactive Fox GUI Builder and Code Generator — "Luis G. Gez" <lgomez@...> 2005/01/05

I get:

[#125206] Ruby Data Structure Query Abstractions/Patterns — Nicholas Van Weerdenburg <vanweerd@...>

Hi all,

16 messages 2005/01/05

[#125234] Shopping cart ... — Sarah Tanembaum <sarahtanembaum@...>

Is there any good(secure) Ruby shopping cart program example? Thanks

29 messages 2005/01/05

[#125236] Image decompression, eruby — Belorion <belorion@...>

I am working on a website with a MySQL backend. The site allows

15 messages 2005/01/05

[#125237] Return from a block? — Howard Lewis Ship <hlship@...>

I've had a couple of places where I really needed to just return from

17 messages 2005/01/05

[#125271] Ruby design question: lazy construction of object graph containing forward references — "itsme213" <itsme213@...>

Seeking help, Ruby gurus ...

11 messages 2005/01/06

[#125399] Collecting list of most wanted libraries and apps to port to ruby — Thursday <nospam@...>

I think it might be a good idea for us to collect feedback on the most

42 messages 2005/01/07
[#125451] Re: Collecting list of most wanted libraries and apps to port to ruby — PA <petite.abeille@...> 2005/01/07

[#125427] LCD Numbers (#14) — Ruby Quiz <james@...>

The three rules of Ruby Quiz:

28 messages 2005/01/07

[#125460] Ruby on AIX? — Andreas Semt <as@...>

Hello list!

20 messages 2005/01/07

[#125474] RubyForge themes — Tom Copeland <tom@...>

Howdy -

23 messages 2005/01/07

[#125528] Construct [*nil] works differently in 1.6 and 1.8 — Gennady Bystritksy <gfb@...>

Hi, rubyists

13 messages 2005/01/07

[#125594] Type inference in ruby — "Trevor Andrade" <trevor.andrade@...>

Hello all,

25 messages 2005/01/08

[#125682] Python vs Ruby — Lethalman <lethalman@...>

(sorry for my poor English)

93 messages 2005/01/09
[#125729] Re: Python vs Ruby — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...> 2005/01/09

Hello Lethalman,

[#125730] Re: Python vs Ruby — Premshree Pillai <premshree.pillai@...> 2005/01/09

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 04:06:40 +0900, Lothar Scholz

[#125736] Re: Python vs Ruby — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...> 2005/01/09

Hello Premshree,

[#125767] Serious programmers and syntax (was Re: Python vs Ruby) — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...> 2005/01/09

> IMHO the different syntax shouldn't be an argument for a "serious"

[#125957] Re: Serious programmers and syntax (was Re: Python vs Ruby) — Douglas Livingstone <rampant@...> 2005/01/10

> > IMHO the different syntax shouldn't be an argument for a "serious"

[#125789] Re: Python vs Ruby — Thursday <nospam@...> 2005/01/10

Lethalman wrote:

[#125810] Re: Python vs Ruby — Premshree Pillai <premshree.pillai@...> 2005/01/10

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:56:22 +0900, Thursday

[#125871] Re: Python vs Ruby — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/01/10

Hi,

[#125850] Re: Python vs Ruby — "benjamin.ferrari" <benjamin.ferrari@...> 2005/01/10

[#125734] Ruby Quiz #14 LCD Numbers ( solution #2 ) — email55555 email55555 <email55555@...>

Wow ... Jannis Harder's solution is really short ....

17 messages 2005/01/09

[#125798] Duck Typing as Pattern Matching — "itsme213" <itsme213@...>

I am not a type-system expert, but I started thinking about Ruby-based duck

27 messages 2005/01/10

[#125817] Immediate values — "Eustaquio Rangel de Oliveira Jr." <eustaquiorangel@...>

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33 messages 2005/01/10

[#125995] why dosn't ruby support // to comment? — "bin liu" <ruby@3cn.com.cn>

i think use keyboard type "//" is fast than "#" to comment one line code.

28 messages 2005/01/11

[#126015] mod_ruby & rails doc? — Aquila <braempje@...>

Is there a place where I can find information on using mod_ruby? A single

14 messages 2005/01/11

[#126064] Soks - Yet Another Wiki — Thomas Counsell <tamc2@...>

http://rubyforge.org/projects/soks/

33 messages 2005/01/11
[#126065] Re: [ANN] Soks - Yet Another Wiki — Florian Gross <flgr@...> 2005/01/11

Thomas Counsell wrote:

[#126081] Net::SSH 0.9.0 — Jamis Buck <jamis_buck@...>

Net::SSH is a pure-Ruby implementation of an SSH2-compatible client.

12 messages 2005/01/11

[#126103] Comparing two files for equality — Edgardo Hames <ehames@...>

Hi everybody,

13 messages 2005/01/12

[#126112] Ruby on Rails tutorial FAILED on Windows ... — Sarah Tanembaum <sarahtanembaum@...>

I follow the Ruby on Rail documentation, it works up to list method.

10 messages 2005/01/12

[#126136] Nitro + Og 0.8.0 — "George Moschovitis" <george.moschovitis@...>

Hello everyone,

14 messages 2005/01/12

[#126149] Webrick, erb, and .rhtml — Belorion <belorion@...>

I am trying to get a basic Webrick server running to serve up .rhtml

14 messages 2005/01/12

[#126273] Nemo 0.1.0 + Wee 0.4.0 — Michael Neumann <mneumann@...>

Hi Rubyists,

24 messages 2005/01/13

[#126292] Proliferation of web frameworks — Carl Youngblood <carlwork@...>

I don't know about you guys, but I'm starting to be overwhelmed by the

38 messages 2005/01/13
[#126298] Re: Proliferation of web frameworks — "George Moschovitis" <george.moschovitis@...> 2005/01/13

> I don't know about you guys, but I'm starting to be overwhelmed by

[#126303] Re: Proliferation of web frameworks — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...> 2005/01/13

Hello George,

[#126304] Re: Proliferation of web frameworks — PA <petite.abeille@...> 2005/01/13

[#126315] Mutable strings — "Mystifier" <mystifier@...>

Hi All,

20 messages 2005/01/13
[#126346] Re: Mutable strings — Nikolai Weibull <mailing-lists.ruby-talk@...> 2005/01/13

* Mystifier (Jan 13, 2005 19:50):

[#126332] Web Testing in Ruby — Laurent Julliard <laurent__nospam__@...>

Sorry if this question has already been asked 200 times... I'm trying

19 messages 2005/01/13
[#126337] Re: [Q] Web Testing in Ruby — stevetuckner <stevetuckner@...> 2005/01/13

Laurent Julliard wrote:

[#126338] Re: [Q] Web Testing in Ruby — Dick Davies <rasputnik@...> 2005/01/13

* stevetuckner <stevetuckner@usfamily.net> [0124 21:24]:

[#126343] ruby-gnome2 : problem with signal "insert-text" — oxman <no@...>

Hello,

22 messages 2005/01/13
[#126434] Re: ruby-gnome2 : problem with signal "insert-text" — Peter Stuifzand <peter.stuifzand@...> 2005/01/14

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 07:01:14 +0900, oxman <no@in-your-dream.net> wrote:

[#126454] Re: ruby-gnome2 : problem with signal "insert-text" — oxman <no@...> 2005/01/14

Thanks.

[#126538] Re: ruby-gnome2 : problem with signal "insert-text" — oxman <no@...> 2005/01/15

Humm, after many test, I see my code is executed immediately.

[#126554] Re: ruby-gnome2 : problem with signal "insert-text" — "Michael C. Libby" <mcl-ruby-talk@...> 2005/01/15

On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 06:36:17PM +0900, oxman wrote:

[#126564] Re: ruby-gnome2 : problem with signal "insert-text" — oxman <no@...> 2005/01/15

It don't work.

[#126569] Re: ruby-gnome2 : problem with signal "insert-text" — "Michael C. Libby" <mcl-ruby-talk@...> 2005/01/15

On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 10:21:10PM +0900, oxman wrote:

[#126574] Re: ruby-gnome2 : problem with signal "insert-text" — oxman <no@...> 2005/01/15

The code :

[#126392] A patch for irb, where to submit? — Csaba Henk <csaba@..._for_avoiding_spam.org>

Hi!

12 messages 2005/01/14

[#126411] Duck Typing and automated Conversions — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...>

41 messages 2005/01/14

[#126450] Animal Quiz (#15) — Ruby Quiz <james@...>

The three rules of Ruby Quiz:

13 messages 2005/01/14

[#126521] Re: why dosn't ruby support // to comment? — E S <eero.saynatkari@...>

> L臧ett臻篋 nobu.nokada@softhome.net

12 messages 2005/01/15

[#126572] Pimki 1.4 — "Assaph Mehr" <assaph@...>

Pimki 1.4.092 highights:

15 messages 2005/01/15

[#126581] Ruby CMS — Luke Galea <lgalea@...>

Hi Rubyists:

20 messages 2005/01/15

[#126639] Fwd: [suby-ruby] Your all time desired fundemental Ruby mod — "trans. (T. Onoma)" <transami@...>

I'm taking a little poll.

94 messages 2005/01/16
[#126681] Re: Fwd: [suby-ruby] Your all time desired fundemental Ruby mod — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2005/01/16

Hi --

[#126690] Re: Fwd: [suby-ruby] Your all time desired fundemental Ruby mod — "trans. (T. Onoma)" <transami@...> 2005/01/16

On Sunday 16 January 2005 07:35 am, David A. Black wrote:

[#126694] Re: Fwd: [suby-ruby] Your all time desired fundemental Ruby mod — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2005/01/16

Hi --

[#126824] Re: Fwd: [suby-ruby] Your all time desired fundemental Ruby mod — "trans. (T. Onoma)" <transami@...> 2005/01/17

On Sunday 16 January 2005 09:09 am, David A. Black wrote:

[#126842] Re: Fwd: [suby-ruby] Your all time desired fundemental Ruby mod — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2005/01/17

Hi --

[#126851] Re: Fwd: [suby-ruby] Your all time desired fundemental Ruby mod — "trans. (T. Onoma)" <transami@...> 2005/01/17

On Monday 17 January 2005 08:20 am, David A. Black wrote:

[#126852] Re: Fwd: [suby-ruby] Your all time desired fundemental Ruby mod — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2005/01/17

Hi --

[#126857] Re: Fwd: [suby-ruby] Your all time desired fundemental Ruby mod — "trans. (T. Onoma)" <transami@...> 2005/01/17

On Monday 17 January 2005 09:21 am, David A. Black wrote:

[#126684] Re: [suby-ruby] Your all time desired fundemental Ruby mod — Jim Menard <jimm@...> 2005/01/16

On Jan 15, 2005, at 7:23 PM, trans. (T. Onoma) wrote:

[#126649] Bug#290705: ruby: Ruby is completly vivisected. — Trevor Wennblom <wenn0029@...>

Package: ruby

14 messages 2005/01/16

[#126720] which gui toolkit — thegandhi@..._CUTHERE (Gandhi)

Sorry if this question comes up often,

20 messages 2005/01/16

[#126811] Creating an instance from a variable — Peter Hickman <peter@...>

I have a class like this:

18 messages 2005/01/17

[#126843] is defined? fast? — "George Moschovitis" <george.moschovitis@...>

Hello everyone, I have a simple question:

17 messages 2005/01/17

[#126911] My regexp stupidity needs assistance before loose all my hair! — "trans. (T. Onoma)" <transami@...>

Let me painfully honest: I hate parsing, especially w/ regexp, and I don't

22 messages 2005/01/17
[#126914] Re: My regexp stupidity needs assistance before loose all my hair! — Zach Dennis <zdennis@...> 2005/01/17

trans. (T. Onoma) wrote:

[#126937] Re: Ignoring RUBYOPT ? — E S <eero.saynatkari@...>

14 messages 2005/01/17

[#127002] Ruby Weekly News 10th - 16th January 2005 — timsuth@... (Tim Sutherland)

http://www.rubygarden.org/ruby?RubyNews/2005-01-10

10 messages 2005/01/18

[#127024] Goodle Groups and My New Address — tsawyer@...

Just an FYI I will be moving all my email activity to my gmail address

16 messages 2005/01/18
[#127046] Re: Goodle Groups and My New Address — Craig Moran <craig.m.moran.ruby@...> 2005/01/18

I am using this Google email addy specifically for the Ruby ML and

[#127057] value by reference — Mohammad Khan <mkhan@...>

Before telling my issue, let me show my script:

71 messages 2005/01/18
[#127058] Re: value by reference — "trans." <tsawyer@...> 2005/01/18

I beleive it is by reference, the problem is you need to modify

[#127090] Re: value by reference — "trans." <tsawyer@...> 2005/01/19

Sorry. #succ does not act inplace and nothing does on Fixnum. Its been

[#127121] Re: value by reference — Florian Gross <flgr@...> 2005/01/19

trans. wrote:

[#127127] Re: value by reference — Glenn Parker <glenn.parker@...> 2005/01/19

Florian Gross wrote:

[#127131] Re: value by reference — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2005/01/19

Hi --

[#127135] Re: value by reference — Michel Martens <blaumag@...> 2005/01/19

It's easy to accomplish this task with strings:

[#127137] Re: value by reference — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2005/01/19

Hi --

[#127139] Re: value by reference — Michel Martens <blaumag@...> 2005/01/19

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:19:13 +0900, David A. Black <dblack@wobblini.net> wrote:

[#127128] Re: value by reference — "trans." <tsawyer@...> 2005/01/19

Right. I'm not suggesting that Ruby change this. I'm just wondering if

[#127147] Re: value by reference — Mohammad Khan <mkhan@...> 2005/01/19

#!/usr/bin/env ruby

[#127064] aeditor-2.1 (megacorp release) — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

shots:

11 messages 2005/01/18

[#127086] 1.8.2 - conituations memory leak fixed? — "Wilkes" <wilkesjoiner@...>

Is this still an issue with the "official" release?

15 messages 2005/01/19

[#127313] Open Source Licenses against Software Patents — Pit Capitain <pit@...>

Applying for a new RubyForge project is harder than I thought :-), cause I have

15 messages 2005/01/20

[#127316] Confused about variable "declarations" — Graham Nicholls <graham@...>

19 messages 2005/01/20

[#127407] Fwd: OSCON Call For Proposals Now Open — Chad Fowler <chadfowler@...>

Hi All. Attached is the announcement for this year's Oreilly Open

24 messages 2005/01/20
[#127433] Re: OSCON Call For Proposals Now Open — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...> 2005/01/21

> We want _everyone_ to be talking about the Ruby track this year. :)

[#127437] Ta-da list (Was: Re: OSCON Call For Proposals Now Open) — Jordi Bunster <jordi@...> 2005/01/21

[#127455] Re: [Rails] ONLamp article on Rails — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...>

Marcel Molina Jr. wrote:

23 messages 2005/01/21

[#127465] Xpath like syntax — Luke Galea <lgalea@...>

Hi all,

18 messages 2005/01/21

[#127512] Paper Rock Scissors (#16) — Ruby Quiz <james@...>

The three rules of Ruby Quiz:

30 messages 2005/01/21

[#127513] Refernce objects — Richard Turner <richard@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2005/01/21

[#127580] Installation trouble — Ghislain MARY <nospam@...>

Hi all,

24 messages 2005/01/21

[#127596] Reasons to consider learning Ruby? — Preston Crawford <me@...>

I'm completely new to Ruby and Python. I'd like to learn another language

17 messages 2005/01/21

[#127599] Use of scaffolding in the ONLamp Rails tutorial — Lyle Johnson <lyle.johnson@...>

I'm going through Curt's excellent Rails tutorial (at

10 messages 2005/01/21

[#127657] Ruby for mobile phones? — "cyberco" <cyberco@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2005/01/22

[#127733] looking at ruby... — Sean T Allen <sean@...>

So I'm looking at ruby for both personal and work projects.

32 messages 2005/01/23
[#127744] Re: looking at ruby... — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2005/01/23

On 22 Jan 2005, at 20:03, Sean T Allen wrote:

[#127745] Re: looking at ruby... — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...> 2005/01/23

Hello Eric,

[#127821] Re: looking at ruby... — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2005/01/23

On 22 Jan 2005, at 23:57, Lothar Scholz wrote:

[#127780] Self and Ruby Comparisons — "Mystifier" <mystifier@...>

Hi

39 messages 2005/01/23
[#127865] Re: Self and Ruby Comparisons — Csaba Henk <csaba@..._for_avoiding_spam.org> 2005/01/24

On 2005-01-23, Mystifier <mystifier@users.berlios.de> wrote:

[#127790] TCPSocket.new blocks other threads — "christoph.heindl@..." <christoph.heindl@...>

hi,

14 messages 2005/01/23

[#127899] attr — "Trans" <transfire@...>

In the upcoming release of Ruby Carats I have a little lib called

38 messages 2005/01/24

[#127951] New user questions — "brundlefly76" <chris.schoenfeld@...>

I have been a production Perl programmer for about 10 years, and am

19 messages 2005/01/24

[#127966] Convert a Hash into an Array — "Eustaquio Rangel de Oliveira Jr." <eustaquiorangel@...>

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22 messages 2005/01/24

[#127973] "Duck Typing" or "No need for abstract classes" — Edgardo Hames <ehames@...>

Hi, you all.

47 messages 2005/01/24
[#128038] Re: "Duck Typing" or "No need for abstract classes" — Mathieu Bouchard <matju@...> 2005/01/25

[#128061] Re: "Duck Typing" or "No need for abstract classes" — Curt Sampson <cjs@...> 2005/01/25

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:

[#128317] Re: "Duck Typing" or "No need for abstract classes" — Mathieu Bouchard <matju@...> 2005/01/26

[#128445] Re: Type Inference — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2005/01/27

[#128589] Re: Type Inference — Curt Sampson <cjs@...> 2005/01/27

On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, Robert Klemme wrote:

[#127978] Re: RubyConf '05 — "Harry Ohlsen" <Harry_Ohlsen@...>

> I think we've got date and time figured out,

44 messages 2005/01/24
[#128000] Re: RubyConf '05 — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2005/01/25

Hi --

[#128081] Re: RubyConf '05 — Chad Fowler <chadfowler@...> 2005/01/25

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:33:09 +0900, David A. Black <dblack@wobblini.net> wrote:

[#128094] Re: RubyConf '05 — "Jim Weirich" <jim@...> 2005/01/25

[#128122] Re: RubyConf '05 — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2005/01/25

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:44:33 +0900, Jim Weirich <jim@weirichhouse.org> wrote:

[#128130] Re: RubyConf '05 — Nicholas Van Weerdenburg <vanweerd@...> 2005/01/25

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 01:00:33 +0900, Austin Ziegler <halostatue@gmail.com> wrote:

[#128526] Re: RubyConf '05 — "martinus" <martin.ankerl@...> 2005/01/27

Consider all Rubyists compressed in one point in space time - this

[#128647] Re: RubyConf '05 — Ralf =?ISO-8859-15?Q?M=FCller?= <r_mueller@...> 2005/01/28

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 02:50:54 +0900

[#129706] Physics of black holes (Was: RubyConf '05) — "Josef 'Jupp' Schugt" <jupp@...> 2005/02/04

Ralf Mler wrote:

[#129746] Re: [OT] Physics of black holes (Was: RubyConf '05) — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2005/02/05

On 04 Feb 2005, at 15:32, Josef 'Jupp' Schugt wrote:

[#129907] Re: [OT] Physics of black holes (Was: RubyConf '05) — "Josef 'Jupp' Schugt" <jupp@...> 2005/02/06

Eric Hodel wrote:

[#129909] Re: [OT] Physics of black holes (Was: RubyConf '05) — Tim Bates <tim@...> 2005/02/06

Josef 'Jupp' Schugt wrote:

[#128021] top-level object? top-level methods? — "itsme213" <itsme213@...>

Is there a top-level object in any executing Ruby program? Is it the thing

17 messages 2005/01/25
[#128047] Re: top-level object? top-level methods? — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/01/25

Hi,

[#128063] Re: top-level object? top-level methods? — Matt Mower <matt.mower@...> 2005/01/25

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:26:29 +0900, Yukihiro Matsumoto

[#128066] Re: top-level object? top-level methods? — ts <decoux@...> 2005/01/25

>>>>> "M" == Matt Mower <matt.mower@gmail.com> writes:

[#128067] Re: top-level object? top-level methods? — Matt Mower <matt.mower@...> 2005/01/25

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:53:18 +0900, ts <decoux@moulon.inra.fr> wrote:

[#128079] Injecting methods from one class into another. — "George Moschovitis" <george.moschovitis@...>

Hello everyone,

28 messages 2005/01/25
[#128082] Re: Injecting methods from one class into another. — ts <decoux@...> 2005/01/25

>>>>> "G" == George Moschovitis <george.moschovitis@gmail.com> writes:

[#128088] Re: Injecting methods from one class into another. — "George Moschovitis" <george.moschovitis@...> 2005/01/25

> What do you expect with this ?

[#128164] A Rubyist's Dream — Benjamin Stiglitz <ben@...>

Hi, everyone. I had a dream last night that drove me to join the list

17 messages 2005/01/25

[#128314] Array::uniq { block } ? — Belorion <belorion@...>

I have an array of arrays. I want to be able to do a uniq operation

26 messages 2005/01/26

[#128318] WWW::Mechanize 0.1.0 available as Gem — Michael Neumann <mneumann@...>

The title says it all:

11 messages 2005/01/26

[#128325] When little languages grow... — Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng <hgs@...>

I seem to have run into my parsing problem again. Whatever I'm

53 messages 2005/01/26
[#128341] Re: When little languages grow... (long) — Mark Probert <probertm@...> 2005/01/26

Hi ..

[#128394] Error with bdb installation — Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@...>

I'm trying to use WordNet, database version, with ruby library. [1]

13 messages 2005/01/26

[#128418] Wee 0.5.0 — Michael Neumann <mneumann@...>

Hi,

19 messages 2005/01/27

[#128485] Duping a class causes error — "Trans" <transfire@...>

Maybe someone can offer me a possible reason for this. I have a set of

22 messages 2005/01/27

[#128529] Ten Things Every Java Programmer Should Know About Ruby — "Jim Weirich" <jim@...>

We will be introducing Ruby to our XP Users group in Cincinnati next week.

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[#128536] Re: Ten Things Every Java Programmer Should Know About Ruby — Joao Pedrosa <joaopedrosa@...> 2005/01/27

Hi,

[#128560] Re: Ten Things Every Java Programmer Should Know About Ruby — "James G. Britt " <ruby.talk.list@...> 2005/01/27

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 03:35:11 +0900, Joao Pedrosa <joaopedrosa@gmail.com> wrote:

[#128562] Re: Ten Things Every Java Programmer Should Know About Ruby — Zach Dennis <zdennis@...> 2005/01/27

Some of the things I like in ruby thinking directly about java... being

[#128618] Re: Ten Things Every Java Programmer Should Know About Ruby — Navindra Umanee <navindra@...> 2005/01/28

Zach Dennis <zdennis@mktec.com> wrote:

[#128625] Re: Ten Things Every Java Programmer Should Know About Ruby — Zach Dennis <zdennis@...> 2005/01/28

Navindra Umanee wrote:

[#128662] Re: Ten Things Every Java Programmer Should Know About Ruby — Peter Hickman <peter@...> 2005/01/28

Jim Weirich wrote:

[#128664] Re: Ten Things Every Java Programmer Should Know About Ruby — PA <petite.abeille@...> 2005/01/28

[#128670] Re: Ten Things Every Java Programmer Should Know About Ruby — Joao Pedrosa <joaopedrosa@...> 2005/01/28

Hi,

[#128671] Re: Ten Things Every Java Programmer Should Know About Ruby — PA <petite.abeille@...> 2005/01/28

[#128684] Re: Ten Things Every Java Programmer Should Know About Ruby — James Britt <jamesUNDERBARb@...> 2005/01/28

PA wrote:

[#128695] Re: Ten Things Every Java Programmer Should Know About Ruby — Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng <hgs@...> 2005/01/28

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, James Britt wrote:

[#128709] Re: Ten Things Every Java Programmer Should Know About Ruby — "James G. Britt " <ruby.talk.list@...> 2005/01/28

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 23:38:14 +0900, Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng

[#128804] Re: Ten Things Every Java Programmer Should Know About Ruby — "Keith P. Boruff" <kboruff@...> 2005/01/29

Lothar Scholz wrote:

[#128808] Re: Ten Things Every Java Programmer Should Know About Ruby — "Keith P. Boruff" <kboruff@...> 2005/01/29

Curt Hibbs wrote:

[#128541] Re: Ten Things Every Java Programmer Should Know About Ruby — Edgardo Hames <ehames@...> 2005/01/27

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 02:55:46 +0900, Jim Weirich <jim@weirichhouse.org> wrote:

[#128550] Re: Ten Things Every Java Programmer Should Know About Ruby — "Jim Weirich" <jim@...> 2005/01/27

[#128573] Re: Ten Things Every Java Programmer Should Know About Ruby — E S <eero.saynatkari@...>

> L臧ett臻篋 "Jim Weirich" <jim@weirichhouse.org>

48 messages 2005/01/27
[#128863] Re: Ten Things Every Java Programmer Should Know About Ruby — Navindra Umanee <navindra@...> 2005/01/29

E S <eero.saynatkari@kolumbus.fi> wrote:

[#128877] Re: Ten Things Every Java Programmer Should Know About Ruby — PA <petite.abeille@...> 2005/01/29

[#128882] Re: Ten Things Every Java Programmer Should Know About Ruby — Navindra Umanee <navindra@...> 2005/01/29

PA <petite.abeille@gmail.com> wrote:

[#128884] Re: Ten Things Every Java Programmer Should Know About Ruby — PA <petite.abeille@...> 2005/01/29

[#128888] Re: Ten Things Every Java Programmer Should Know About Ruby — Navindra Umanee <navindra@...> 2005/01/29

PA <petite.abeille@gmail.com> wrote:

[#128889] Re: Ten Things Every Java Programmer Should Know About Ruby — PA <petite.abeille@...> 2005/01/29

[#128892] Re: Ten Things Every Java Programmer Should Know About Ruby — Florian Frank <flori@...> 2005/01/29

PA wrote:

[#128931] Re: Ten Things Every Java Programmer Should Know About Ruby — Navindra Umanee <navindra@...> 2005/01/29

Florian Frank <flori@nixe.ping.de> wrote:

[#128952] Re: Ten Things Every Java Programmer Should Know About Ruby — Florian Frank <flori@...> 2005/01/30

Navindra Umanee wrote:

[#128973] Re: Ten Things Every Java Programmer Should Know About Ruby — Navindra Umanee <navindra@...> 2005/01/30

Florian Frank <flori@nixe.ping.de> wrote:

[#128668] : How can I find the filename where a class is defined? — "George Moschovitis" <george.moschovitis@...>

Hello everyone,

11 messages 2005/01/28

[#128708] Why csv file processing is so slow? — "mepython" <a@...>

I want to process csv file. Here is small program in python and ruby:

26 messages 2005/01/28

[#128773] FYI: what's OOP's jargons and complexities? — PA <petite.abeille@...>

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/384636

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[#128792] Re: FYI: what's OOP's jargons and complexities? — "Trans" <transfire@...> 2005/01/29

Nice. I look forward to the next installment.

[#128801] Re: FYI: what's OOP's jargons and complexities? — Charles Miller <cmiller@...> 2005/01/29

On 29/01/2005, at 10:30 AM, PA wrote:

[#128832] Re: FYI: what's OOP's jargons and complexities? — James Britt <jamesUNDERBARb@...> 2005/01/29

Charles Miller wrote:

[#128833] Re: FYI: what's OOP's jargons and complexities? — PA <petite.abeille@...> 2005/01/29

[#128890] Logtails 0.4 : the time saving release — Bauduin Raphael <rb@...>

Hi,

15 messages 2005/01/29

[#128967] nil question — Brian Blazer <brian@...>

I am a bit new to this, so please be gentle. I was wondering about the

18 messages 2005/01/30
[#128970] Re: nil question — Sam Roberts <sroberts@...> 2005/01/30

Quoteing brian@brianandkate.com, on Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 12:57:20PM +0900:

[#129086] 'example.com' == 'example.com.' => false... is this intended? — Sam Roberts <sroberts@...>

16 messages 2005/01/31

[#129144] interacting with ruby program — Navindra Umanee <navindra@...>

Hi,

22 messages 2005/01/31
[#129168] Re: interacting with ruby program — Florian Gross <flgr@...> 2005/01/31

Navindra Umanee wrote:

Re: [OT] Open Source Licenses against Software Patents

From: Thursday <nospam@...>
Date: 2005-01-21 08:55:59 UTC
List: ruby-talk #127474
Esteban Manchado Vel痙quez wrote:
> Hi Thursday,
> 
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2005 at 11:06:01PM +0900, Thursday wrote:
> 
>>[...]
>>Software patents have both positive and negative aspects.  Anyone simply 
>>preaching that it is all bad or all good are merely displaying their 
>>ignorance.
>>
>>I don't think many people look at the pros and cons of software patents. 
>> I think many just ride the bandwagon after listening to just one side 
>>of the argument (mindless sheep).
> 
> 
>    Sorry, simply not true.
>

How do you know it is not true?

I know it is true by talking to people and getting their opinions on 
this.  Ask pro-patent (software) people to name some big negatives about 
patents.  And ask anti-patent people to name some big positives.  You'll 
frequently find both sides struggling (or unwilling) most of the time.

It is an easy test to perform.

I challenge you:  name some big positive benefits of having software 
patents if you are anti-patent (software).

And if you are pro-patent, then I challenge you to name some big 
negatives of having software patents.

What are the root causes of the positives and the negatives?  What are 
some ways to gain all the positives without incurring the negatives?


>    Theoretically yes. But please do a little research and see _lots_ of
> absolutely obvious patents (the e-shop by FFII is particularly entertaining:
> http://webshop.ffii.org/).  I'm not saying that _necessarily_ most/all patents
> are obvious, but obvious ones usually (can) do a lot of harm. And I don't see
> non-obvious (I'm not even sure I've seen any of those) being
> innovation-fostering.
> 

No, not 'theoretically'.  The non-obviousness criteria is a specific 
requirement in patent law.  Non-obviousnesss is an actual test that is 
applied by patent examiners to determine if they should allow the patent.

Patent examiners are humans and mistakes.  Just like programmers being 
human and making mistakes.

Bad patents = mistakes made by patent examiners.  Just like buggy 
software = mistakes made by programmer.

"hey, i found many examples of bad patents so lets ban all patents!"
==
"hey, i found many examples of bad software so lets ban all software!".

In fact, we know of specific instances where bad software has actually 
cost human lives so the argument isn't silly (especially if your family 
members were among the victoms of bad software).

To say that patents should be banned because of examiners' mistakes is 
the same as saying software should be banned because of programmers' 
mistakes.  A better approach in both cases is to fix the causes of the 
problems rather than throwing out the whole thing.

Imagine anti-software demonstrations by non-techs in favor of abolishing 
software--yes, all software--because of bugs and security problems 
caused by bad programmers (or good programmers not given enough time by 
management).  Wouldn't it seem silly to programmers because they 
understand the benefits of software and that the problem isn't software 
itself--but that programmers aren't given enough training or time to 
accomplish their tasks?  Same thing is true with patents.  Patent 
examiners are under ridiculous pressure to examine complex patent 
applications in very little time.  In fact, the US patent office 
actually generates more money than they spend (profitable!) but the 
extra money is drained away into other areas of the govt instead of 
being reinvested into the office--this is an outrage given the crappy 
patents that are allowed to issue--and also an outrage given the valid 
patents are rejected automatically on insufficient grounds because the 
examiner is under stress.

>    And sorry, but I find it hilarious that without patents there won't be
> innovation. Do you see companies _not_ innovating or developing new things
> because they can't "protect" their "inventions"? Small bussinesses don't even
> have money to file/defend patents... :-)
> 

I find it hilarious too!  What fool told you there would be no 
innovation without patents?  It should be obvious there would still be 
some innovation without patents--but we'd probably see far fewer new 
drugs, medical devices, complex software of the kind that require lots 
of money to create.

Actually, yes. I've personally seen companies that do not develop new 
products they cannot sufficiently protect with patents.  If you don't 
believe me, speak with any seasoned venture capitalist, they'd tell you 
an important criteria to funding both new and existing companies with 
money to develop products is "barrier to entry".

In the USA, a small business or individual can file provisional or 
regular patent application for ~$100.  Legal fees can range from $500 - 
$50,000 for software patents if you *choose* to hire lawyers.  In the 
USA, patent examiners are actually *required* to help inventors who do 
not file with the help of a patent attorney--the examiner will actually 
write one claim for you (usually very, very narrow in scope).

If you have a good patent (one that isn't flawed by having previously 
undiscovered prior art and would not be deemed obvious and claims are 
properly supported and...) then you can find law firms (high quality 
ones) that would be willing to fight on your behalf on contingency (they 
get paid only if you win).

Bad patents, ones that should not have been issued, have virtually no 
chance of winning in court.  Their only worth is to anti-patent 
activists to showcase as examples but in court, they'd become 
invalidated if challenged.

>    Sorry for the Off-Topic, but specially being European, I had to state that
> people opposing patents aren't particularly mindless :-)
> 

I don't think it is mindless to oppose patents.  And I don't think it is 
mindless to favor patents.

But I think it is mindless to oppose or favor patents without 
understanding & considering both sides of the issue.

I say again, most (not all) people who oppose patents that I've spoken 
to cannot (or will not) list any major benefits of patents.  And most 
(not all) people who favor patents that I've spoken to cannot (or will 
not) list any major negatives of patents.  In my opinion, the former is 
driven by laziness in thinking and the latter is driven by greed/fear. 
Both are frustrating to communicate with, but sometimes they can be 
cured by education.


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