From: Tyler Zesiger Date: 2004-06-10T13:59:20+09:00 Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Unit tests ... not just for the young Have you checked out Dylan? It's a bit of an improvement over smalltalk supposedly. I've been looking it over, and I like it so far. Nicholas Van Weerdenburg wrote: > Then I realized Java sucks, so I'm > now learning ruby, python, lisp, smalltalk and scheme. Now I am just > confused, and wonder how civilization ever happened :). > [snip] > Nick > > Jean-Hugues ROBERT wrote: > >> ... snipped... >> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> At my company, we have two career tracks (called ladders): >>> Technical and Managerial. >>> >>> You can be either an individual contributor, or a manager. :) >>> Some tech people are team leads or may have direct reports, >>> but they are not considered managers -- I'm not sure >>> where the line is drawn. >>> >>> As for myself, I can't bring myself to aspire to a manager >>> position yet. Maybe when I am older (like 80). There >>> are some multi talented people out there, but I wonder if >>> a good programmer can really aspire to a managerial postion. >>> >>> To be a good programmer, you really have to love what you do. >>> How could someone aspire to move away from something they >>> really love? >>> >>> -- >>> Jim Freeze >>> No matter what other nations may say about the United States, >>> immigration is still the sincerest form of flattery. >> >> >> I started a company in 1987. I believe that by 1993 we must >> have been 15 people. I was a programmer. A version 2 of our >> major product was starting. A year after I realized that there >> was an issue. Informal communication was not working anymore. >> Bug fixing was constantly delayed. Deadlines were missed. >> I then realize that there was a need for somebody to organize >> thing so that the product would survive. That is when I >> became a manager I guess. A few years latter I was hired as >> VP Engineerer of some startup. After the Internet bubble >> explosion I worked fixing my old house. Now I am back to >> programming. I have always loved that. But at some point I >> really felt like there was a need for a manager, I loved >> the result of programming (The Product) more than my >> contributions to it and I kind of put aside my programming >> pleasure to help the product succeed. That worked, very >> well, I don't regret it at all. >> >> Not mentioning the fact that as VP Engineerer, I was making >> more money that will ever be possible for a programmer in >> my country, France. I needed that money to fix my old house. >> >> This story may give you some ideas about why somebody would >> move away from something she/he really like. >> >> Yours, >> >> JeanHuguesRobert >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Web: http://hdl.handle.net/1030.37/1.1 >> Phone: +33 (0) 4 92 27 74 17 >> >> >> >> > > >