From: "David A. Black" <dblack@...>
Date: 2004-05-28T05:57:20+09:00
Subject: Re: separating ruby-talk from comp.lang.ruby?

Hi --

On Fri, 28 May 2004, Dave Thomas wrote:

> It seems to me that we're in a fairly string position here. My 
> understanding is that some of the problems are actually repeatable. In 
> particular DAB-initiated threads (I believe) are often not mirrored.

It's kind of the other way around: if I send a message that initiates
a thread, that one gets through (from mail to news).  But if I reply
to anything on the mailing list, it doesn't show up on news.

> This situation seems amenable to experiment and debugging. David posts 
> a message, and a day later a Ruby script goes out to a list of news 
> servers and sees if it has arrived. If it arrives at all of them 
> (including the server used by the gateway) then the problem lies in the 
> gateway software or the mailing list. If it doesn't, then the problem 
> might lie in David's news host.
> 
> Similarly, if there are repeatable drops from the mail->news side, we 
> can test these too.

The bulk of the problem seems to be in this direction, judging by
comparing the list with what makes it to my news server and Google.

> This is is bug, not a catastrophe. Let's track it down rationally and 
> squash it.

I agree entirely, in principle -- as I've said, my first choice is
definitely for there to be a working gateway, and my suggestion to
turn it off stems only from feeling utterly stymied after months of
discussions about its not working and no clues as to why.

If it's helpful, I can certainly make available the full headers of (a
large number of :-) messages that were sent to the list but didn't
make it to Usenet.  I've sent some of these to Dennis, but my
understanding is there's nothing he or his NNTP admins can spot.

(Paging Dennis...)


David

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David A. Black
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