From: Craig Moran <craig.m.moran.ruby@...>
Date: 2005-01-06T21:50:15+09:00
Subject: Re: Mailing list gateway getting reportted at SpamCop

I'd like to add a piece to this puzzle.  Maybe this will help to
trigger a solution.  I am using Gmail (as are plenty of other folks),
which does some SPAM filtering automatically.  I have received a few
bonafide SPAM messages via ruby-talk and have labelled them as such. 
However, Gmail's SPAM filtering has taken over and has started
labelling a few legitimate messages as SPAM and moves them from my
Inbox without me ever seeing them.  Does Gmail report these
automatically?

I don't wish to point the finger at anyone in case it is their fault
(and to save their pride), but I have noticed that these legitimate
postings to ruby-talk are all from the very same sender.  Only 6 such
email messages were auto-labelled as SPAM from 28 DEC 2004 to 5 JAN
2005.  Have any of our other Gmail users experienced this?

If the person's name and email will help clear this up, please request
a private message from me with a private email addy.
Warm Regards-
Craig

On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:16:02 +0900, Dennis Oelkers <dennis@lauschmusik.de> wrote:
> Hello list,
> 
> during the last few days we are receiving SpamCop-reports concerning the
> submission of mails originating
> from one of our host repeatedly. We found out that all of those reports
> are related to someone (or something)
> submitting mails from ruby-talk which were forwarded by the Usenet <->
> mailing list gateway running at our site,
> so SpamCop determined the gateway as the origin of those mails.
> 
> Those mails were not even close to uce, they are just 100% legitimate
> comp.lang.ruby postings, and it seems
> that the person (or the script?) submitting those postings to SpamCop is
> always the same.
> 
> Nevertheless we fear that we might get listed in the SpamCop-RBLs, and
> one of my Co-Admins (who is
> my supervisor) concluded the situation in our last conversation with the
> sentence "do something so it will stop".
> I guess I don't have to explain that "something" may mean "shut the
> gateway down" in the long run.
> 
> My questions:
> - Do we have the same problem with other mailing list traffic getting
> reported?
> - Is it possible to find out who is submitting the legitimate traffic to
> SpamCop, and manually unsubscribe that
>   address from ruby-talk?
> - Are there really people stupid enough to mix up mail they received
> from a mailing list (and which they probably
>   subscribed themself to) with uce, or is it a script which is reporting
> us at SpamCop?
> - Does anyone here has experience with SpamCop and false submissions?
> 
> I do not want to shut down the gateway in any case, but I might get
> forced to. I hope for your help.
> 
> Kind regards,
>                   Dennis Oelkers
> 
>