From: Robert Klemme Date: 2004-06-01T19:53:39+09:00 Subject: Re: separating ruby-talk from comp.lang.ruby? "David Alan Black" schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:m3hdtw4v5p.fsf@wobblini.net... > Hi -- > > "Robert Klemme" writes: > > > "David A. Black" schrieb im Newsbeitrag > > news:Pine.LNX.4.44.0405292033340.20531-100000@wobblini... > > > Hi -- > > > > > > On Sun, 30 May 2004, Martin Pirker wrote: > > > > > > > Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote: > > > > > You can get them from . > > > > > > > > got a full copy > > > > a quick diff by counting message ids: > > > > > > > > 40419 in ml archive 60000-101400 > > > > 39565 in my news archive since 20030101 > > > > > > > > adding both + sort + uniq gives 41533 unique ids > > > > > > > > so the gateway isn't that bad, but there is only a 95% exchange > > > > > > Over time, yes, but the recent problems are a lot more acute :-) The > > > current situation seems to have started quite suddenly in late January > > > of this year. The last message of mine that made it from ruby-talk to > > > comp.lang.ruby was on January 24 (except for those where I initiate > > > threads, which do make it through). > > > > Hm, this sounds like the problem could be header related. I guess, a > > posting that starts a new thread has slightly different headers (namely > > missing "references" and the like). Just a small difference but this could > > be a hint... > > I sent Dennis comparative sets of headers a few months ago, when all > this started -- we weren't able to find anything, but please feel free > to have a look and see if you spot anything. I've just sent a new > dummy message to ruby-talk, which indeed got propagated to clr. For > recent examples of ones that didn't, see Joao's posts and my responses > to him, such as ruby-talk 101837. Too many hops maybe? There are a lot "Received" lines: Received: from kankan.nagaokaut.ac.jp (kankan.nagaokaut.ac.jp [133.44.2.24]) by blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i4UNIOZu028628; Mon, 31 May 2004 08:18:24 +0900 Received: from funfun.nagaokaut.ac.jp (funfun.nagaokaut.ac.jp [133.44.2.201]) by kankan.nagaokaut.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 345CE58BC; Mon, 31 May 2004 08:18:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (localhost.nagaokaut.ac.jp [127.0.0.1]) by funfun.nagaokaut.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 065A7F04846; Mon, 31 May 2004 08:18:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from voscc.nagaokaut.ac.jp (voscc.nagaokaut.ac.jp [133.44.1.100]) by funfun.nagaokaut.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24E8BF04898; Mon, 31 May 2004 08:18:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from helium.ruby-lang.org (helium.ruby-lang.org [210.251.121.214]) by voscc.nagaokaut.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7364763003F; Mon, 31 May 2004 08:18:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from helium.ruby-lang.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by helium.ruby-lang.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C48E427004; Mon, 31 May 2004 08:18:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from wobblini.net (wobblini.net [65.200.24.105]) by helium.ruby-lang.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CAF15426FFB for ; Mon, 31 May 2004 08:18:15 +0900 (JST) Received: (qmail 9922 invoked by uid 500); 30 May 2004 23:18:13 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 30 May 2004 23:18:13 -0000 (Note: I substituted tabs by spaces for reader independend formatting) see http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/ruby/ruby-talk/101837 Regards robert