From: Robert Klemme Date: 2004-06-06T20:18:38+09:00 Subject: Re: Reply wasn't posted; will test new post "Thomas Fini Hansen" schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:20040605114256.GA831@saber.xen.dk... > On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 06:18:43PM +0900, Robert Klemme wrote: > > "Thomas Fini Hansen" schrieb im Newsbeitrag > > > Oh, a world without Outlook.. As much as I'd love to see that, it's > > > not an option either. Unless someone could come up with a gateway that > > > fixes posts from Outlook. Secondly, there's webmails out there that > > > has similar problems. > > > > You're bashing the wrong pig here. > > Perhaps, but I'm not particularly convinced. > > > "Outlook" itself does no news (at least older versions, I'm not > > fully up to date). Instead it delegated news handling to "Outlook > > Express" - a whole differnt piece of software (which I am using > > btw). > > Sounds reasonble to me, I'm not entirely up on Outlook either. > > > "Outlook Express" does a nice job inserting "References" headers, > > which you can verify with this posting. > > Yes, that's OE as a newsreader, but all my ranting was in the context > of O(E) as a mail client. Actually I figure it does a decent job as a > newsreader, but that'a not how most people use it. Ah, ok, I missed that one. Thought you were talking about news. > But I did a quick investigation, in a post by Austin Ziegler: > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 > And it has no In-Reply-To or References.. But the Tread headers. OK, > that's general MS evilness, there's no reason that because Outlook is > attached to an Exchange server, that it can't make proper mails when > sending to external addresses. > > Then theres daz > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 > And it looks good, but again, he's using it as a mailreader. Sounds like OE is the more mature product for the big wide world of internet communication. AFAIK Outlook started out as an Exchange Server client, so, yeah, I'd expect Outlook to be less compliant than OE. > Digging through some private mail, I see some more of the Exchange > problem, and some Outlook/OE mail that do have the In-Reply-To, but no > References. > > Secondly, I'm suspecting that O/OE is both using the same component to > create the mails: > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Depends on which part of the message is done by this component. I'd guess it's rather mime formatting only but no headers. > > MS does a lot of evil, but they are not always the ones to blame. > > No, but if the problem *is* related to the References header, then the > fact that Outlook forgets it in regular email, is an issue. Indeed. Thanks for clearing that up! robert