[#96321] parent of TrueClass, FalseClass — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...>

19 messages 2004/04/01
[#96356] Re: parent of TrueClass, FalseClass — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2004/04/02

Hi,

[#96404] Variable names — David King Landrith <dlandrith@...>

About a year ago, I wrote a simple type enforcement library that adds a

33 messages 2004/04/02
[#96406] Re: Variable names — ts <decoux@...> 2004/04/02

>>>>> "D" == David King Landrith <dlandrith@mac.com> writes:

[#96424] Re: Variable names — David King Landrith <dlandrith@...> 2004/04/02

[#96430] Re: Variable names — Dan Doel <djd15@...> 2004/04/02

On Friday 02 April 2004 2:43 pm, David King Landrith wrote:

[#96432] Re: Variable names — David King Landrith <dlandrith@...> 2004/04/02

On Apr 2, 2004, at 3:51 PM, Dan Doel wrote:

[#96447] Learning Ruby, was a C geek... — Nicholas Paul Johnson <nickjohnson@...>

Hello all,

17 messages 2004/04/02

[#96634] Where does the name Rite come from? — Michael Neumann <mneumann@...>

Hi,

15 messages 2004/04/06
[#96642] Re: Where does the name Rite come from? — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2004/04/06

Hi,

[#96652] Re: Where does the name Rite come from? — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2004/04/06

Yukihiro Matsumoto (matz@ruby-lang.org) wrote:

[#96697] Idea: Simplified GTK — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

Here's an idea. I've begun implementing it.

74 messages 2004/04/07
[#96699] Re: Idea: Simplified GTK — Chad Fowler <chad@...> 2004/04/07

[#96876] RedCloth bug and suggestion — Jim Menard <jimm@...>

_why_ and fellow RedCloth users,

15 messages 2004/04/09

[#96877] Instiki 0.3.0: Before the Storm — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...>

What's new in Instiki 0.3.0?

12 messages 2004/04/09

[#97020] test / unit question: facility to mark some tests as "missing" or "incomplete" — "Its Me" <itsme213@...>

I often find myself with some unit tests that run, and several more test

14 messages 2004/04/12

[#97077] Instiki 0.5.0: Getting Serious — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...>

What's new in Instiki 0.5.0?

16 messages 2004/04/13

[#97083] New Ruby questions... — Jeff Massung <jma@...>

I've just started Ruby a couple days ago (man this is cool). Coming from

14 messages 2004/04/13

[#97109] New Local Variable Scope rule — "Shashank Date" <sdate@...>

In one of Matz's slides at RubyConf ,

33 messages 2004/04/14

[#97134] BlueCloth: a Markdown implementation for Ruby — Michael Granger <ged@...>

Hi all,

17 messages 2004/04/14

[#97201] File locking, portably? — Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng <hgs@...>

Searching the web and books for information on this, I can't seem to

12 messages 2004/04/14

[#97277] Hash, ==, key-value comparison — walter@...

Ok,

20 messages 2004/04/15

[#97308] Instiki 0.6.0: Feeds, Exports, Safety, and Compatibility — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...>

What's new in Instiki 0.6.0?

14 messages 2004/04/15

[#97351] "bad file descriptor" in Win32 DLL — "Christian Kaiser" <chk@...>

Using Ruby 1.81, the DLL (msvcrt-ruby18.dll) sometimes raises an exception

14 messages 2004/04/16

[#97363] BlueCloth 0.0.2 (beta) — Michael Granger <ged@...>

Hi,

18 messages 2004/04/16
[#97399] BlueCloth on Instiki (was Re: [ANN] BlueCloth 0.0.2 (beta)) — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...> 2004/04/16

> Thanks to all of you that have offered your suggestions and code. I

[#97405] RubyConf 2004 — Ian Macdonald <ian@...>

Hello,

46 messages 2004/04/17
[#97409] Re: RubyConf 2004 — Chad Fowler <chad@...> 2004/04/17

[#97460] Re: RubyConf 2004 — Paul Duncan <pabs@...> 2004/04/17

* Chad Fowler (chad@chadfowler.com) wrote:

[#97465] Re: RubyConf 2004 — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2004/04/17

Paul Duncan wrote:

[#97466] Re: RubyConf 2004 — Chad Fowler <chad@...> 2004/04/17

[#97486] Ruby Installer for Windows 1.8.1-12 — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2004/04/18

The Ruby Installer 1.8.1-12 for Windows has been released and is now

[#97418] Objects in perl6 (rubyish :) — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...1.vip.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi gurus and nubys,

20 messages 2004/04/17

[#97426] $0 is messed up — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

I have just upgraded to 1.9 16-apr-2004 from 1.9 7-apr-2004.

15 messages 2004/04/17

[#97473] convert yield to proc — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

How do you guys convert yield to block ?

21 messages 2004/04/18

[#97565] Gateway — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...>

34 messages 2004/04/19

[#97628] Instiki 0.7.0: Flavors of Expression — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...>

What's new in Instiki 0.7.0?

15 messages 2004/04/19

[#97631] proposal: call_up() for use in redefined methods — Mark Hubbart <discord@...>

Hi all,

18 messages 2004/04/19

[#97640] Fox --> GTK ? — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

Who has experience converting Fox to GTK and might like to

29 messages 2004/04/19

[#97705] The quest for opensource database... — "Ruby Tuesdays" <NoSpamPlease_rubytuzdaiz@...>

Perhaps you database guru able to suggest what would be a good choice for

35 messages 2004/04/20

[#97743] Setting up a wiki when you don't have root — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson)

12 messages 2004/04/20

[#97785] Creating bang methods — "Jon Hurst" <jon@...>

(newbie) I can't for my life figure out how to create bang methods. Please

20 messages 2004/04/21

[#97797] rexml: how to get element type? — "Its Me" <itsme213@...>

doc = REXML::Document.new <<EOF

14 messages 2004/04/21

[#97808] binding - how to get current script? — Szymon Drejewicz <drejewic@...>

18 messages 2004/04/21

[#97866] Is Ruby is better than PHP ... — "Useko Netsumi" <usenets_remote_this@...>

or perhaps Java for developing web application?

46 messages 2004/04/21

[#97873] Re: how to get ri/rdoc working for 1.8.1 on Windows? — "John W. Kennedy" <jwkenne@...>

Part 1 is to chdir \Ruby\bin and delete the five *.bat files

41 messages 2004/04/21
[#97910] Re: how to get ri/rdoc working for 1.8.1 on Windows? — "Its Me" <itsme213@...> 2004/04/21

[#97964] Re: how to get ri/rdoc working for [user-installed libraries] — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...> 2004/04/21

On Thursday, April 22, 2004, 4:44:09 AM, Its wrote:

[#97984] Re: how to get ri/rdoc working for [user-installed libraries] — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2004/04/22

[#98000] Re: how to get ri/rdoc working for [user-installed libraries] — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2004/04/22

>

[#97926] Re: how to get ri/rdoc working for 1.8.1 on Windows? — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...> 2004/04/21

Hello John,

[#97936] Re: how to get ri/rdoc working for 1.8.1 on Windows? — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2004/04/21

[#97971] Re: how to get ri/rdoc working for 1.8.1 on Windows? — Jos Backus <jos@...> 2004/04/21

On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 05:50:40AM +0900, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#97985] Re: how to get ri/rdoc working for 1.8.1 on Windows? — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2004/04/22

[#97997] RedCloth 2.0.7 -- A Textile Humane Web Text Generator — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...>

more and more, you've seen it all before (i swear it's slowin down):

12 messages 2004/04/22
[#98008] Re: [ANN] RedCloth 2.0.7 -- A Textile Humane Web Text Generator — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...> 2004/04/22

> I've wanted this feature to work right for awhile. It took a rewrite

[#98101] Extract all occurences from a text — Michael Weller <michael@...>

Hi!

11 messages 2004/04/23

[#98135] Problem assigning an Array object to an Array-subclass object — "Richard Lionheart" <NoOne@...>

[ I apologize if this is a second post. My earlier one seems to have gotten

29 messages 2004/04/23

[#98177] Psyco — Jim Moy <web@...>

Interesting stuff for Python, is any work like this being done in Ruby?

14 messages 2004/04/23

[#98181] Playing with sockets... — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

I'm writing a little expect-like piece of code and trying to test it

16 messages 2004/04/23

[#98281] String#unpack and null-terminated strings — Michael Neumann <mneumann@...>

Hi,

15 messages 2004/04/24

[#98362] How's ruby compare to it older brother python — "Hunn E. Balsiche" <hunnebal@...>

in term of its OO features, syntax consistencies, ease of use, and their

51 messages 2004/04/26
[#98597] Re: How's ruby compare to it older brother python — "Ken Hilton" <kenosis@...> 2004/04/28

Amen, brother.

[#98778] Re: How's ruby compare to it older brother python — "trevor andrade" <trevor.andrade@...> 2004/04/30

I agree that flaming the question is not appropriate and its also bad for

[#98789] Re: How's ruby compare to it older brother python — Dan Doel <djd15@...> 2004/04/30

I'm not saying the topic isn't appropriate. I don't mind the topic, and I find

[#98365] Introducing myself - Sascha Ebach — Sascha Ebach <se@...>

Hello dear Rubyists,

51 messages 2004/04/26
[#98568] Re: Introducing myself - Sascha Ebach — "Josef 'Jupp' Schugt" <jupp@...> 2004/04/27

Hello from Beethoven's home town,

[#98569] Re: Introducing myself - Sascha Ebach — Sascha Ebach <se@...> 2004/04/27

Hello Jupp

[#98570] Re: Introducing myself - Sascha Ebach — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...> 2004/04/27

Sascha Ebach <se@hexatex.de> wrote:

[#98753] Re: Introducing myself - Sascha Ebach — "Josef 'Jupp' Schugt" <jupp@...> 2004/04/29

Simon Strandgaard wrote:

[#98762] Re: Introducing myself - Sascha Ebach — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...> 2004/04/29

Josef 'Jupp' Schugt <jupp@gmx.de> wrote:

[#98817] Opportunities and pitfalls; was "Introducing myself - Sascha Ebach" — Mike Calder <ceo@...> 2004/04/30

A word of warning from a potential friend. Please don't take this negatively,

[#98847] Re: Opportunities and pitfalls; was "Introducing myself - Sascha Ebach" — Mark Hubbart <discord@...> 2004/04/30

[#98854] Re: Opportunities and pitfalls; was "Introducing myself - Sascha Ebach" — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2004/04/30

Mark Hubbart wrote:

[#98858] Re: Opportunities and pitfalls; was "Introducing myself - Sascha Ebach" — Mark Hubbart <discord@...> 2004/04/30

[#98366] How do I scale large Ruby web applications? — Sascha Ebach <se@...>

Hi there,

19 messages 2004/04/26

[#98409] Semantics of Multiple Values — Kristof Bastiaensen <kristof@...>

Hi liszt,

25 messages 2004/04/26

[#98435] Approaches to localization? — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson)

I'm developing a GUI app using Ruby and FLTK. One of the requirements

22 messages 2004/04/26

[#98714] Ruby under Suse Linux — Mike Calder <ceo@...>

Hi.

14 messages 2004/04/29

[#98750] coerce(), what protocol to implement it — Jean-Hugues ROBERT <jean_hugues_robert@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2004/04/29

[#98758] File.expand_path(__FILE__) — John Platte <john.platte@...>

I'm having a problem with File.expand_path(__FILE__) after a chdir.

30 messages 2004/04/29

[#98796] SciTE Ruby Lexer — Kaspar Schiess <eule@...>

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13 messages 2004/04/30

[#98820] ruby CVS can't use shared libs on NetBSD — Dick Davies <rasputnik@...>

11 messages 2004/04/30

[#98832] def [](v) xx; return yy; end # returned value is ignored !? — Jean-Hugues ROBERT <jean_hugues_robert@...>

Hi,

27 messages 2004/04/30

[#98851] Lazy evaluation — Michael Neumann <mneumann@...>

Hi,

51 messages 2004/04/30
[#98871] Re: Lazy evaluation — Jean-Hugues ROBERT <jean_hugues_robert@...> 2004/04/30

At 03:45 01/05/2004 +0900, you wrote:

[#98875] Re: Lazy evaluation — Florian Gross <flgr@...> 2004/04/30

Jean-Hugues ROBERT wrote:

[#98896] Re: Lazy evaluation (evil) — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson) 2004/05/01

In article <c6uh31$gaq2i$1@ID-7468.news.uni-berlin.de>,

[#98913] Re: Lazy evaluation (evil) — Florian Gross <flgr@...> 2004/05/01

Phil Tomson wrote:

[#98917] Re: Lazy evaluation (evil) — ts <decoux@...> 2004/05/01

>>>>> "F" == Florian Gross <flgr@ccan.de> writes:

[#98919] Re: Lazy evaluation (evil) — Florian Gross <flgr@...> 2004/05/01

ts wrote:

Re: Semantics of Multiple Values (updated RCR)

From: Jean-Hugues ROBERT <jean_hugues_robert@...>
Date: 2004-04-27 19:51:59 UTC
List: ruby-talk #98563
At 23:39 27/04/2004 +0900, you wrote:
>|*  Comparing multiple values
>|*  Unify operator
>
>I have to confess I couldn't understand those two proposals, how they
>behave, and how they are useful.
>
>                                                         matz.

I have some Prolog background and I believe Prolog is the
language where unification is central.

First, I have to say that what I proposed is a "poor man's unification".
Not that its value is low, only it does not turn Ruby into Prolog.

Q. So, what is a "poor man's unify".
A. Well... it is Unification. But without a key aspect of it: Backtracking.

Q. Backtracking ?
A. Backtracking is what happen when a function can return many values,
once a time, like a generator if you wish. So let's forget about that.

What remains is a mechanism that does two things at once:
   - comparison
   - assignment

Q. You mean, I can have my cake and eat it too ?
A. Cool, isn't it ?

Comparison: ==
   We know what it is already. It depends either on the identity of objects
   or on their value. Let's skip the easy one.

Comparison by value:
   For scalar type, it's easy, "a" is "a" and 1 is 1.
   For collection, it's slightly more complex. You compare (note the
   recursivity introduced here) each element of the collections.

Q. That's not exactly true, .==() is called.
A. True. Let's assume that the unification algorithm walk the collections
itself, calling some .unify() instead.

So far, so good, known stuff.

Now, Assignment: =
   Assignment is about setting the value of a Variable.
   Before the assignment, there exists 2 cases:
     - The variable exists already. It is "Bound" to something
     - The variable does not exit.  It is "Free"
   After the assignment the variable is bound to some value.

Finally, Comparison + Assignment:
   Let's assume that, in addition to a scalar and collection, a
   value can be a reference to a variable (not the case in Ruby today).

Q. Then, what happens with comparison ?
A. That's easy:
     - For a variable that exists already, you pick it's value and
       you use it to do the comparison. "Bound" case.
     - For a variable that does not already exists, it is even easier,
       you assume that the comparison succeed and, as a side effect,
       you "create" the variable with the value it was compared against.

Q. That's it !
A. Yes !

Q. Now, what about the consequences/impacts on Ruby ?

A. First and paramount is that when building a value, in the context
of a "Comparison + Assignment", you cannot proceed as usual. i.e.
unify [a,b], [c,d] is not like [a,b] == [c,d].

Q. OK. How ?
A. When you evaluate the later (==), you build values getting rid of the
variables, i.e. you use the value of the variable in place of the
variable itself.

Whereas with unify, you don't. Instead, whenever there is a variable,
you keep it.

Q. How is that possible ?
A. Well, it is... you need something that does not exists in Ruby so far,
an object that describes a variable. In such a way that, instead
of using the variable's value, you reference the variable itself.

Q. In C, this is &var, the "address of var", similar ?
A. Yes, pretty much the same.

So, if a is 1, b is 2... then
   [a,b] == [c,d] is about comparing [1,2] with [3,4] and...
unify [a,b], [c,d] is about [&a,&b] and [&c,&d] (using C's syntax)

That's an additional level of indirection.

Q. OK. Nice. But where is it useful ?
A. Very often ! It is already there in Ruby actually !

Q. No kidding ?
A. No, look.

def f( a, b, c ); ... end
When f is invoked, some unification occur:
   unify f's args, [a,b,c]

a, b, c = f()
When assignment with multiple values occur:
   unify [a,b,c], f() # Q. Almost... what if f() returns [1,2] ?
                      # Q. What if a, b or c already exists ?

p = proc( { |a,b,c| ... }
p.call( 1, 2, 3)
When Proc get their parameters:
   unify [a,b,c], proc's actual parameters

A. "unify" is there but not exactly with the same semantic:
   - Assignment always occur, even if variable is already bound.
   - nil is assigned to the variable when there is no better value.
That behaviour is what I call "assign", versus "unify".

  "unify" and "assign" work even better if a new type of
value is introduced (in addition to the one introduced already,
the one that is a & reference to a variable).

The new type is "FreeClass", much like TrueClass. That is
a Singleton too.

Q. What is it for ?
A. a = FreeClass.instance() is the way to "free" the "bound"
variable named "a". Shorthand: a = free

Now, some examples, explained.

def test()
   unify a, 1
   p a        # => 1, a was free, now it is bound
   a = free
   p a        # free, a is free again
   unify a, 2
   p a       # => 2, a was free
   unify a, 3
   p a      # => 2, a was bound, unify failed.
   a = free
   unify [a,b], [] # Fails (evaluate to false)
   unify [a,b], [1,2]
   p a, b   # => 1 2, unify succeeded.
   unify [free,b], [1,2] # Succeeds
   unify [free,b], [1,3] # Fails
   unify [free,b], [1,c] # Succeeds
   p c      # => 2... it works both ways
   a = b = c = free
   unify [a,b], [1,2,3]
   p a, b  # nil nil, unify failed
   assign [a,b], [1,2,3]
   p a, b  # 1, 2, assign is more tolerant
   assign [2,b], [1,3]
   p b     # 2, assign failed, no assignments done
end

I hope that this explanation, way too long, gives you
some idea about how powerful an "assign" and "unify"
operators could be and how close they are to what
already exists.

Nota: *, like in f( *args), makes them even more powerful !

Yours,

Jean-Hugues


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