[#54640] bRuby? — Austin Ziegler <austin@...>

Can anyone explain to me what Yuya's package bRuby

16 messages 2002/11/01
[#54646] Re: bRuby? — Matt Gushee <mgushee@...> 2002/11/01

On Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 11:40:51AM +0900, Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#55128] Re: bRuby? (Yet another Ruby parser) — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson) 2002/11/07

In article <20021107151904lBE13F@ohmsha.co.jp>,

[#54839] rubyconf notes — Pat Eyler <pate@...>

On Saturday Night, I recommended that attendees of Ruby Conf send off

38 messages 2002/11/04
[#54881] Matz Roundtable Summary (was Re: rubyconf notes) — Paul Duncan <pabs@...> 2002/11/05

Below is my pieced together summary of matz's roundtable summary. It's

[#54862] A vision for Parrot — Daniel Pfeiffer <occitan@...>

Hi,

80 messages 2002/11/04

[#54889] PGP on the list (was: Re: Matz Roundtable Summary) — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net>

Paul Duncan (pabs@pablotron.org) wrote:

12 messages 2002/11/05

[#54906] Win32 support issues — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...>

<quote source="roundtable">

14 messages 2002/11/05

[#55091] PGP signatures — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...>

From: "Paul Duncan" <pabs@pablotron.org>

18 messages 2002/11/07

[#55149] Making Instace Variables Private/Local — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi Matz,

27 messages 2002/11/07

[#55221] CPAN Style installer — Tom Clarke <tom@...2i.com>

Hi all,

30 messages 2002/11/08
[#55233] Re: CPAN Style installer — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson) 2002/11/08

In article <Pine.LNX.4.44.0211071926160.7998-100000@localhost.localdomain>,

[#55241] Re: CPAN Style installer — Tom Clarke <tom@...2i.com> 2002/11/08

On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Phil Tomson wrote:

[#55290] Re: CPAN Style installer — " JamesBritt" <james@...> 2002/11/08

>

[#55291] Re: CPAN Style installer — tom <tom@...2i.com> 2002/11/08

On Sat, 9 Nov 2002, JamesBritt wrote:

[#55304] Re: CPAN Style installer — " JamesBritt" <james@...> 2002/11/08

> From: tom [mailto:tom@u2i.com]

[#55258] Beginner Question (Idiomatic way to subset an array — "Booth, Peter" <Peter.Booth@...>

I'm wondering if there is a more idiomatic way to do the following?

20 messages 2002/11/08
[#55261] Re: Beginner Question (Idiomatic way to subset an array — ahoward <ahoward@...> 2002/11/08

On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Booth, Peter wrote:

[#55268] return MyClass.new vs self.type.send :new — ahoward <ahoward@...> 2002/11/08

[#55361] Lighting Rod — Eric Armstrong <eric.armstrong@...>

I love Ruby's smalltalk features. I really do.

16 messages 2002/11/09

[#55369] Why use 'include' — Eric Schwartz <emschwar@...>

As requested, here's a FAQ question & answer on the usage of modules

13 messages 2002/11/09

[#55372] Random idea: Procedural CGI?? — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

I've been musing about something today,

17 messages 2002/11/09

[#55442] Recording of the Ruby segement on LL2 — Yohanes Santoso <ysantoso@...>

Hi all,

22 messages 2002/11/09

[#55461] www.ruby-doc.org — " JamesBritt" <james@...>

Jim Freeze's presentation at RubyConf 2002 mentioned, among other things, the

18 messages 2002/11/10

[#55563] EuRuKo: European Ruby conference — Armin Roehrl <armin@...>

Hi all,

15 messages 2002/11/11

[#55571] ruby-dev summary 18613-18710 — TAKAHASHI Masayoshi <maki@...>

Hi all,

26 messages 2002/11/11
[#55926] Re: ruby-dev summary 18613-18710 — timsuth@... (Tim Sutherland) 2002/11/15

In article <20021112020739J.maki@rubycolor.org>, TAKAHASHI Masayoshi wrote:

[#55929] Re: ruby-dev summary 18613-18710 — dblack@... 2002/11/15

Hi --

[#55955] Re: ruby-dev summary 18613-18710 — timsuth@... (Tim Sutherland) 2002/11/15

In article <Pine.LNX.4.44.0211142157370.25867-100000@candle.superlink.net>,

[#55750] Another Newbie question regarding instance variables? — montana <montana@...99.bsd.st>

The value of an instance variable is only available to the instance of the class, whereas the value of the class variable is available to all instances of the class? Is this correct?

10 messages 2002/11/13

[#55815] RubyConf 2002 Slides for FreeRIDE Presentation — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...>

I finally got the slides online from Rich Kilmer's FreeRIDE presentation at

40 messages 2002/11/14
[#55828] Re: RubyConf 2002 Slides for FreeRIDE Presentation — " JamesBritt" <james@...> 2002/11/14

>

[#55829] Re: RubyConf 2002 Slides for FreeRIDE Presentation — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2002/11/14

JamesBritt wrote:

[#56087] Re: RubyConf 2002 Slides for FreeRIDE Presentation — Robert McGovern <tarasis@...> 2002/11/17

Curt Hibbs wrote:

[#56088] Re: RubyConf 2002 Slides for FreeRIDE Presentation — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2002/11/17

Extensibility IN RUBY was the key thing for us. We wanted the IDE to be

[#55818] regex help — "Shashank Date" <sdate@...>

Using ruby 1.7.3 (2002-10-12) [i386-mswin32] on Win XP (Home)

14 messages 2002/11/14

[#55842] Ruby equivalent to Python's map()? — wolfoxbr@... (Roberto Amorim)

Hi...

18 messages 2002/11/14

[#56045] Not really a ruby question, but this is a smart group. Win32 file.write timing. — jcb@... (MetalOne)

I am trying to write non-compressed video to a file at 40 fps.

16 messages 2002/11/16

[#56119] ruby-dev summary 18711-18810 — Minero Aoki <aamine@...>

Hi all,

34 messages 2002/11/18

[#56131] identing ruby in vim — Maur兤io <briqueabraque@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2002/11/18

[#56158] install.rb/setup.rb question — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

I want to install a script that will be run as an executable which isn't a

26 messages 2002/11/18

[#56250] Need help dynamically creating classes. — pgregory@... (Paul Gregory)

I have a system at the moment where I create 'things' based on a base

11 messages 2002/11/19

[#56300] untainted, unfrozen, honest-to-god session data! — "Chris" <nemo@...>

Hello,

12 messages 2002/11/20

[#56376] Interpreted vs compiled [FAQ] defining methods anywhere — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>

Hello,

13 messages 2002/11/21
[#56378] Re: [FAQ] Interpreted vs compiled [FAQ] defining methods anywhere — "Iain 'Spoon' Truskett" <spoon-dated-1039065493.b360fd@...> 2002/11/21

* Daniel Carrera (dcarrera@math.umd.edu) [21 Nov 2002 16:07]:

[#56388] Ruby is too slow — jcb@... (MetalOne)

I have been writing some image processing algorithms that run on incoming

37 messages 2002/11/21

[#56440] Multiple constructors? — christopher.j.meisenzahl@...

18 messages 2002/11/21

[#56469] The ultimate Application — "Dat Nguyen" <thucdat@...>

13 messages 2002/11/21

[#56593] Ruby idom needed — Robert Cowham <rc@...>

What's the best ruby idiom for the following Perl:

23 messages 2002/11/24

[#56633] Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (11/24/02) — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

56 messages 2002/11/25
[#56679] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (11/24/02) — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/11/25

Hi,

[#56694] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (11/24/02) — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2002/11/26

From: "Simon Cozens" <simon@simon-cozens.org>

[#56695] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (11/24/02) — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...> 2002/11/26

[#56722] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (11/24/02) — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2002/11/26

On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:21:48 +0900, Daniel Carrera wrote:

[#56725] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (11/24/02) — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...> 2002/11/26

> It's applicable to a small subset of the total set of classes.

[#56726] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (11/24/02) — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2002/11/26

[#56729] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (11/24/02) — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...> 2002/11/26

[snip]

[#56738] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (11/24/02) — dblack@... 2002/11/26

Hi --

[#56744] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (11/24/02) — Jason Persampieri <helgaorg@...> 2002/11/26

> You're not changing the letter 'a' itself; you're

[#56764] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (11/24/02) — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2002/11/26

----- Original Message -----

[#56807] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (11/24/02) — Jason Persampieri <helgaorg@...> 2002/11/26

OK... I get it... I understood your argument (although

[#56812] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (11/24/02) — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/11/26

Jason Persampieri <helgaorg@yahoo.com> wrote:

[#56814] Re: Things That Newcomers to Ruby Should Know (11/24/02) — dblack@... 2002/11/26

Hi --

[#56665] FXRuby on Mandrake 8.2 — Ludo <coquelle@...>

Hi, could someone help a beginner rubyer please ?

15 messages 2002/11/25

[#56708] Default value of property — Tim Bates <tim@...>

I have an object, with a method that returns another object, or nil under

20 messages 2002/11/26

[#56719] each_with_index & collect_with_index? — Tim Bates <tim@...>

Array.each (and others) have an alternative .each_index which passes the index

34 messages 2002/11/26
[#56734] Re: each_with_index & collect_with_index? — dblack@... 2002/11/26

Hi --

[#56800] Re: each_with_index & collect_with_index? — Gordon Miller <gmiller@...> 2002/11/26

> As for the second.... I recently appointed myself President of

[#56845] Re: each_with_index & collect_with_index? — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...> 2002/11/27

Gordon Miller (gmiller@promisemark.com) wrote:

[#56849] Re: each_with_index & collect_with_index? — Jason Persampieri <helgaorg@...> 2002/11/27

> It would be really cool if, instead of having a

[#56851] Re: each_with_index & collect_with_index? — dblack@... 2002/11/27

Hi --

[#56772] RCR: Stack, Queue alias methods in Array — Martin DeMello <martindemello@...>

Rationale: Ruby arrays can be easily used as stacks and queues, but it's

46 messages 2002/11/26
[#56793] Re: RCR: Stack, Queue alias methods in Array — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/11/26

Hi,

[#56797] Re: RCR: Stack, Queue alias methods in Array — Nikodemus Siivola <tsiivola@...> 2002/11/26

[#56967] call-by-reference problem again — Shannon Fang <xrfang@...>

Hi there,

23 messages 2002/11/27
[#56970] Re: call-by-reference problem again — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...> 2002/11/27

Shannon Fang <xrfang@hotmail.com> wrote:

[#56972] Re: call-by-reference problem again — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2002/11/27

William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@y.glue.umd.edu> writes:

[#57146] Ruby ++, the one element and generators — "MikkelFJ" <mikkelfj-anti-spam@...>

21 messages 2002/11/30

[#57172] Numerical Ruby — Olivier Saut <Olivier.Saut@...>

Hi all,

14 messages 2002/11/30

Shoeboxes and Bindings

From: Jim Weirich <jweirich@...>
Date: 2002-11-28 05:06:34 UTC
List: ruby-talk #57005
Sorry for the long post.  I've been observing several threads recently
where the concept of assignment, mutablility and operators are
discussed.  Folk wonder why "++" is not an operator and wonder why you
can't assign to self.  They confuse the difference between modifying a
variable and modifying an object.

Now some of this is just being new to the language and you quickly
overcome it.  I also think a good deal of the problem is that many
programmers new to Ruby come from what I call "shoebox" languages, and
changing the way you think about variables and assignments in Ruby will
help you climb the learning curve a little faster.

So, here's some thoughts on variables and assignment.  If this helps you
great.  If it doesn't, well, that's ok too.

SHOEBOXES AND BINDINGS
-----------------------

When I was first learning about programming (mumble mumble) years ago,
variables were explained to me as shoeboxes.  A variable name denoted a
location in memory (a shoebox) which can hold things.  You put values
into the shoebox and they stay in there until you put something else in
there.  Each shoebox is exactly the right size to hold the type of data
you put into it.  Integers fit in int-sized shoeboxes and floating point
numbers fit in float-sized shoeboxes.  Pointers can be added to this
model by envisioning labels (addresses) for each shoebox and storing a
shoebox label in another shoebox.[1]  

Assignment is the act of copying a new value into one of your shoeboxes.

This model works really well for understanding FORTRAN (the language I
was learning at the time) and Algol, and reasonable well for C and C++. 
HOWEVER, this is exactly the wrong way to think about Ruby variables.

Consider the code ...

    a = b = "Hello"

The shoebox model encourages us to think that the string is in the 'a'
shoebox and another string is in the 'b' shoebox.  Therefore we are
surprised when modifying a changes b.  To explain this within the
shoebox model, we resort to talking about references and how the
shoeboxes 'a' and 'b' don't actually hold the string object, but hold a
reference to it.

All of this is perfectly correct, but I believe there is a better model
to use for Ruby variables.

In Ruby, the variable 'a' does not represent a shoebox that can store
things.  Instead, it represents an association between a name and an
object.  We call this association a "binding".  Executing the code ...

    a = "Hello"

binds the name 'a' to the string object "Hello".  References to 'a'
after the assignment will lookup the name 'a' in a dictionary of
bindings and will find the object currently associated with 'a'.  We no
longer need think of variables as shoeboxes containing objects, but as
names associated (bound) to objects.[2]

I see a number of advantages to this point of view.  

(1) The distinction between immediate values (like Fixnum) and reference
values (most everything else) becomes invisible.  

(2) Multiple assignment statements (like 'a = b = "Hello"') is explained
in terms of binding the names 'a' and 'b' to the same object.  No need
to talk about pointers or references.

(3) Assignment becomes an operation that is outside an object.  Objects
don't care what names they are bound to.   Therefore binding is not an
operation on an object and won't ever be a method on an object.  This
helps explain why "+=" is not a method and why "++" can't be implemented
as a method.

I found that adopting this view has helped me understand Ruby better.  I
hope it helps you as well.  Comments and feedback are encouraged.

Footnotes:

[1] I used this technique to explain pointers when I taught a class
    in C, except I used styrofoam cups with labels instead of shoeboxes.
    I would write on yellow postit notes and drop them into the cups
    (variables).  Each cup had a label, so to represent a pointer I 
    would write another cup's label on a postit and put it in a cup
    representing a pointer variable.  It was actually a rather effective
    in demonstration.

[2] Variables as name bindings is not unique to Ruby.  I first
    encountered the concept when learning Lisp (what I learned after
    studying FORTRAN).  I've also read threads in the Python newgroup
    where someone was offering a similar explaination of variable 
    binding for Python.  I'm sure there are many other languages where
    binding is a better model than shoeboxes.

-- 
-- Jim Weirich     jweirich@one.net    http://w3.one.net/~jweirich
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