From: "Eustaquio Rangel de Oliveira Jr." <eustaquiorangel@...>
Date: 2005-01-06T01:50:17+09:00
Subject: Re: Ruby JOBS all around the world

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Hi!

| As you've noticed, my post is a gigantic generalization.  Sorry about
| that.

No need for apologize. :-)

| I like using XML to store documents, and XSLT is pretty neat, too.  What
| I don't like about Java culture is how it tends to overuse XML for
| configuring stuff that should be done in code.  See Rails vs any of the
| overengineered Java web stuff.

Yeah, that really mades me sick also. Everything needs to be *huge*, and if
it's not, they say you don't know what you're talking about. Argh. :-p

| I agree with you.  People used to the Java mentality try to use it in
| Ruby, too.  But that stuff doesn't survive in Ruby's culture.  People
| used to the Ruby mentality will probably apply it to Java development,
| and I'm not sure what will happen.  Maybe the recent undercurrents of
| simplicity are due to Pythonic and Rubian influence.

Yeah, the best thing I see when learning some languages is making this kind
of "filter". You become wondering how things works and it's a very cool thing.

|>Thanks God I never used J2EE or EJB's and never tempted by it. :-)
| Me neither.  :-)

Oooofs. They missed us. :-)

|>You could hire yourself and give you some cool tips about programming. :-)
| Yes, that would be fun!

I bet all of us wants a chance like that. Go back on the past and say "hey,
you stupid, what are you doing, check this out, now!" ehehe. :-)

| I'm not disputing that excellent Java/C++/C#/VB developers exist.  I
| just think they're a lot rarer than excellent Rubyists, Pythonistas,
| Smalltalkers, or Lispers.

Now you got a point. Seems that there's some kind of people that are more
convicted to others (even on those languages, but they do exist) on some,
let me say, "alternatives" languages.

| Don't accuse me of stuff like that.  I wouldn't try to *stop* my
| employees from doing whatever they like in their spare time.  But I'd
| certainly ask them about it before I'd hire them.  Because if a
| candidate works on open source projects in Ruby in his spare time,
| that's a fantastic sign.

No, was not a really serious accusation. Sorry about that. I put a :-) on
the end but sometimes is hard to express here this kind of thing. :-)

| Indeed.  If I were on that project, I'd suck it up and use Java in a
| heartbeat.  Maybe I'd see if one of the JVM dynamic languages would
| work.  If not, sure, use Java!  The great Ruby coders I hired can
| probably adapt to anything.  :-)

Yeah, do it on Java but when put it to work start to find a turn-around.
:-) I made this with a software here, because I just knew how to do that in
Java, but learned how to make in Python and now propabilly I'll convert it
to Ruby. As it's a software that runs on the server, no problem to make
this kind of thing, users don't are bothered about that. :-)

Hey, it's nice to talk with you guys. :-)

Best regards,

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Eust�quio "TaQ" Rangel
eustaquiorangel@yahoo.com
http://beam.to/taq
Usu�rio GNU/Linux no. 224050
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