From: Kristof Bastiaensen <kristof@...>
Date: 2004-05-14T21:54:04+09:00
Subject: Re: are there any ruby IDEs?

On Fri, 14 May 2004 21:11:40 +0900, Ruben wrote:

> 
> At Fri, 14 May 2004 06:34:04 +0900,
> Kristof Bastiaensen wrote:
>> 
> Do you know http://www.emacswiki.org ?  You can find a lot of
> information and pointers to emacs-lisp code there. Some packages that
> i've looked at and seem interesting (allthough not directly related to
> ruby), are JDEE (Java Development Environment for Emacs), ECB (Emacs
> Code Browser), Flymake, color-theme.
> 

Thanks, I will take a look at it.  The problem is that there
is so much elisp code out there, that is sometimes unpractical 
to find something really useful (i.e. for Ruby).  I have tried
ECB, but I couldn't get it to work.  There were just
so many dependencies, and anyway they don't work with Ruby.

> want to make changes. (you can do something similar with 'M-x rubydb',
> but i've never really used that yet, only tested)

Interesting, I will give it a try.

> There are functions defined so that you can mark
> something in your source-file and 'send' that code to the running
> irb-process (ruby-send-region/ruby-send-region-and-go). You might take
> a look at 'inf-ruby.el'. To be honest i haven't used this a lot, but
> most of my programming work is in C.  You might also look into
> 'rubydb3x.el'.

That is kind of what I was looking for.  I find it only a bit
annoying that you can eat the prompt. I would prefer no prompt
at all (maybe there is a way around).

> 
>> Another nice thing would be a class browser, where you could browse by
>> method and class, in stead of by file (a la smalltalk).
> 
> Maybe you should take a look at ECB (Emacs Code Browser,
> http://ecb.sourceforge.net), this probably does what you want. It
> doesn't support Ruby though, AFAIK :(. 

Eh, not really, I'd like something specific for Ruby.

>> If you are interested, I find the following replacements
>> very useful.  
>> 
>> Replacement for kill-line,
>> basicly it either preserves indentation, or removes all
>> whitespace, not just mess it up.
>> 
>> (defun my-kill-line (&optional arg)
>>   ...)
> 
> hmm.. maybe i'm doing something wrong, but this seems to act the same
> as normal kill-line ?  are you using Xemacs, or Emacs ?
> 

Xemacs.  If it doesn't work on Emacs, shouldn't it give an error?
Try to use it at the end of a line, and see the difference.  
Try also on an empty line, type many spaces, and press my-kill-line.
I find myself never having to type many times del or tab to fixup
whitespace anymore.  I am interested what you think about it (I think 
it is a great improvement).

>> replacement for beginning-of-line,
>> (this seems to be standard in most editors):
> 
> i'm afraid i'm the kind who doesn't like this behaviour, but thanks
> anyway :)

Well I did, but I was used to do it from MSVC. :)

> 
> Ruben

Thanks for the info,

Kristof