[#98950] Strange behaviour of Strings in Range — Michael Neumann <mneumann@...>

Hi,

24 messages 2004/05/01

[#98975] Why no Proc##[]=() ? Why no Proc##replace() ? — Jean-Hugues ROBERT <jean_hugues_robert@...>

Hi,

15 messages 2004/05/01
[#98983] Re: Why no Proc##[]=() ? Why no Proc##replace() ? — Dan Doel <djd15@...> 2004/05/01

I'm not sure what your proposal means.

[#98997] Re: Why no Proc##[]=() ? Why no Proc##replace() ? — Jean-Hugues ROBERT <jean_hugues_robert@...> 2004/05/02

About class Proc; def []=(*args); self[*args] end end and the value of

[#98980] Ruby Newbie (ooh, that rhymes!) - When do I use do/end, when {}? — glenn_m_smith@... (Glenn)

Hello all

23 messages 2004/05/01

[#99105] What do you use Ruby for? — glenn_m_smith@... (Glenn)

OK, the more I read about Ruby (currently on page 29 of the FAQ,

25 messages 2004/05/03

[#99119] YAML vs. Marshal — dejaspam@... (Bill Atkins)

Is there any reason to use Marshal instead of YAML? Is there anything

21 messages 2004/05/03
[#99121] Re: YAML vs. Marshal — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2004/05/03

Bill Atkins wrote:

[#99191] Re: YAML vs. Marshal — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...> 2004/05/04

Joel VanderWerf wrote:

[#99192] Re: YAML vs. Marshal — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2004/05/04

why the lucky stiff wrote:

[#99204] What so special about PostgreSQL and other RDBMS? — "Sarah Tanembaum" <sarah.tanembaum@...>

Beside its an opensource and supported by community, what's the fundamental

96 messages 2004/05/04

[#99270] Is Ruby Top 1 of Programming Languages that are Loved? — "Park Heesob" <phasis68@...>

Hi all,

66 messages 2004/05/05
[#99333] Re: [OT]Is Ruby Top 1 of Programming Languages that are Loved? — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson) 2004/05/06

In article <83173408.0405051506.5db85fe6@posting.google.com>,

[#99358] Re: [OT]Is Ruby Top 1 of Programming Languages that are Loved? — Dick Davies <rasputnik@...> 2004/05/06

* Phil Tomson <ptkwt@aracnet.com> [0554 02:54]:

[#99378] Re: [OT]Is Ruby Top 1 of Programming Languages that are Loved? — "Ara.T.Howard" <ahoward@...> 2004/05/06

On Thu, 6 May 2004, Dick Davies wrote:

[#99326] RAA error - can't dup NilClass — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

When I try to enter my project page

15 messages 2004/05/06
[#99327] Re: RAA error - can't dup NilClass — "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nahi@...> 2004/05/06

Hi,

[#99328] Re: RAA error - can't dup NilClass — "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nahi@...> 2004/05/06

Hi, again,

[#99332] miniruby.exe & statically linked ruby.exe (Windows) — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson)

I've been trying to build a statically linked ruby.exe on windows using

12 messages 2004/05/06

[#99399] DRb Connection Closed Error?!?!?!? — "Ken Hilton" <kenosis@...>

Greetings,

14 messages 2004/05/06

[#99438] What is Borges? — dejaspam@... (Bill Atkins)

Can someone please explain to me what Borges does? Its home page

41 messages 2004/05/07
[#99482] Re: What is Borges? — Dick Davies <rasputnik@...> 2004/05/07

* Bill Atkins <dejaspam@batkins.com> [0534 01:34]:

[#99530] Re: What is Borges? — Julian Fitzell <julian@...4.com> 2004/05/07

Dick Davies wrote:

[#99534] Re: What is Borges? — Carl Youngblood <carl@...> 2004/05/07

[#99527] Ruby Installer for Windows: use of Win32OLE bug causes crash — Jos Backus <jos@...>

This is with the latest Ruby Installer for Windows, 181-13-rc2.

11 messages 2004/05/07

[#99583] Ruby Installer for Windows 1.8.1-13 final — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...>

The Ruby Installer 1.8.1-13 (final) for Windows has been released and

62 messages 2004/05/08
[#99643] Why Ruby? -- A Resource for Promoting Ruby — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2004/05/09

I'm pleased to announce the kickoff of RubyForge project called "Why Ruby?"

[#104934] Ruby Installer for Windows 1.8.2-14 Release Candidate — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2004/06/30

I have uploaded a release candidate for Ruby Installer that was built using

[#104952] **RC2** Ruby Installer for Windows 1.8.2-14 Release Candidate — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2004/07/01

The original release candidate that I posted earlier today did not include

[#105519] Re: [ANN] **RC2** Ruby Installer for Windows 1.8.2-14 Release Candidate — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...> 2004/07/07

Hello Curt,

[#105546] Re: [ANN] **RC2** Ruby Installer for Windows 1.8.2-14 Release Candidate — Hidetoshi NAGAI <nagai@...> 2004/07/08

Hi,

[#105550] Re: [ANN] **RC2** Ruby Installer for Windows 1.8.2-14 Release Candidate — nobu.nokada@... 2004/07/08

Hi,

[#99597] How to get the last 5 elements of an array? — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>

Hi,

20 messages 2004/05/08

[#99680] rubygarden homepage hacks — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

On daily basis the homepage at rubygarden is being edited.

19 messages 2004/05/09

[#99734] in search of a compelling reason to use ruby.... — Ryan Paul <segphault@...>

i'm a python programmer, and I have recently been hearing a lot about

28 messages 2004/05/10

[#99764] safe eval? — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...>

20 messages 2004/05/10
[#99773] Re: safe eval? — Florian Gross <flgr@...> 2004/05/10

Ara.T.Howard wrote:

[#99834] Re: safe eval? — ts <decoux@...> 2004/05/11

>>>>> "F" == Florian Gross <flgr@ccan.de> writes:

[#99854] Proposal: Object#send(nil) -> self — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>

A quick one. I see some sense in Object#send accepting 'nil' as the

21 messages 2004/05/11

[#99879] Strange regexp behaviour in gsub — Kristof Bastiaensen <kristof@...>

Hi,

15 messages 2004/05/11

[#99945] Recommendations (Ruby making my head swim) — Mike Rhodes <rhodes553@...>

I recently bought "Programming Ruby" and set out to learn the language

13 messages 2004/05/12

[#99966] Major Addition Bug? — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...>

Doing this:

57 messages 2004/05/12
[#99967] Re: Major Addition Bug? — ts <decoux@...> 2004/05/12

>>>>> "S" == Sean O'Dell <sean@celsoft.com> writes:

[#99970] Re: Major Addition Bug? — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...> 2004/05/12

On Wednesday 12 May 2004 09:53, ts wrote:

[#100032] are there any ruby IDEs? — Ryan Paul <segphault@...>

I use vim most of the time, but i'm curious if there are any

35 messages 2004/05/12

[#100093] How to make combinations of an array to produce all possible expressions? — Erik Terpstra <erik@...>

I have an array 'conds', which contains some sub-expressions for an

11 messages 2004/05/13

[#100136] Ruby's Best -- Please Help — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...>

On the "Why Ruby?" project wiki (http://whyruby.rubyforge.org/), I am trying

23 messages 2004/05/13
[#100284] Please revisit Ruby's Best and vote for additions — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2004/05/14

If you were an early visitor to:

[#100137] First Presentation Posted to Why Ruby! — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...>

Assaph Mehr just posted the first presentation to Why Ruby

22 messages 2004/05/13
[#100172] Presenting a more unified front (Ruby webring?) — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson) 2004/05/13

In article <EAENKKNOJPMNCDMLDOMLKEHHEFAA.curt@hibbs.com>,

[#100182] C++ Exception compatibility idea — Asfand Yar Qazi <im_not_giving_it_here@..._hate_spam.com>

Hi,

26 messages 2004/05/13
[#100206] Rite implementation in C++? (Objective C?) — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson) 2004/05/13

In article <40A3E539.2010204@hypermetrics.com>,

[#100193] subclasses of string as hash keys — Matthias Georgi <matti_g@...>

15 messages 2004/05/13

[#100273] Regexp Error? — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...>

What's wrong here?

16 messages 2004/05/14

[#100295] Re: Regexp Error? — Michael Campbell <michael_s_campbell@...>

ts wrote:

15 messages 2004/05/14

[#100325] Re: Please revisit Ruby's Best and vote for additions — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...>

James Britt wrote:

12 messages 2004/05/14

[#100395] Need Help Selecting a GUI — dejaspam@... (Bill Atkins)

As anyone can tell by looking at the topics of my recent posts, I'm

18 messages 2004/05/15

[#100461] Ruby on Rails — Matt Lawrence <matt@...>

Very neat presentation, it kept me up way too late last night watching it.

24 messages 2004/05/16

[#100511] How to duck type? - the psychology of static typing in Ruby — Tim Bates <tim@...>

Hi all,

83 messages 2004/05/17
[#100525] Re: How to duck type? - the psychology of static typing in Ruby — "SER" <ser@...> 2004/05/17

Broken record time:

[#100791] Re: How to duck type? - the psychology of static typing in Ruby — Marek Janukowicz <childNOSPAM@...17.ds.pwr.wroc.pl> 2004/05/19

On Thu, 20 May 2004 03:43:22 +0900, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#100613] FoX: removing widgets — Yuri Leikind <y.leikind@...>

Hello all,

16 messages 2004/05/18
[#100670] Re: FoX: removing widgets — Lyle Johnson <lyle@...> 2004/05/18

Yuri Leikind wrote:

[#100629] Newbie installation problem: libraries? — Paul Emmons <pemmons@...>

I have recently installed ruby-1.8.1 on my Mandrake Linux system.

11 messages 2004/05/18

[#100649] Windows desktop app w/ simple db; how? — "Kirk Haines" <khaines@...>

Imagine that you had a very simple web based application. It queries some

12 messages 2004/05/18

[#100653] Zero is true ... whoda thunk? — "Richard Lionheart" <NoOne@...>

Hi,

29 messages 2004/05/18
[#100655] Re: Zero is true ... whoda thunk? — Mark Sparshatt <msparshatt@...> 2004/05/18

Richard Lionheart wrote:

[#100682] Re: Zero is true ... whoda thunk? — Chris Pine <cpine@...> 2004/05/19

On Wed, 19 May 2004 06:34:54 +0900, Mark Sparshatt wrote:

[#100691] Re: Zero is true ... whoda thunk? — David Naseby <david.naseby@...>

>-----Original Message-----

14 messages 2004/05/19

[#100721] irb or xterm crash with UTF-8 — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

server> irb

15 messages 2004/05/19

[#100839] Where to download FXRuby library; where to put it; RUBYLIB, RUBYPATH env. vars — "Richard Lionheart" <NoOne@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2004/05/20

[#100862] Ruby's builtin Datastructures — Brian Schroeder <spam0504@...>

Hello all,

13 messages 2004/05/20

[#101071] Concerning version numbers... — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

A few people in recent weeks have been bemoaning the fact that software

15 messages 2004/05/22

[#101110] Ruby for educational purposes and localization — Laurent Julliard <laurent__no__@__spam__moldus.org>

All,

10 messages 2004/05/23

[#101165] make faster Richards benchmark — dlissett0@... (Duncan Lissett)

I'd appreciate any suggestions on how to make a faster Ruby

15 messages 2004/05/24

[#101226] Concerning package names — djberg96@... (Daniel Berger)

All,

13 messages 2004/05/24

[#101292] Numeric#of — "Ara.T.Howard" <ahoward@...>

53 messages 2004/05/25

[#101329] separating ruby-talk from comp.lang.ruby? — David Alan Black <dblack@...>

Hi --

65 messages 2004/05/25
[#101388] Re: separating ruby-talk from comp.lang.ruby? — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson) 2004/05/25

In article <m3brkcda7g.fsf@wobblini.net>,

[#101391] Re: separating ruby-talk from comp.lang.ruby? — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/05/25

Hi --

[#101360] ruby-dev summary 23459-23562 — Minero Aoki <aamine@...>

Hi all,

30 messages 2004/05/25
[#101395] Re: ruby-dev summary 23459-23562 — Florian Gross <flgr@...> 2004/05/25

Minero Aoki wrote:

[#101369] defining condititions — Florian Weber <csshsh@...>

hi!

18 messages 2004/05/25

[#101522] WEBrick and FastCGI response — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

Reply-To:

15 messages 2004/05/27

[#101560] Re: separating ruby-talk from comp.lang.ruby? — "Mills Thomas (app1tam)" <app1tam@...>

Here, here, hear, hear. No NNTP here.

41 messages 2004/05/27
[#101565] Re: separating ruby-talk from comp.lang.ruby? — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/05/27

Hi --

[#101569] Re: separating ruby-talk from comp.lang.ruby? — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2004/05/27

[#101571] Re: separating ruby-talk from comp.lang.ruby? — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/05/27

Hi --

[#101616] Re: separating ruby-talk from comp.lang.ruby? — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/05/28

Hi --

[#101686] Re: separating ruby-talk from comp.lang.ruby? — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2004/05/28

[#101890] Re: separating ruby-talk from comp.lang.ruby? — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/05/31

Sorry everyone, testing again.... small meaningless tweak to

[#101674] Andreas' practical language comparison — "Georgy" <no.mail@...>

Hi all!

13 messages 2004/05/28

[#101745] Test::Unit: assert_follows_spec() (or something like that) — David Garamond <lists@...6.isreserved.com>

For deterministic functions/methods, the same set of inputs should

20 messages 2004/05/29

[#101823] gsub!, replace with \' — Patrick Gundlach <clr1.10.randomuser@...>

Dear Ruby-hackers,

14 messages 2004/05/30

[#101830] Behavior of application changes when adding non-relevant puts — felix.nawothnig@... (Felix Nawothnig)

Hi.

12 messages 2004/05/30

[#101853] mysql-ruby — Paul Vudmaska <paul@...>

%$@#%$ i know i've abused this list with more questions than answers but

14 messages 2004/05/31

[#101855] elegant way to say "try this thing, one at a time, until condition is met" — David Garamond <lists@...6.isreserved.com>

Example: I need to unmount /usr and /usr2, but currently I can't because

23 messages 2004/05/31

[#101899] RMagick available on Windows — Tim Hunter <cyclists@...>

Thanks to Kaspar Schiess, RMagick for Windows is now available at

13 messages 2004/05/31

Re: How to duck type? - the psychology of static typing in Ruby

From: "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...>
Date: 2004-05-18 02:04:35 UTC
List: ruby-talk #100572
John Carter wrote:
> Duck typing is an even freer form of polymorphism and in the case of the
> example I mentioned, with Duck Typing, the geometry library would work
> on anything that responded to +,-,*,/,==,<, including Vectors and
> Matrices!
>
> I'm hinting at a prime rule of polymorphic / duck typed design. Don't
> gratuitously constrain the interface. Reusable means you don't know what
> other types may be fed to you in future, and to be reusable you must
> allow it.

This is a good guideline for basic types like numbers, strings, arrays,
etc., because people do tend to create or reuse "similar types" (e.g.
DBI::Row or whatever it is, instead of Hash) which should "just work" with
your library.

But as you move away from basic types, through to middle-ground types,
like an XML document representation, to domain types, like a customer, the
balance changes.  The prime rule you mention above becomes less and less
important.

If I'm writing some sort of CRM library that I want to share with the
world and have reused, then I should obviously document my interface well,
and not be overly strict about what I accept.  Even so, it's very unlikely
that someone else is going to have a class they're using that's
similar-to-but-not-quite my OpenCRM::Customer class.  The benefits of a
duck typing attitude are not likely to take root in this system.  But I'm
creating a library that is aimed at reuse, so I should allow for reuse.

Now, one step further: an internal application that is never going to
leave company walls.  A system (involving customers, invoices, and
payments, say) that is entirely self-contained, and not aimed at reuse at
all.  In this case, my system is designed to work with XYZ::Customer
objects, XYZ::Invoice objects, and XYZ::Payment objects.  Furthermore, I
may reasonably use some class-checking code at strategic points.  This is
not because I feel unsafe without it; it's to encode the practical
limitations of the software.  A line like

   expect(customer, XYZ::Customer, payment, XYZ::Payment)

is executable documentation.  It reminds you at a glance what you're
dealing with.  It gives you some context, some knowledge to build on when
you're editing that method after a few months away from it.  And it's
documentation that doesn't go out of date.  The fact is, I'm not
needlessly restricting the interface (in any practical sense) by including
the above line.  The interface was already restricted because of the
special-purpose nature of the system.  (That line is using the
'strongtyping' library, BTW.)

The reason I canvas these examples is to emphasise that isolation (i.e.
not planning for reusability) is not necessarily a software sin.  I agree
with the spirit(s) of the duck-typing discussions, but don't want some
impressionable lurker thinking "Hey, I'm not considering reuse; am I
overly restricting the interface?; am I using Ruby correctly?" etc. 
There's a spectrum of reusability, and the onus is on the programmer to
work out where they are aiming and to use the appropriate techniques. 
That's a blessing and a curse.  In other languages, you're forced to
handle all typing issues in a certain way, which is restrictive, but at
least you don't have to think.  Personally, I'd rather think.

There's a time and place for everything in Ruby :)

Cheers,
Gavin




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