[#335632] SOAP - issue with openssl verification failure — Venkat Alla <spinhoo2000@...>

I have the following code in a script that I am trying to use at work -

10 messages 2009/05/01

[#335755] Should I upgrade Ruby from 1.8.5 to 1.8.7? — Cali Wildman <caliwildman2004-info@...>

I just upgraded to Rails 2.3.2 but my Ruby is still 1.8.5. Rails 2.3.2

23 messages 2009/05/04

[#335777] my logroll code, please critique — Derek Smith <derekbellnersmith@...>

My goal is to keep 10 files each at 100Mb. Please critique and suggest

12 messages 2009/05/05

[#335842] '=||' — James Byrne <byrnejb@...>

Can someone point out to me where exactly in the API I find a discussion

18 messages 2009/05/05
[#335843] Re: '=||' — Eleanor McHugh <eleanor@...> 2009/05/05

On 5 May 2009, at 20:51, James Byrne wrote:

[#336031] Superclass of eigenclass — Danny O cuiv <danny.ocuiv@...>

On page 261 of The Ruby Programming Language, they state:

30 messages 2009/05/07
[#336052] Re: Superclass of eigenclass — Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale@...> 2009/05/07

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Danny O cuiv <danny.ocuiv@gmail.com> wrote:

[#336056] Re: Superclass of eigenclass — Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale@...> 2009/05/07

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale@gmail.com> wrote:

[#336061] Ruby memory usage — Pete Hodgson <ruby-forum@...>

Hi Folks,

23 messages 2009/05/07

[#336087] File over tcp? with out using net/ftp — Bigmac Turdsplash <i8igmac@...>

Im trying to send a file back and forth between a client.rb and

12 messages 2009/05/07

[#336160] CGI help — Jeff Leggett <hikerguy@...>

So, I am trying ot read the contents of a file and format the contents

19 messages 2009/05/08

[#336168] ruby string slice/[] w/ range, weird end behavior — Gary Yngve <gary.yngve@...>

First the docs:

17 messages 2009/05/08
[#336169] Re: ruby string slice/[] w/ range, weird end behavior — Eleanor McHugh <eleanor@...> 2009/05/08

On 9 May 2009, at 00:26, Gary Yngve wrote:

[#336205] converting UTF-8 to entities like &#x525B; — Jian Lin <winterheat@...>

15 messages 2009/05/09

[#336385] Any current preprocessor/Ruby language add-ons? — "C. Dagnon" <c-soc-rubyforum@...>

This is kind of a wide-ranging question but for some fairly specific

16 messages 2009/05/12

[#336411] Whaaaaat? — Tom Cloyd <tomcloyd@...>

p [0..5].include? 0

26 messages 2009/05/12

[#336458] what could be improved in Ruby for Science? — Diego Virasoro <Diego.Virasoro@...>

Hello,

20 messages 2009/05/13

[#336505] Syntactic sugar idea — Daniel DeLorme <dan-ml@...42.com>

It seems that often an object will be passed into a block only to invoke

26 messages 2009/05/14
[#336508] Re: [bikeshed] Syntactic sugar idea — Jan <jan.h.xie@...> 2009/05/14

* Daniel DeLorme <dan-ml@dan42.com> [2009-05-14 11:42:31 +0900]:

[#336766] Berkeley DB or Store equivalent? — Mk 27 <halfcountplus@...>

I have never used mySQL because perl's Storable or BerkeleyDB modules

16 messages 2009/05/17

[#336783] permute each element of a ragged array? — Phlip <phlip2005@...>

Rubies:

19 messages 2009/05/17

[#336821] Sorting numbers as strings — Jack Bauer <realmadrid2727@...>

I'm trying to sort some strings containing numbers. The strings

14 messages 2009/05/18

[#336850] Introducing RubyScience on GitHub! — Joshua Ballanco <jballanc@...>

In the tradition of actions vs. words, I present to you:

14 messages 2009/05/18

[#336930] Create an exe with Ruby 1.9.1 — Marc-antoine Kruzik <kadelfek@...>

Hello !

23 messages 2009/05/19

[#336939] Pythonic indentation (or: beating a dead horse) — J Haas <Myrdred@...>

Greetings, folks. First time poster, so if I breach

235 messages 2009/05/19
[#337016] Re: Pythonic indentation (or: beating a dead horse) — Roger Pack <rogerpack2005@...> 2009/05/20

> ...maybe something like this:

[#337699] Re: Pythonic indentation (or: beating a dead horse) — J Haas <Myrdred@...> 2009/05/28

On May 27, 10:21=A0pm, James Britt <james.br...@gmail.com> wrote:

[#337734] Re: Pythonic indentation (or: beating a dead horse) — James Britt <james.britt@...> 2009/05/28

J Haas wrote:

[#337740] Re: Pythonic indentation (or: beating a dead horse) — Juan Zanos <juan_zanos@...> 2009/05/28

On May 28, 2009, at 2:33 PM, James Britt wrote:

[#337745] Re: Pythonic indentation (or: beating a dead horse) — J Haas <Myrdred@...> 2009/05/28

On May 28, 11:15=A0am, Eleanor McHugh <elea...@games-with-brains.com>

[#337954] Re: Pythonic indentation (or: beating a dead horse) — Steven Arnold <stevena@...> 2009/05/30

After listening to this debate for some time, the position of allowing

[#338133] Re: Pythonic indentation (or: beating a dead horse) — Andy F <andchafow-ruby@...> 2009/06/02

[#338172] Re: Pythonic indentation (or: beating a dead horse) — Eleanor McHugh <eleanor@...> 2009/06/02

On 2 Jun 2009, at 06:20, Andy F wrote:

[#337023] Re: Pythonic indentation (or: beating a dead horse) — J Haas <Myrdred@...> 2009/05/20

On May 20, 8:51=A0am, Rick DeNatale <rick.denat...@gmail.com> wrote:

[#337025] Re: Pythonic indentation (or: beating a dead horse) — Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale@...> 2009/05/20

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:35 PM, J Haas <Myrdred@gmail.com> wrote:

[#337045] Re: Pythonic indentation (or: beating a dead horse) — J Haas <Myrdred@...> 2009/05/20

On May 20, 12:25=A0pm, Tony Arcieri <t...@medioh.com> wrote:

[#337581] Re: Pythonic indentation (or: beating a dead horse) — J Haas <Myrdred@...> 2009/05/27

On May 22, 9:01=A0am, Roger Pack <rogerpack2...@gmail.com> wrote:

[#337673] Re: Pythonic indentation (or: beating a dead horse) — Juan Zanos <juan_zanos@...> 2009/05/28

[#337686] Re: Pythonic indentation (or: beating a dead horse) — Eleanor McHugh <eleanor@...> 2009/05/28

On 28 May 2009, at 15:06, Juan Zanos wrote:

[#337002] Ruby 1.8 vs. Ruby 1.9 — Calvin <cstephens4@...>

Hi,

17 messages 2009/05/20

[#337094] snailgun-1.0.2 — Brian Candler <b.candler@...>

New experimental project:

18 messages 2009/05/21

[#337115] w00t! Party for Gregory! — pat eyler <pat.eyler@...>

> On May 20, 2009, Gregory Brown wrote:

12 messages 2009/05/21

[#337221] Cryptogram II (#206) — Daniel Moore <yahivin@...>

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17 messages 2009/05/22

[#337323] String concatenation in Ruby — Jagadeesh <mnjagadeesh@...>

Hi,

18 messages 2009/05/25

[#337340] Do you nest classes inside classes? — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...>

Object Orientation is conceptually about a sea of objects interacting

11 messages 2009/05/25

[#337366] Runnin code at a certain time? — Tom Ricks <carrottop123@...>

Hello all,

20 messages 2009/05/25
[#337392] Re: Runnin code at a certain time? — Caleb Clausen <vikkous@...> 2009/05/25

On 5/25/09, Tom Ricks <carrottop123@gmail.com> wrote:

[#337413] Other languages to try? — Adam Gardner <adam.oddfellow@...>

So, I've been programming in Ruby for a good while now. Not an expert,

20 messages 2009/05/26

[#337421] Newbie on Threads — Nabs Kahn <nabusman@...>

I'm creating a screen scraping software and I want to have X (let's say

13 messages 2009/05/26
[#337424] Re: Newbie on Threads — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2009/05/26

2009/5/26 Nabs Kahn <nabusman@gmail.com>:

[#337507] Something Not going with my LDAP using SSL — Xeno Campanoli <xeno.campanoli@...>

I have the following working with cleartext LDAP:

20 messages 2009/05/26
[#337539] Re: Something Not going with my LDAP using SSL — Brian Candler <b.candler@...> 2009/05/27

Xeno Campanoli wrote:

[#338073] Re: Something Not going with my LDAP using SSL — Xeno Campanoli <xeno.campanoli@...> 2009/06/01

Brian Candler wrote:

[#338082] Re: Something Not going with my LDAP using SSL — Brian Candler <b.candler@...> 2009/06/01

Xeno Campanoli wrote:

[#338084] Re: Something Not going with my LDAP using SSL — Xeno Campanoli <xeno.campanoli@...> 2009/06/01

Brian Candler wrote:

[#338094] Re: Something Not going with my LDAP using SSL — Brian Candler <b.candler@...> 2009/06/01

Xeno Campanoli wrote:

[#338095] Re: Something Not going with my LDAP using SSL — Xeno Campanoli <xeno.campanoli@...> 2009/06/01

Brian Candler wrote:

[#338096] Re: Something Not going with my LDAP using SSL — Xeno Campanoli <xeno.campanoli@...> 2009/06/01

Xeno Campanoli wrote:

[#337574] Installing Ruby 1.9.1 Binary on Windows Vista — Joel Dezenzio <jdezenzio@...>

I've searched and only found one topic which did not have an answer or

27 messages 2009/05/27

[#337671] death toll — deka <rocha.deka@...>

Hi, I am a Brazilian girl and I have a doubt abour numbers in English.

13 messages 2009/05/28

[#337823] Endless Ruby 0.0.2 — Caleb Clausen <vikkous@...>

endless.rb is a pre-processor for ruby which allows you to use python-ish

22 messages 2009/05/29

[#337841] Regular expression — Harry Kakueki <list.push@...>

I want to write a regular expression to do the following.

13 messages 2009/05/29

[#337869] Quine (#207) — Daniel Moore <yahivin@...>

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46 messages 2009/05/29
[#338000] Re: [QUIZ] Quine (#207) — pjb@... (Pascal J. Bourguignon) 2009/05/31

Robert Dober <robert.dober@gmail.com> writes:

[#338018] Re: [QUIZ] Quine (#207) — Aureliano Calvo <aurelianocalvo@...> 2009/06/01

I did something like that, but with parenthesis.

[#337899] Requesting Japanese Translation — James Gray <james@...>

I'm adding a little Japanese to a Ruby presentation I am giving. I

13 messages 2009/05/30

[#337961] nokogiri 1.3.0 Released — Aaron Patterson <aaron@...>

nokogiri version 1.3.0 has been released!

32 messages 2009/05/30
[#337962] Re: nokogiri 1.3.0 Released — Roger Pack <rogerpack2005@...> 2009/05/30

Aaron Patterson wrote:

[#337966] Re: nokogiri 1.3.0 Released — Aaron Patterson <aaron@...> 2009/05/30

On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 06:43:05AM +0900, Roger Pack wrote:

[#337968] Re: nokogiri 1.3.0 Released — Iii Iii <bqotatjyujepur@...> 2009/05/30

> gem install nokogiri

[#337985] Re: nokogiri 1.3.0 Released — Aaron Patterson <aaron@...> 2009/05/31

On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 08:37:54AM +0900, Iii Iii wrote:

[#338049] Re: nokogiri 1.3.0 Released — Roger Pack <rogerpack2005@...> 2009/06/01

Re: Superclass of eigenclass

From: Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale@...>
Date: 2009-05-16 20:35:32 UTC
List: ruby-talk #336728
On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 1:24 AM, Gary Wright <gwtmp01@mac.com> wrote:
>
> On May 15, 2009, at 7:46 AM, Joshua Ballanco wrote:
>>>
>>> Right. So then the question: is there a compelling reason that they
>>> should be allowed to be subclassed? (I mean, other than the obvious:
>>> "Because that's not the way Ruby was designed" answer.) I cannot come u=
p
>>> with any compelling technical reason why the artificial limitation of b=
eing
>>> unable to subclass "virtual classes"[1] should exist.
>
> The purpose of an eigenclass is to hold per object methods. =A0As such, t=
here
> is always always a one-to-one relationship between an eigenclass and its
> "eigeninstance" (sorry, but I can't think of a clearer term at the moment=
).
>
> The idea of subclassing an eigenclass contradicts that one-to-one
> relationship. =A0If you could subclass an eigenclass, there would be no w=
ay to
> cause ruby to search the new subclass for instance methods since it would=
n't
> have a matching eigeninstance (sorry, again). =A0It would not be in the m=
ethod
> lookup chain of any object.
>
> Just to be complete, I'll point out that there is a way for eigenclasses =
to
> have a subclass and that is when the eigeninstances are themselves classe=
s.
> =A0This is most clear in 1.9. =A0If B is a subclass of A, then B.eigencla=
ss will
> be a subclass of A.eigenclass. =A0Even in this case A and B have to exist
> before their eigenclasses can be accessed and not the other way around.

And there, IMHO, is where things break down.  If the definition of an
eigenclass is a 'class' which holds per object methods, then the class
of a class which has subclasses is not an eigenclass since it provides
methods not only to it's sole instance but also to it's instance's
subclass(es).

That's why I prefer to think of the objects which serve as the class
of a class as metaclasses, which is in line with the terminology used
in several other languages.

This whole area of Ruby reminds me a bit of Plato's cave, we see
images on the wall cast by "smoke" and "mirrors" in the
implementation, and try to name them. And the smoke has been shifting
a bit and the mirrors have been moving slightly. When you step outside
of the cave and look at the implementation you find:

There's a flag called FL_SINGLETON which when set in the header of a
class object means:


   * It will get cloned if you clone its instance
   * You can't copy it.
    * You can't make a subclass of it, unless you are ruby itself
creating a subclass in which case
     subclasses of the "singleton" metaclass are created under the covers.
   * It will be bypassed by the Object#class method
   * It will be filtered out of the results Module#ancestors method
   * It will be skipped in the search for methods by
Module#instance_methods and it's related methods
  * Its methods are considered singleton methods
  * It has a hidden 'class' instance variable __attached__ which
points to it's sole instance
  * Its skipped over by ObjectSpace.each_object, so
ObjectSpace.each_object(Class) won't yield it.
  * It will prevent dumping by Marshall.dump

So what exactly does the singleton in FL_SINGLETON mean.  Well, it
does mean that a class marked with FL_SINGLETON has only one direct
instance. It doesn't mean in the case of a singleton class which
happens to be a metaclass that it doesn't have subclasses, just that
you as a Ruby programmer can only create or add to its subclasses by
subclassing its attached class.

And while you might think that singleton method was a synonym for
instance specific method, once again this is only true when it's a
singleton method within an instance-specific singleton class.

class Foo
    def self.blat
        :blat
    end
end

class Bar < Foo
end

Foo.singleton_methods =3D> [:blat]
Bar.singleton_methods =3D> [:blat]

The 2nd ed of the Pickaxe used the term "virtual class" and seems to
call the FL_SINGLETON bit the 'V' bit.  Looking at Ruby 1.8.6, the
term virtual class only appears in errors raised when you try to
   1. Try to make a subclass of a class marked with FL_SINGLETON and
you'll get the error
"can't make subclass of virtual class"
   2. Try to add a singleton method to an instance of an immediate
class (e.g. a Fixnum), since there's no klass ptr so nowhere to insert
the needed instance specific class in the lookup chain, and you'll get
the error "no virtual class for %s"
   3. Try to instantiate an instance of a class marked with
FL_SINGLETON and you'll get the error can't create instance of virtual
class"

And in Ruby 1.9, these error descriptions have all be changed to
remove the usage of "virtual class" and replace it with "singleton
class".

I kind of wish that FL_SINGLETON had actually been named FL_VIRTUAL,
or FL_HIDDEN, since what the flag does mostly is to hide such classes
in the standard library provided API. (ignoring the leak from class <
a;self;end

Back in the mists of Ruby history, it became popular to call any class
marked with FL_SINGLETON as a metaclass, probably because that's what
_why named the leak method in the Poignant Guide.

That added another layer of confusion, because to many of us metaclass
means the class of a class, and an instance-specific class ain't a
metaclass, it's a class whether it's hidden or not.

And I think that that's where the name eigenclass got coined, as an
alternative to singleton class, for better or worse.  And with the
publication of "The Ruby Programming Language" it's gotten a bit of a
blessing from Matz, although the Ruby 1.9 implementation uses
singleton class in those errors where virtual class was used before.

I personally think that the distinction between metaclasses (in the
generally accepted sense of the class of a class) and
instance-specific classes is more important than the accidental
similarities between singleton classes used as instance-specific
classes and singleton-classes used as metaclasses.

And I guess eigenclass is not a bad term to use for a class which
provides behavior to a single instance, i.e. an instance-specific
class, but I don't like it as a term for a metaclass.

But that's just me, after all it's all just images caused by smoke and
mirrors <G>

--=20
Rick DeNatale

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