From: Paul Vudmaska <paul@...>
Date: 2004-05-08T00:08:04+09:00
Subject: Re: [OT]Is Ruby Top 1 of Programming Languages that are Loved?

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Sean Russell wrote:

>Paul Vudmaska <paul@vudmaska.com> wrote in message news:<409A7AC8.2040403@vudmaska.com>...
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>>Luckily, my clients could give a darn what I use. They do see 
>>productivity. They like that.
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Yep, when i talk about code to my current customer his
eyes glaze over and i have to mention better/quicker
to keep him from dozing off.

>That's always nice, when you encounter people like that.  I've been
>stuck as a contractor for the past 8 years, and people who hire
>contractors tend to be more touchy about what the project is written
>in -- they want to be able to maintain it after you're gone.
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Fortunately, I'm a gifted code poet so the lucky one
that is fortunate enough to inherit my elegant progeny
will benefit from it's fluidity and self evident
nature - documentation just sullies it's beauty. You dont see picasso 
documenting
his paintings?

>I had one client, once, who didn't really care.  He had an app that
>was 10 years old that he was still maintaining and growing. 
>Unfortunately, he *really* didn't care what it was written in, and by
>the time I got to it, it was a total hodgepodge of C, Bash, Perl, TCL
>-- even Pascal.   Believe me, it is times like that when I totally
>approve of language fascists.  Nonetheless, I  couldn't resist
>throwing Ruby into the mix, and I got rid of a small chunk of Bash
>script while I was at it.
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>>Ouch. I did a lot of server side stuff w/javscript. We had about 10 
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> It certainly is ubiquitous; I've had to do a fair
>amount of it myself.
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Immensely ubiquitous but my not finding a (active)
server side version does not speak well for it so
probably others, smarter than me, feel the same as
you.

http://xml.apache.org/#xang

You'r probably right. As the developer of rexml, one of
the coolest things i've used since switching from M$,
you obviously know more than me. Javascript and Ruby
share one thing that I am very fond of (and rely on /
need - since i was kidding about the above) - simplicity. Javascript's 
(originally designed
by one guy at Netscape
http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/bl_javascript.htm
) domain was simple clientside dom interaction. OO was
not it's main goal. I get the most bang from encapsulation and 
simplicity not polymorph or inheritance.
How many clientside web projects have you seen where you needed
full blown class oriented behaviour? I've not seen ...many. You can 
provide quite a bit of clientside funcionality without it.

http://foursixes.com/?cc=booking

I still like the fact that you can
extend base classes with prototypes and a few other
things - I'm just saying it was a big boon for us - relative to 
vb,components,websphere. But i'm just beginning to see why i
like/should like ruby better and do value your
insight.

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>>Plenty of folks out there mandate a browser - usually IE. For solutions 
>>that i could ensure the browser to by moz, using a ruby interp would be
>>grrreat!
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>As anybody who reads this group knows, I have an ulterior motive for
>wanting Ruby in Mozilla... because Ruby would then suddenly have
>access to both a really nice, fairly ubiquitous GUI toolkit, and a
>peerless application distribution mechanism.
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Hooyeah -an unquestionably admirable undertaking.

I think a good project(to use the above) would be a db agnostic (at 
least those supported by dbi) front end to databases would be tre` cool 
and useful to many. Dont get me wrong i like phpmyadmin but the response 
time (and taxing of the server) is unfortunate. Kind of like this.
http://mysqlxpcom.mozdev.org/

I've done a similar thing w/ie/xml/xmlhttp - and it makes for a much 
better user experience and does not beat up the server.

Oh and i was just kidding about the code poet part, so dont fret or 
flame me.
Have you ever looked back at your own code and said...what the ? was i 
smokin that day? Not me, Hal, if you are still looking for coders. ;0)





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