[#101991] Gateway appears to be working!! — "David A. Black" <dblack@...>

Hi --

13 messages 2004/06/01

[#102028] What is the equivalent of Python's "%s" % "MyString"? — "Sam Sungshik Kong" <ssk@...>

Hello!

20 messages 2004/06/01

[#102050] Obfuscating Ruby Code. — "Ken Hilton" <kenosis@...>

Does anyone know of a Ruby source code obfuscator that's reliable and

56 messages 2004/06/01

[#102170] Floating point division operator /. (or fdiv method) — Michael Neumann <mneumann@...>

Hi,

31 messages 2004/06/02
[#102247] Re: [RCR] Floating point division operator /. (or fdiv method) — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2004/06/03

[#102231] Reply wasn't posted; will test new post — "Pe, Botp" <botp@...>

Hi ALL:

38 messages 2004/06/03
[#102236] Re: Reply wasn't posted; will test new post — "daz" <dooby@...10.karoo.co.uk> 2004/06/03

[#102241] Re: Reply wasn't posted; will test new post — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/06/03

Hi --

[#102366] Active Record 0.8.2: Inheritable callback ques — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...>

What's new in Active Record 0.8.2?

13 messages 2004/06/04

[#102401] Problem Installing Ruby Gems 0.4.0 on XP not segfault — "Ernie" <erne@...>

I get the following error I'm running Ruby 1.8 windows version installed

10 messages 2004/06/04

[#102412] Check assertion in Ruby — Edgardo Hames <ehames@...>

Hi, everybody. I would like to use an assert like function to test the

20 messages 2004/06/04

[#102431] How to ducktype a Hash? — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...>

I need to detect when an object is a hash-like container for other objects,

137 messages 2004/06/05
[#102456] Re: How to ducktype a Hash? — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2004/06/05

[#102495] Re: How to ducktype a Hash? — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/06/05

On Saturday 05 June 2004 02:28, Robert Klemme wrote:

[#102496] Re: How to ducktype a Hash? — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2004/06/05

[#102499] Re: How to ducktype a Hash? — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/06/05

On Saturday 05 June 2004 10:39, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#102507] Re: How to ducktype a Hash? — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2004/06/05

[#102514] Re: How to ducktype a Hash? — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/06/06

On Saturday 05 June 2004 13:30, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#102530] Re: How to ducktype a Hash? — "John W. Long" <ng@...> 2004/06/06

Sean O'Dell wrote:

[#102535] Re: How to ducktype a Hash? — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/06/06

On Saturday 05 June 2004 21:05, John W. Long wrote:

[#102563] Re: How to ducktype a Hash? — David Garamond <lists@...6.isreserved.com> 2004/06/06

Sean O'Dell wrote:

[#102573] Re: How to ducktype a Hash? — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/06/06

Hi --

[#102465] Re: How to ducktype a Hash? — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...1.vip.ukl.yahoo.com> 2004/06/05

il Sat, 5 Jun 2004 11:15:37 +0900, "Sean O'Dell" <sean@celsoft.com> ha

[#102509] Re: How to ducktype a Hash? — "John W. Long" <ng@...> 2004/06/05

[#102516] Re: How to ducktype a Hash? — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/06/06

On Saturday 05 June 2004 15:01, John W. Long wrote:

[#102649] Re: How to ducktype a Hash? — "Dave Burt" <burtdav@...> 2004/06/07

param.respond_to? '[]' and

[#102445] class A::B verses module A ; class B — quixoticsycophant@... (Jeff Mitchell)

module A

14 messages 2004/06/05

[#102597] Segfault on embedded ruby. — Godot <garciamj@...>

16 messages 2004/06/06

[#102601] Instiki 0.9.0: Rendering improvements, Latex integration, OS X version — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...>

What's new in Instiki 0.9.0?

9 messages 2004/06/06

[#102675] Waiting for condor output files — Milo Thurston <nospam@...>

I've got a script that submits a whole load of condor jobs, and has to

11 messages 2004/06/07

[#102710] Re: How to ducktype a Hash? — "Austin Ziegler" <Austin.Ziegler@...>

> dblack@wobblini.evault.com

18 messages 2004/06/07

[#102716] Re: Unit tests ... not just for the young — "Kloubakov, Yura" <YKloubakov@...>

22 messages 2004/06/07
[#102729] Re: Unit tests ... not just for the young — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/06/08

On Monday 07 June 2004 16:13, Kloubakov, Yura wrote:

[#102789] Re: Unit tests ... not just for the young — Michael Campbell <michael.campbell@...> 2004/06/08

> I've worked with some fresh guys right

[#102796] Re: Unit tests ... not just for the young — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/06/08

On Tuesday 08 June 2004 07:55, Michael Campbell wrote:

[#102808] Re: Unit tests ... not just for the young — Michael Campbell <michael.campbell@...> 2004/06/08

> Non-college grads, though, never got hired unless they could prove their

[#102819] Re: Unit tests ... not just for the young — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/06/08

On Tuesday 08 June 2004 10:03, Michael Campbell wrote:

[#102822] Re: Unit tests ... not just for the young — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2004/06/08

On Wednesday, 9 June 2004 at 3:52:21 +0900, Sean O'Dell wrote:

[#102823] Re: Unit tests ... not just for the young — Michael Campbell <michael.campbell@...> 2004/06/08

>

[#102824] Re: Unit tests ... not just for the young — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/06/08

On Tuesday 08 June 2004 12:12, Michael Campbell wrote:

[#102731] Interfaces and semantics (or, how to hashpipe a duck) — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

Semantics, James Thurber notwithstanding, is not a town in Ohio.

34 messages 2004/06/08
[#102814] Re: Interfaces and semantics (or, how to hashpipe a duck) — djberg96@... (Daniel Berger) 2004/06/08

"Sean O'Dell" <sean@celsoft.com> wrote in message news:<200406080736.32485.sean@celsoft.com>...

[#102818] Re: Interfaces and semantics (or, how to hashpipe a duck) — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/06/08

On Tuesday 08 June 2004 11:23, Daniel Berger wrote:

[#102839] Re: Interfaces and semantics (or, how to hashpipe a duck) — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/06/08

Hi --

[#102788] ruby and mustard — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...>

20 messages 2004/06/08

[#102817] Ruby/Interface — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...>

Ruby/Interface 0.1-1

18 messages 2004/06/08

[#102863] oddities with select — Ben Giddings <bg-rubytalk@...>

I'm trying to use Ruby to talk to an network application, and noticed

21 messages 2004/06/08

[#102890] Re: Unit tests ... not just for the young — "Pe, Botp" <botp@...>

Gennady [mailto:gfb@tonesoft.com] wrote:

39 messages 2004/06/09
[#102891] Re: Unit tests ... not just for the young — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2004/06/09

On Wednesday, 9 June 2004 at 11:46:12 +0900, "Pe?a, Botp" wrote:

[#102896] Re: Unit tests ... not just for the young — Dan Tapp <dhtapp@..._sig_line.com> 2004/06/09

Jim Freeze wrote:

[#102900] Re: Unit tests ... not just for the young — Tyler Zesiger <mailing-lists@...> 2004/06/09

I'd be afraid to hire a code-monkey who said yes.

[#102929] Re: Unit tests ... not just for the young — Tom Copeland <tom@...> 2004/06/09

On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 01:21, Tyler Zesiger wrote:

[#102930] Re: [OT] Re: Unit tests ... not just for the young — Michael Campbell <michael.campbell@...> 2004/06/09

On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:48:30 +0900, Tom Copeland <tom@infoether.com> wrote:

[#102931] Re: [OT] Re: Unit tests ... not just for the young — Tom Copeland <tom@...> 2004/06/09

On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 09:56, Michael Campbell wrote:

[#102934] Re: [OT] Re: Unit tests ... not just for the young — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2004/06/09

On Wednesday, 9 June 2004 at 23:02:22 +0900, Tom Copeland wrote:

[#102978] Re: [OT] Re: Unit tests ... not just for the young — Jean-Hugues ROBERT <jean_hugues_robert@...> 2004/06/09

At 23:21 09/06/2004 +0900, you wrote:

[#102914] strip DOS ^Ms? — Dick Davies <rasputnik@...>

15 messages 2004/06/09

[#102922] Active Record 0.8.3: Modules, mapping, and transactions — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...>

What's new in Active Record 0.8.3?

12 messages 2004/06/09

[#102950] #include <re.h> required for Opteron but not Pentium. — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

Hi

14 messages 2004/06/09
[#103007] Re: #include <re.h> required for Opteron but not Pentium. — Tim Hunter <cyclists@...> 2004/06/09

On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 03:58:55 +0900, Jim Freeze wrote:

[#102951] History of Languages poster from O'Reilly — djberg96@... (Daniel Berger)

Hi all,

12 messages 2004/06/09

[#103072] Graphing 2Ds in Python is pretty easy... — piir@... (Todd Gardner)

Hello everyone,

16 messages 2004/06/10

[#103172] Array#rest — Charles Comstock <cc1@...>

I find myself frequently using array slice of 1..-1, to pass the rest of an

25 messages 2004/06/11

[#103217] Switch to .ruby extension? — doodpants@... (Karl von Laudermann)

The current convention for Ruby source file names is to end them with

72 messages 2004/06/11
[#103228] Re: Switch to .ruby extension? — Tyler Zesiger <mailing-lists@...> 2004/06/11

The obsessive levels of abbreviation in the *nix world infuriate me.

[#103580] Re: Switch to .ruby extension? — "SER" <ser@...> 2004/06/14

> I remember when I first started using linux (now I use FreeBSD, which

[#103599] Re: Switch to .ruby extension? — Tyler Zesiger <mailing-lists@...> 2004/06/14

I don't know how much of the thread you read through, but I repeated at

[#103602] Re: Switch to .ruby extension? — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/06/14

On Monday 14 June 2004 16:13, Tyler Zesiger wrote:

[#103605] Re: Switch to .ruby extension? — "Zach Dennis" <zdennis@...> 2004/06/14

>Most programmers

[#103608] Re: Switch to .ruby extension? — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/06/15

On Monday 14 June 2004 16:46, Zach Dennis wrote:

[#103618] Re: Switch to .ruby extension? — Sam Roberts <sroberts@...> 2004/06/15

Quoteing sean@celsoft.com, on Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 09:40:26AM +0900:

[#103622] Re: Switch to .ruby extension? — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/06/15

On Monday 14 June 2004 19:09, Sam Roberts wrote:

[#103673] Re: Switch to .ruby extension? — Sam Roberts <sroberts@...> 2004/06/15

Wrote Sean O'Dell <sean@celsoft.com>, on Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 11:36:18AM +0900:

[#103239] Re: Switch to .ruby extension? [OT] — Mark Hubbart <discord@...> 2004/06/11

[#103246] Re: Switch to .ruby extension? [OT] — Tyler Zesiger <mailing-lists@...> 2004/06/11

I think I may be earning myself a reputation as a user-friendliness

[#103252] Re: Switch to .ruby extension? [OT] — "Zach Dennis" <zdennis@...> 2004/06/11

[#103258] Re: Switch to .ruby extension? [OT] — Tyler Zesiger <mailing-lists@...> 2004/06/11

[#103225] celsoft.com/Battery 0.1.1 — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...>

Battery is a unit testing framework for Ruby. It captures all standard error

61 messages 2004/06/11
[#103236] Re: [ANN] celsoft.com/Battery 0.1.1 — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/06/11

Hi --

[#103250] Re: [ANN] celsoft.com/Battery 0.1.1 — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/06/11

On Friday 11 June 2004 11:47, David A. Black wrote:

[#103267] Re: [ANN] celsoft.com/Battery 0.1.1 — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/06/12

Hi --

[#103275] Re: [ANN] celsoft.com/Battery 0.1.1 — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/06/12

On Friday 11 June 2004 18:08, David A. Black wrote:

[#103308] Re: [ANN] celsoft.com/Battery 0.1.1 — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/06/12

On Sat, 12 Jun 2004, Sean O'Dell wrote:

[#103329] Re: [ANN] celsoft.com/Battery 0.1.1 — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/06/12

On Saturday 12 June 2004 03:49, David A. Black wrote:

[#103353] Re: [ANN] celsoft.com/Battery 0.1.1 — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/06/12

> arbitrary:

[#103366] Re: [ANN] celsoft.com/Battery 0.1.1 — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/06/12

On Saturday 12 June 2004 13:34, David A. Black wrote:

[#103389] Re: [ANN] celsoft.com/Battery 0.1.1 — Jean-Hugues ROBERT <jean_hugues_robert@...> 2004/06/13

At 08:12 13/06/2004 +0900, you wrote:

[#103525] Re: [ANN] celsoft.com/Battery 0.1.1 — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/06/14

On Sunday 13 June 2004 00:13, Jean-Hugues ROBERT wrote:

[#103533] Re: [ANN] celsoft.com/Battery 0.1.1 — James Britt <jamesUNDERBARb@...> 2004/06/14

Sean O'Dell wrote:

[#103536] Re: [ANN] celsoft.com/Battery 0.1.1 — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/06/14

On Monday 14 June 2004 09:27, James Britt wrote:

[#103412] Re: [ANN] celsoft.com/Battery 0.1.1 — Nathaniel Talbott <nathaniel@...> 2004/06/13

On Jun 12, 2004, at 12:28, Sean O'Dell wrote:

[#103413] Re: [ANN] celsoft.com/Battery 0.1.1 — Jamis Buck <jgb3@...> 2004/06/13

Nathaniel Talbott wrote:

[#103532] Re: [ANN] celsoft.com/Battery 0.1.1 — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/06/14

On Sunday 13 June 2004 07:52, Jamis Buck wrote:

[#103293] Any way to get the calling method's binding? — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>

Something I've wanted to do on a few occasions recently is to evaluate

13 messages 2004/06/12

[#103328] OpenSSL: patch — Jamis Buck <jgb3@...>

Attached is a patch for the Ruby/OpenSSL module, done against the code

25 messages 2004/06/12

[#103334] undefine — tony summerfelt <snowzone5@...>

is there a way to undefine a variable?

43 messages 2004/06/12
[#103405] Re: undefine — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2004/06/13

[#103438] undefine — tony summerfelt <snowzone5@...> 2004/06/13

On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 20:08:48 +0900, you wrote:

[#103465] Re: undefine — Claus Spitzer <DocBoobenstein@...> 2004/06/14

Again, this is where it's useful to consider the OO approach and think

[#103550] undefine — tony summerfelt <snowzone5@...> 2004/06/14

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 16:18:32 +0900, you wrote:

[#103560] Re: undefine — Michael Campbell <michael.campbell@...> 2004/06/14

> i just need the variable to 'not exist' however it's thought about (by

[#103335] "www.ruby-lang.org" still down for maintenance - thats not good — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...>

Hello,

12 messages 2004/06/12

[#103381] Ruby /.'ted — Dan Tapp <dhtapp@..._sig_line.com>

Ruby was just slashdotted under "Developers: Searching for the Best

14 messages 2004/06/13

[#103404] How to read a .csv file into a 2D array? — piir@... (Todd Gardner)

Hello everyone,

16 messages 2004/06/13

[#103468] Non-standard library project — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>

Hi all,

28 messages 2004/06/14

[#103650] "Litte Ruby" book — Csaba Henk <csaba@..._for_avoiding_spam.org>

The book (or book-germ) entitled "A Little Ruby, A Lot of Objects" was

15 messages 2004/06/15

[#103697] a newbie question about main, Object... — "Sam Sungshik Kong" <ssk@...>

Hello!

14 messages 2004/06/15

[#103742] Re: [ANN] celsoft.com/Battery 0.1.1 — "Austin Ziegler" <Austin.Ziegler@...>

Sean O'Dell [mailto:sean@celsoft.com] :

17 messages 2004/06/15
[#103744] Re: [ANN] celsoft.com/Battery 0.1.1 — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/06/15

On Tuesday 15 June 2004 13:53, Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#103874] Bidirectional named pipes on Linux — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson)

12 messages 2004/06/16

[#103930] introducing Hash-like mixin — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...1.vip.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi gurus and nubys,

17 messages 2004/06/17

[#103974] the new great computer language shootout — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson)

26 messages 2004/06/17
[#103975] Re: the new great computer language shootout — Lennon Day-Reynolds <rcoder@...> 2004/06/17

Part of the speedup appears to be from their use of the Psyco JIT

[#103986] Re: the new great computer language shootout — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2004/06/17

Lennon Day-Reynolds (rcoder@gmail.com) wrote:

[#103992] Re: the new great computer language shootout — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2004/06/17

Eric Hodel (drbrain@segment7.net) wrote:

[#103977] How to make generic #== method? — Zakaria <zakaria@...>

Hi,

13 messages 2004/06/17

[#103993] Generating "real-time" 2D line plots in Windows 2k? — piir@... (Todd Gardner)

Hello everyone,

11 messages 2004/06/17

[#104182] rubys web performance — Florian Weber <csshsh@...>

hi!

31 messages 2004/06/20

[#104222] About top-level method — "Sam Sungshik Kong" <ssk@...>

Hello!

15 messages 2004/06/21

[#104272] A question about Class and Object — "Sam Sungshik Kong" <ssk@...>

Hello!

18 messages 2004/06/21

[#104364] Newbie question - how to replace multiple whitespace within a string? — Brian Tully <btully@...>

Sorry if this is too basic a question but I just inherited a handful of Ruby

10 messages 2004/06/22

[#104455] rubygems thoughts — Hans Fugal <fugalh@...>

My participation here is sporadic at best, so forgive me if these

34 messages 2004/06/24
[#104459] Re: rubygems thoughts — "Jim Weirich" <jim@...> 2004/06/24

[#104465] Re: rubygems thoughts — Hans Fugal <hfugal@...> 2004/06/24

Jim Weirich wrote:

[#104466] Re: rubygems thoughts — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/06/24

On Thursday 24 June 2004 10:18, Hans Fugal wrote:

[#104494] Is it considered Harmful? — "rolo" <rohitlodha@...>

Hi

133 messages 2004/06/24
[#104495] Re: Is it considered Harmful? — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/06/24

On Thursday 24 June 2004 16:15, rolo wrote:

[#104498] Re: Is it considered Harmful? — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2004/06/24

Sean O'Dell (sean@celsoft.com) wrote:

[#104499] Re: Is it considered Harmful? — "rolo" <rohitlodha@...> 2004/06/25

> Sean O'Dell (sean@celsoft.com) wrote:

[#104500] Re: Is it considered Harmful? — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/06/25

On Thursday 24 June 2004 17:23, rolo wrote:

[#104526] Re: Is it considered Harmful? — ts <decoux@...> 2004/06/25

>>>>> "S" == Sean O'Dell <sean@celsoft.com> writes:

[#104539] Re: Is it considered Harmful? — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/06/25

On Friday 25 June 2004 02:19, ts wrote:

[#104542] Re: Is it considered Harmful? — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2004/06/25

[#104587] Re: Is it considered Harmful? — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/06/25

On Friday 25 June 2004 08:57, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#104636] Re: Is it considered Harmful? — ts <decoux@...> 2004/06/26

>>>>> "S" == Sean O'Dell <sean@celsoft.com> writes:

[#104646] Re: Is it considered Harmful? — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/06/26

On Saturday 26 June 2004 04:19, ts wrote:

[#104663] Re: Is it considered Harmful? — ts <decoux@...> 2004/06/27

>>>>> "S" == Sean O'Dell <sean@celsoft.com> writes:

[#104694] Re: Is it considered Harmful? — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/06/27

On Sunday 27 June 2004 01:41, ts wrote:

[#104699] Re: Is it considered Harmful? — Patrick May <patrick@...> 2004/06/27

I think that #become and #class= are _theoretically_ wrong. Such a

[#104700] Re: Is it considered Harmful? — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/06/27

On Sunday 27 June 2004 13:44, Patrick May wrote:

[#104701] Re: Is it considered Harmful? — Patrick May <patrick@...> 2004/06/27

On Sunday, June 27, 2004, at 05:20 PM, Sean O'Dell wrote:

[#104706] Re: Is it considered Harmful? — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/06/27

On Sunday 27 June 2004 14:48, Patrick May wrote:

[#104710] Re: Is it considered Harmful? — Patrick May <patrick@...> 2004/06/27

Sean,

[#104712] Re: Is it considered Harmful? — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/06/27

On Sunday 27 June 2004 15:43, Patrick May wrote:

[#104714] Re: Is it considered Harmful? — Patrick May <patrick@...> 2004/06/27

[#104715] Re: Is it considered Harmful? — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/06/28

On Sunday 27 June 2004 16:53, Patrick May wrote:

[#104716] Re: Is it considered Harmful? — Patrick May <patrick@...> 2004/06/28

[#104724] Re: Is it considered Harmful? — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/06/28

On Sunday 27 June 2004 17:30, Patrick May wrote:

[#104754] Re: Is it considered Harmful? — Patrick May <patrick@...> 2004/06/28

Sean,

[#104763] Re: Is it considered Harmful? — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/06/28

On Monday 28 June 2004 05:45, Patrick May wrote:

[#104764] Re: Is it considered Harmful? — Mikael Brockman <phubuh@...> 2004/06/28

"Sean O'Dell" <sean@celsoft.com> writes:

[#104766] Re: Is it considered Harmful? — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/06/28

On Monday 28 June 2004 08:33, Mikael Brockman wrote:

[#104767] Re: Is it considered Harmful? — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2004/06/28

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:58:22 +0900, Sean O'Dell <sean@celsoft.com> wrote:

[#104769] Re: Is it considered Harmful? — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/06/28

On Monday 28 June 2004 09:27, Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#104787] Re: [OT] Re: Is it considered Harmful? — "Bill Kelly" <billk@...> 2004/06/28

Hi,

[#104533] Re: Is it considered Harmful? — Scott Rubin <srubin@...> 2004/06/25

I can't possibly imagine it being useful to do this except when the

[#104535] Re: Is it considered Harmful? — "Jim Weirich" <jim@...> 2004/06/25

[#104501] Building Ruby on AIX -- again — Matt Lawrence <matt@...>

I finally have a stable system to use to try to build Ruby. Here's the

18 messages 2004/06/25
[#104510] Re: Building Ruby on AIX -- again — nobu.nokada@... 2004/06/25

Hi,

[#104511] Re: Building Ruby on AIX -- again — Matt Lawrence <matt@...> 2004/06/25

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 nobu.nokada@softhome.net wrote:

[#104512] Re: Building Ruby on AIX -- again — nobu.nokada@... 2004/06/25

Hi,

[#104513] Re: Building Ruby on AIX -- again — Matt Lawrence <matt@...> 2004/06/25

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 nobu.nokada@softhome.net wrote:

[#104601] OSCON Ruby tutorials cancelled? — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson)

14 messages 2004/06/25

[#104637] SQLite-Ruby and "other chrs" — Meino Christian Cramer <Meino.Cramer@...>

Hi,

13 messages 2004/06/26

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Re: [OT] Re: Unit tests ... not just for the young

From: Tyler Zesiger <mailing-lists@...>
Date: 2004-06-10 17:23:51 UTC
List: ruby-talk #103115
Ruby and Dylan kind of remind me of each other. They were both conceived 
at about the same time. Dylan is designed to be a "production" language, 
capable of replacing C/C++. I'm just barely getting into it, but I liked 
it better than Eiffel, and it seems to have a great future even though 
it's largely ignored so far. It consistently ranks well in the ICFP 
lanugages contest - http://www.cis.upenn.edu/proj/plclub/contest/ - But 
as far as I know, there's not much production code written using Dylan.

Apple had financial troubles and dropped the Dylan project. Bob Dylan 
won millions of dollars out of a lawsuit over the fact that Dylan was 
distributed on a CD with the word "Dylan" on the front. And Dylan seems 
to be only now catching up to where it should have been in the mid 1990's.

Anyways, Dylan, Ruby, and Scheme are the languages I've decided to be 
worthwhile, in that order (Besides C/C++ of course). They seem to be the 
best designed languages out there, without being too obscure or 
immature. All three of them are ready for production. Dylan doesn't have 
a lot of libraries available for it yet, but it can use C libraries, so 
it's not a huge issue. Ruby can work with C as well, through SWIG, so 
it's not a show stopper for Ruby either.

Dylan currently has two compilers available, and they both generate C 
code before using another compiler to produce an executable binary, so 
compilation times will be really slow until the last C compilation step 
is eliminated.

One of them is called Functional Developer, or just FunDev for short, 
and it's a Windows only ex-commercial product that depends on MSVC for 
it's final C compilation step. FunDev will probably be open-sourced 
soon. Gwydion Dylan is the open source compiler that's available, and 
it'll run on anything that's *nix, as well as windows with some extra 
work through Cygwin or MinGW. It depends on GCC for it's final C 
compilation step.

The #dylan channel on the freenode IRC network is quite active, but 
there's only about 15 to 20 people in it at any given time, with a spike 
in activity every time Dylan gets slasdotted. I first found out about 
Dylan through slashdot.

So, to sum up, I'm still digging deeper, but I suspect Dylan and Ruby 
will be what I will use most, with maybe some Scheme thrown in when it's 
convenient. Other languages that are interesting, but I doubt I will use 
are Eiffel, Ocaml, and Modula-3. I've decided to ignore those just 
because Dylan and Ruby cover the spectrum pretty well by themselves, for 
production code. Scheme is the "fun" language that I can twiddle with 
when I get around to it. Maybe I'll change my mind later, but that's my 
thinking so far.

Any other languages will probably have to be backwards compatible with C 
or C++, as Dylan and Ruby are, before I'll give them any heed, since I'm 
mostly interested in languages that are ready to work.



Nicholas Van Weerdenburg wrote:

> No I haven't.  Eiffel and Dylan are two other languages I've noted 
> floating in the zeitgeist as worth exploring. I'm mainly focusing on 
> Ruby and Emacs Lisp at the moment. I tried Smalltalk via Squeak, but 
> found Squeak very bizarre, so I moved onto lisp/scheme for amusement for 
> now. Actually, Ruby blocks as an example of higher-order-functions led 
> me through about six hours of reading ruby-python discussions, which led 
> me to lisp comparisions, which lead to scheme, etc. Hyperlinks are evil 
> :). That said, Ruby does seem to be a truly inspired melding all the 
> different language capabilities.
> 
> Has Dylan ever been used for production software?
> 
> Nick
> 
> Tyler Zesiger wrote:
> 
>> Have you checked out Dylan? It's a bit of an improvement over 
>> smalltalk supposedly. I've been looking it over, and I like it so far.
>>
>> Nicholas Van Weerdenburg wrote:
>>
>>> Then I realized Java sucks, so I'm now learning ruby, python, lisp, 
>>> smalltalk and scheme. Now I am just confused, and wonder how 
>>> civilization ever happened :).
>>>
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>> Jean-Hugues ROBERT wrote:
>>>
>>>> ... snipped...
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At my company, we have two career tracks (called ladders):
>>>>> Technical and Managerial.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can be either an individual contributor, or a manager. :)
>>>>> Some tech people are team leads or may have direct reports,
>>>>> but they are not considered managers -- I'm not sure
>>>>> where the line is drawn.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for myself, I can't bring myself to aspire to a manager
>>>>> position yet. Maybe when I am older (like 80). There
>>>>> are some multi talented people out there, but I wonder if
>>>>> a good programmer can really aspire to a managerial postion.
>>>>>
>>>>> To be a good programmer, you really have to love what you do.
>>>>> How could someone aspire to move away from something they
>>>>> really love?
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Jim Freeze
>>>>> No matter what other nations may say about the United States,
>>>>> immigration is still the sincerest form of flattery.   
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I started a company in 1987. I believe that by 1993 we must
>>>> have been 15 people. I was a programmer. A version 2 of our
>>>> major product was starting. A year after I realized that there
>>>> was an issue. Informal communication was not working anymore.
>>>> Bug fixing was constantly delayed. Deadlines were missed.
>>>> I then realize that there was a need for somebody to organize
>>>> thing so that the product would survive. That is when I
>>>> became a manager I guess. A few years latter I was hired as
>>>> VP Engineerer of some startup. After the Internet bubble
>>>> explosion I worked fixing my old house. Now I am back to
>>>> programming. I have always loved that. But at some point I
>>>> really felt like there was a need for a manager, I loved
>>>> the result of programming (The Product) more than my
>>>> contributions to it and I kind of put aside my programming
>>>> pleasure to help the product succeed. That worked, very
>>>> well, I don't regret it at all.
>>>>
>>>> Not mentioning the fact that as VP Engineerer, I was making
>>>> more money that will ever be possible for a programmer in
>>>> my country, France. I needed that money to fix my old house.
>>>>
>>>> This story may give you some ideas about why somebody would
>>>> move away from something she/he really like.
>>>>
>>>> Yours,
>>>>
>>>> JeanHuguesRobert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
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