[#13842] Better introspection for Frames, Thread, and enhancing binding. — "Rocky Bernstein" <rocky.bernstein@...>

The below is a little long. So here's a summary.

11 messages 2007/12/01

[#13851] Array#flatten works quadratic time on length of resulting array. It could be linear — "Voroztsov Artem" <artem.voroztsov@...>

I encountered problem with Array#flatten slowness (it can be much

19 messages 2007/12/03
[#13863] Re: Array#flatten works quadratic time on length of resulting array. It could be linear — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...> 2007/12/03

Voroztsov Artem wrote:

[#13867] Re: Array#flatten works quadratic time on length of resulting array. It could be linear — "Voroztsov Artem" <artem.voroztsov@...> 2007/12/03

2007/12/3, Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@sun.com>:

[#13868] Re: Array#flatten works quadratic time on length of resulting array. It could be linear — "Voroztsov Artem" <artem.voroztsov@...> 2007/12/03

2007/12/3, Voroztsov Artem <artem.voroztsov@gmail.com>:

[#13870] Re: Array#flatten works quadratic time on length of resulting array. It could be linear — "Yusuke ENDOH" <mame@...> 2007/12/03

Hi,

[#13903] Clarification of retry change — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...>

Matz confirmed that retry-outside-rescue will no longer work, but I

14 messages 2007/12/07
[#13905] Re: Clarification of retry change — SASADA Koichi <ko1@...> 2007/12/07

Hi,

[#13908] What's the status of compiler/compiling on windows? — Gonzalo Garramu <ggarra@...>

20 messages 2007/12/07
[#13913] Re: What's the status of compiler/compiling on windows? — Nobuyoshi Nakada <nobu@...> 2007/12/07

Hi,

[#13914] Re: [Spam] Re: What's the status of compiler/compiling on windows? — Gonzalo Garramu <ggarra@...> 2007/12/07

Nobuyoshi Nakada wrote:

[#13926] Re: [Spam] Re: What's the status of compiler/compiling on windows? — "Luis Lavena" <luislavena@...> 2007/12/07

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[#14038] Re: [Spam] Re: What's the status of compiler/compiling on windows? — "Joe Swatosh" <joe.swatosh@...> 2007/12/12

Hi Luis

[#14039] Re: [Spam] Re: What's the status of compiler/compiling on windows? — "Luis Lavena" <luislavena@...> 2007/12/12

On Dec 12, 2007 4:05 PM, Joe Swatosh <joe.swatosh@gmail.com> wrote:

[#14040] Re: [Spam] Re: What's the status of compiler/compiling on windows? — "Austin Ziegler" <halostatue@...> 2007/12/12

> This was discussed in other thread in ruby-talk, but just to summarize:

[#13969] redefineable not operator — David Flanagan <david@...>

Matz,

37 messages 2007/12/10
[#13971] Re: redefineable not operator — murphy <murphy@...> 2007/12/10

David Flanagan wrote:

[#13972] Re: redefineable not operator — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2007/12/10

Hi,

[#14007] Re: redefineable not operator — murphy <murphy@...> 2007/12/11

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#14011] Re: redefineable not operator — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2007/12/11

Hi,

[#14013] Re: redefineable not operator — murphy <murphy@...> 2007/12/12

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#14016] Re: redefineable not operator — David Flanagan <david@...> 2007/12/12

murphy wrote:

[#14019] Re: redefineable not operator — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2007/12/12

Hi,

[#14024] Re: redefineable not operator — Gary Wright <gwtmp01@...> 2007/12/12

[#14029] Re: redefineable not operator — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2007/12/12

[#14042] Fix e2mmap.rb for 1.9 — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net>

E2MM.Raise complains about $! being read-only now, and E2MM is used by

22 messages 2007/12/13
[#14043] Re: Fix e2mmap.rb for 1.9 — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2007/12/13

[#14049] RDoc + irb (Was: Fix e2mmap.rb for 1.9) — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2007/12/13

On Dec 12, 2007, at 16:19 PM, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#14052] Re: RDoc + irb (Was: Fix e2mmap.rb for 1.9) — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2007/12/13

[#14056] Re: RDoc + irb (Was: Fix e2mmap.rb for 1.9) — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...> 2007/12/13

Dave Thomas wrote:

[#14123] Some Ruby 1.9 loose ends to tie up — David Flanagan <david@...>

Matz,

20 messages 2007/12/17
[#14220] Re: Some Ruby 1.9 loose ends to tie up — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2007/12/21

Hi,

[#14238] Re: Some Ruby 1.9 loose ends to tie up — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...> 2007/12/22

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#14147] named captures assigning to local variables — David Flanagan <david@...>

I've just been browsing ruby-dev. For an english speaker, it is kind of

26 messages 2007/12/19
[#14150] Re: named captures assigning to local variables — Tanaka Akira <akr@...> 2007/12/19

In article <47686B87.7050609@davidflanagan.com>,

[#14158] Re: named captures assigning to local variables — david@... 2007/12/19

Thank you for the clarification, akr. I'm embarassed to say that it didn't

[#14161] Re: named captures assigning to local variables — David Flanagan <david@...> 2007/12/20

If I may, have a proposal. My apologies if this has already been

[#14170] Re: named captures assigning to local variables — Tanaka Akira <akr@...> 2007/12/20

In article <476A087E.3070000@davidflanagan.com>,

[#14172] Re: named captures assigning to local variables — David Flanagan <david@...> 2007/12/20

How about making the return value an array of the captured strings, or nil

[#14149] Experimental PATCH to improve thread performance — Brent Roman <brent@...>

The attached patch against Ruby 1.8.6-p110 improves the performance of

38 messages 2007/12/19
[#14202] Re: Experimental PATCH to improve thread performance — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...> 2007/12/21

Brent Roman wrote:

[#14257] Re: Experimental PATCH to improve thread performance — Brent Roman <brent@...> 2007/12/22

[#14266] Re: Experimental PATCH to improve thread performance — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...> 2007/12/22

Brent Roman wrote:

[#14274] Re: Experimental PATCH to improve thread performance — Sylvain Joyeux <sylvain.joyeux@...4x.org> 2007/12/22

On Sat, Dec 22, 2007 at 11:07:25PM +0900, Charles Oliver Nutter wrote:

[#14186] Rake 0.8.0 added to Ruby — Jim Weirich <jim.weirich@...>

Just a heads up here. I've added Rake (version 0.8.0 ... the latest)

34 messages 2007/12/21
[#14210] Re: [Spam] Rake 0.8.0 added to Ruby — Gonzalo Garramu <ggarra@...> 2007/12/21

Jim Weirich wrote:

[#14213] Re: [Spam] Rake 0.8.0 added to Ruby — "Rick DeNatale" <rick.denatale@...> 2007/12/21

On Dec 21, 2007 10:24 AM, Gonzalo Garramu=F1o <ggarra@advancedsl.com.ar> wr=

[#14215] Re: [Spam] Rake 0.8.0 added to Ruby — Jim Weirich <jim.weirich@...> 2007/12/21

[#14303] IRHG - GC Memory Fragmentation? — Charles Thornton <ceo@...>

While working on Chapter 05 and referencing various works

23 messages 2007/12/23
[#14308] Re: IRHG - GC Memory Fragmentation? — Ryan Davis <ryand-ruby@...> 2007/12/23

[#14335] Many external symbols _without_ prefix in libruby object file — Tadashi Saito <shiba@...2.accsnet.ne.jp>

Hi all,

12 messages 2007/12/23

[#14364] RDoc: [FATAL] failed to allocate memory — Martin Duerst <duerst@...>

With revision 14590, I suddenly get an error when I do "make install"

13 messages 2007/12/24

[#14367] replace csv.rb with fastercsv.rb — "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nakahiro@...>

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15 messages 2007/12/24
[#14390] Re: replace csv.rb with fastercsv.rb — James Gray <james@...> 2007/12/24

On Dec 24, 2007, at 3:34 AM, NAKAMURA, Hiroshi wrote:

[#14418] Base64 not there makes Rails 2.0.2 fail to load in 1.9.0 — Richard Kilmer <rich@...>

Just re-built latest svn of 1.9.0 and base64.rb is removed. Its

51 messages 2007/12/25
[#14420] Legacy support (Was: Base64 not there makes Rails 2.0.2 fail to load in 1.9.0) — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2007/12/25

On Dec 25, 2007, at 07:03 AM, Richard Kilmer wrote:

[#14427] Re: Legacy support (Was: Base64 not there makes Rails 2.0.2 fail to load in 1.9.0) — "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" <znmeb@...> 2007/12/25

Eric Hodel wrote:

[#14431] Re: Legacy support (Was: Base64 not there makes Rails 2.0.2 fail to load in 1.9.0) — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2007/12/25

[#14446] Re: Legacy support (Was: Base64 not there makes Rails 2.0.2 fail to load in 1.9.0) — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2007/12/26

On Dec 25, 2007, at 13:35 PM, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#14452] Re: Legacy support (Was: Base64 not there makes Rails 2.0.2 fail to load in 1.9.0) — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2007/12/26

[#14492] Re: Legacy support (Was: Base64 not there makes Rails 2.0.2 fail to load in 1.9.0) — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2007/12/27

On Dec 26, 2007, at 06:16 AM, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#14494] Re: Legacy support (Was: Base64 not there makes Rails 2.0.2 fail to load in 1.9.0) — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2007/12/27

[#14503] Re: Legacy support (Was: Base64 not there makes Rails 2.0.2 fail to load in 1.9.0) — Richard Kilmer <rich@...> 2007/12/27

[#14505] Re: Legacy support (Was: Base64 not there makes Rails 2.0.2 fail to load in 1.9.0) — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...> 2007/12/27

Richard Kilmer wrote:

[#14429] Re: Legacy support (Was: Base64 not there makes Rails 2.0.2 fail to load in 1.9.0) — hemant <gethemant@...> 2007/12/25

On Dec 26, 2007 1:01 AM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky <znmeb@cesmail.net> wrote:

[#14430] Re: Legacy support (Was: Base64 not there makes Rails 2.0.2 fail to load in 1.9.0) — "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" <znmeb@...> 2007/12/25

hemant wrote:

[#14517] Invalid use of mktime() in Ruby 1.8/1.9 results in incorrect Time objects — Dirkjan Bussink <d.bussink@...>

Hello,

12 messages 2007/12/27

[#14549] multibyte strings & bucket-of-bytes efficiency under 1.9.0 — khaines@...

Like everyone else, I've been testing my stuff under 1.9.0. In general,

38 messages 2007/12/28
[#14560] Re: multibyte strings & bucket-of-bytes efficiency under 1.9.0 — Brent Roman <brent@...> 2007/12/28

[#14573] Re: multibyte strings & bucket-of-bytes efficiency under 1.9.0 — murphy <murphy@...> 2007/12/29

Brent Roman wrote:

[#14603] Re: multibyte strings & bucket-of-bytes efficiency under 1.9.0 — Brent Roman <brent@...> 2007/12/30

[#14617] Re: multibyte strings & bucket-of-bytes efficiency under 1.9.0 — Tanaka Akira <akr@...> 2007/12/31

In article <14544702.post@talk.nabble.com>,

[#14568] Layout of includes in ruby 1.9 — Gonzalo Garramu <ggarra@...>

19 messages 2007/12/29
[#14576] Re: Layout of includes in ruby 1.9 — "Rick DeNatale" <rick.denatale@...> 2007/12/29

On Dec 29, 2007 2:39 AM, Gonzalo Garramu=F1o <ggarra@advancedsl.com.ar> wro=

[#14569] Wide strings to ruby strings — Gonzalo Garramu <ggarra@...>

11 messages 2007/12/29

[#14602] RCR allow indexing last n items — "Michal Suchanek" <hramrach@...>

Hello

15 messages 2007/12/30
[#14609] Re: RCR allow indexing last n items — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2007/12/30

Hi --

[#14610] Re: RCR allow indexing last n items — "Michal Suchanek" <hramrach@...> 2007/12/30

On 30/12/2007, David A. Black <dblack@rubypal.com> wrote:

[#14616] Re: RCR allow indexing last n items — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2007/12/30

Hi --

[#14621] Module.new(&block) in Ruby 1.9 — murphy <murphy@...>

Hello!

21 messages 2007/12/31
[#14622] Re: Module.new(&block) in Ruby 1.9 — "Cheah Chu Yeow" <chuyeow@...> 2007/12/31

This looks like a related bug with passing block arguments to

[#14633] Re: Module.new(&block) in Ruby 1.9 — murphy <murphy@...> 2007/12/31

Cheah Chu Yeow wrote:

[#14716] Re: Module.new(&block) in Ruby 1.9 — SASADA Koichi <ko1@...> 2008/01/03

Hi,

[#14726] Re: Module.new(&block) in Ruby 1.9 — ts <decoux@...> 2008/01/03

>>>>> "S" == SASADA Koichi <ko1@atdot.net> writes:

[#14728] Re: Module.new(&block) in Ruby 1.9 — SASADA Koichi <ko1@...> 2008/01/03

Hi,

[#16093] Re: Module.new(&block) in Ruby 1.9 — "Jeremy Kemper" <jeremy@...> 2008/04/01

Hi,

Re: Better introspection for Frames, Thread, and enhancing binding.

From: Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...>
Date: 2007-12-03 19:16:27 UTC
List: ruby-core #13872
Rocky Bernstein wrote:
> On Dec 3, 2007 1:49 AM, Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@sun.com 
> <mailto:charles.nutter@sun.com>> wrote:
> 
>     ...
>     The point is, if user code can expect to grab a frame object at any
>     time, you have to be prepared to present one and manage its lifecycle
>     along with userspace objects. 
> 
> 
> There may some misunderstanding of what I was suggesting. First of all, 
> there /always/ is a frame in the program. That is the information I'm 
> suggesting get returned. And this information once copied to a variable 
> need not be dynamically updated as the program runs, so this life-cycle 
> management is no more complicated than what happens normally.

It is, because many implementations may choose to manage frame 
information differently. Inlining is one example, tail call optimization 
is another. Exposing the frame stack for arbitrary uses means it needs 
to be kept intact all the time, or you get bad frame information...

> It's not so bad or complicated as you seem to make it out to be. 
> Consider what happens when I debug C code with inlined functions.  I ask 
> the debugger where am I and it says I'm in one of the calling functions 
> rather than the inline function that I believe I am at. Maybe it looks a 
> little odd, so I either arrange to turn off optimization for that part 
> or I deal with it. (Having a disassembler or assembly listing can be 
> helpful here.)

...so you need to turn optimization off. That's my point. You can't have 
an implementation that does its own optimization of framing or call 
information if code can expect to grab frame information for an 
arbitrary call in the stack at any time.

> Having a way to ask for frame information doesn't stop a friendly or 
> helpful interpreter from providing a way to undo its frame-elimination 
> transformations as best as it can - either on request or under some sort 
> of switches. However it doesn't /require/ it either.

Certainly; and that's how JRuby would be able to support this...we'll 
just turn off optimization and you'll have all frames available. It's 
*much* more complicated to do it in a live program, however, since code 
gets compiled to use optimized framing resulting in frame information 
potentially not being present later one; you'd need to turn off such 
optimization ahead of time. That's all.

- Charlie

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