From: Jean-Hugues ROBERT <jean_hugues_robert@...>
Date: 2004-04-30T14:12:19+09:00
Subject: Re: How's ruby compare to it older brother python

Hi,

I believe the answer to your question is here:
   http://www.geocities.com/ptypes/paranoidpd.html

Life is a bitch.

Yours,

Jean-Hugues

At 13:50 30/04/2004 +0900, you wrote:
>I agree that flaming the question is not appropriate and its also bad for
>the Ruby community in general.  One of the things that attracted to me to
>the Ruby language was the open-mindedness of the list members and the
>friendliness of the Ruby community.   One of the things that amazed me about
>the Ruby community (at least in the past) was that they almost never flamed
>people who discussed the advantages of other languages over Ruby.  In fact
>sometimes they even admitted certain languages had advantages over Ruby.  I
>also thought Matz was very humble and unassuming (maybe because he is
>Japanese) considering that he is the creator of the language. In fact I
>don't think I have ever heard Matz flame anyone.  On the other hand the
>exact opposite is true of the Python list.  Guido has flamed people who
>asked reasonable questions and  based on my limited experience on the Python
>list I found him incredibly rude.  Additionally the Pythonistas in general
>appear to me to be very narrow minded and intolerant.  One reason why I have
>avoided learning Lisp is that the Lispers are unbelievebly intolerant of
>anyone questioning their language.  It saddens me to see the same thing
>starting to happen on the Ruby list.
>
>I do not agree that this topic is not appropriate to discuss.  This is a
>topic that ought to be rehashed periodically because the are many possible
>comparisons that can be made between Python and Ruby.  It is possible to
>compare the languages with respect to speed, power, syntax, libraries,
>community, philosophy, readability, beauty etc.  Additionally both languages
>are changing so there will always be new things to compare.  Comparisons are
>useful in general because they help us to understand a languages strengths
>and weaknesses and how it can be improved in the future.  Also there is no
>reason a person cannot use both Ruby and Python.  They are not mutually
>exclusive.  Knowing something about each languages strengths and weaknesses
>would be helpful for deciding whether to use Python or Ruby on a given
>project.
>
>As to the question of the time wasted responding to these questions I think
>that is a total red herring.  If you don't want to waste time responding,
>don't read the message or just delete it.  No one is forcing anyone to do
>anything.  How long does it take to press the delete button?  Probably less
>time than it does for the guy who asked the question to search the archives
>for the answer to the question.  I think the real reason that people don't
>like this sort of question is that they feel it is really an attack on the
>Ruby language which they take personally.  I really don't understand why
>anyone would take any of these questions personally even if they are stealth
>attacks on the Ruby language.  Why not just answer the question
>respectfully, referencing the archives if necessary and let that be the end
>of it.
>
>Regards,
>Trevor
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ken Hilton [mailto:kenosis@comcast.net]
>Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 11:44 PM
>To: ruby-talk ML
>Subject: Re: How's ruby compare to it older brother python
>
>
>Amen, brother.
>
>"Dan Doel" <djd15@po.cwru.edu> wrote in message
>news:200404272217.26571.djd15@po.cwru.edu...
> > I don't really mind this type of question a whole lot, but it does occur a
> > lot. Personally, I think it's best dealt with links to existing
>discussions.
> >
> > There's no need to discuss this topic over and over when there are
>archives
> > where it has all been said. It doesn't take any longer to read the
>archives
> > than it does to read new posts saying the same things.
> >
> > Plus this particular topic attracts more trolling than the average
>ruby-talk
> > thread, so they tend to grow huge with people making personal attacks at
>each
> > other.
> >
> > I don't really think flaming the question was entirely appropriate, but
> > perhaps someone should collect a bunch of links to old ruby-talk posts and
> > other resources so we can have a canned response to this topic and leave
>it
> > at that.
> >
> > - Dan
> >
> >

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