[#96321] parent of TrueClass, FalseClass — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...>

19 messages 2004/04/01
[#96356] Re: parent of TrueClass, FalseClass — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2004/04/02

Hi,

[#96404] Variable names — David King Landrith <dlandrith@...>

About a year ago, I wrote a simple type enforcement library that adds a

33 messages 2004/04/02
[#96406] Re: Variable names — ts <decoux@...> 2004/04/02

>>>>> "D" == David King Landrith <dlandrith@mac.com> writes:

[#96424] Re: Variable names — David King Landrith <dlandrith@...> 2004/04/02

[#96430] Re: Variable names — Dan Doel <djd15@...> 2004/04/02

On Friday 02 April 2004 2:43 pm, David King Landrith wrote:

[#96432] Re: Variable names — David King Landrith <dlandrith@...> 2004/04/02

On Apr 2, 2004, at 3:51 PM, Dan Doel wrote:

[#96447] Learning Ruby, was a C geek... — Nicholas Paul Johnson <nickjohnson@...>

Hello all,

17 messages 2004/04/02

[#96634] Where does the name Rite come from? — Michael Neumann <mneumann@...>

Hi,

15 messages 2004/04/06
[#96642] Re: Where does the name Rite come from? — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2004/04/06

Hi,

[#96652] Re: Where does the name Rite come from? — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2004/04/06

Yukihiro Matsumoto (matz@ruby-lang.org) wrote:

[#96697] Idea: Simplified GTK — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

Here's an idea. I've begun implementing it.

74 messages 2004/04/07
[#96699] Re: Idea: Simplified GTK — Chad Fowler <chad@...> 2004/04/07

[#96876] RedCloth bug and suggestion — Jim Menard <jimm@...>

_why_ and fellow RedCloth users,

15 messages 2004/04/09

[#96877] Instiki 0.3.0: Before the Storm — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...>

What's new in Instiki 0.3.0?

12 messages 2004/04/09

[#97020] test / unit question: facility to mark some tests as "missing" or "incomplete" — "Its Me" <itsme213@...>

I often find myself with some unit tests that run, and several more test

14 messages 2004/04/12

[#97077] Instiki 0.5.0: Getting Serious — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...>

What's new in Instiki 0.5.0?

16 messages 2004/04/13

[#97083] New Ruby questions... — Jeff Massung <jma@...>

I've just started Ruby a couple days ago (man this is cool). Coming from

14 messages 2004/04/13

[#97109] New Local Variable Scope rule — "Shashank Date" <sdate@...>

In one of Matz's slides at RubyConf ,

33 messages 2004/04/14

[#97134] BlueCloth: a Markdown implementation for Ruby — Michael Granger <ged@...>

Hi all,

17 messages 2004/04/14

[#97201] File locking, portably? — Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng <hgs@...>

Searching the web and books for information on this, I can't seem to

12 messages 2004/04/14

[#97277] Hash, ==, key-value comparison — walter@...

Ok,

20 messages 2004/04/15

[#97308] Instiki 0.6.0: Feeds, Exports, Safety, and Compatibility — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...>

What's new in Instiki 0.6.0?

14 messages 2004/04/15

[#97351] "bad file descriptor" in Win32 DLL — "Christian Kaiser" <chk@...>

Using Ruby 1.81, the DLL (msvcrt-ruby18.dll) sometimes raises an exception

14 messages 2004/04/16

[#97363] BlueCloth 0.0.2 (beta) — Michael Granger <ged@...>

Hi,

18 messages 2004/04/16
[#97399] BlueCloth on Instiki (was Re: [ANN] BlueCloth 0.0.2 (beta)) — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...> 2004/04/16

> Thanks to all of you that have offered your suggestions and code. I

[#97405] RubyConf 2004 — Ian Macdonald <ian@...>

Hello,

46 messages 2004/04/17
[#97409] Re: RubyConf 2004 — Chad Fowler <chad@...> 2004/04/17

[#97460] Re: RubyConf 2004 — Paul Duncan <pabs@...> 2004/04/17

* Chad Fowler (chad@chadfowler.com) wrote:

[#97465] Re: RubyConf 2004 — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2004/04/17

Paul Duncan wrote:

[#97466] Re: RubyConf 2004 — Chad Fowler <chad@...> 2004/04/17

[#97486] Ruby Installer for Windows 1.8.1-12 — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2004/04/18

The Ruby Installer 1.8.1-12 for Windows has been released and is now

[#97418] Objects in perl6 (rubyish :) — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...1.vip.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi gurus and nubys,

20 messages 2004/04/17

[#97426] $0 is messed up — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

I have just upgraded to 1.9 16-apr-2004 from 1.9 7-apr-2004.

15 messages 2004/04/17

[#97473] convert yield to proc — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

How do you guys convert yield to block ?

21 messages 2004/04/18

[#97565] Gateway — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...>

34 messages 2004/04/19

[#97628] Instiki 0.7.0: Flavors of Expression — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...>

What's new in Instiki 0.7.0?

15 messages 2004/04/19

[#97631] proposal: call_up() for use in redefined methods — Mark Hubbart <discord@...>

Hi all,

18 messages 2004/04/19

[#97640] Fox --> GTK ? — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

Who has experience converting Fox to GTK and might like to

29 messages 2004/04/19

[#97705] The quest for opensource database... — "Ruby Tuesdays" <NoSpamPlease_rubytuzdaiz@...>

Perhaps you database guru able to suggest what would be a good choice for

35 messages 2004/04/20

[#97743] Setting up a wiki when you don't have root — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson)

12 messages 2004/04/20

[#97785] Creating bang methods — "Jon Hurst" <jon@...>

(newbie) I can't for my life figure out how to create bang methods. Please

20 messages 2004/04/21

[#97797] rexml: how to get element type? — "Its Me" <itsme213@...>

doc = REXML::Document.new <<EOF

14 messages 2004/04/21

[#97808] binding - how to get current script? — Szymon Drejewicz <drejewic@...>

18 messages 2004/04/21

[#97866] Is Ruby is better than PHP ... — "Useko Netsumi" <usenets_remote_this@...>

or perhaps Java for developing web application?

46 messages 2004/04/21

[#97873] Re: how to get ri/rdoc working for 1.8.1 on Windows? — "John W. Kennedy" <jwkenne@...>

Part 1 is to chdir \Ruby\bin and delete the five *.bat files

41 messages 2004/04/21
[#97926] Re: how to get ri/rdoc working for 1.8.1 on Windows? — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...> 2004/04/21

Hello John,

[#97936] Re: how to get ri/rdoc working for 1.8.1 on Windows? — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2004/04/21

[#97971] Re: how to get ri/rdoc working for 1.8.1 on Windows? — Jos Backus <jos@...> 2004/04/21

On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 05:50:40AM +0900, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#97985] Re: how to get ri/rdoc working for 1.8.1 on Windows? — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2004/04/22

[#97910] Re: how to get ri/rdoc working for 1.8.1 on Windows? — "Its Me" <itsme213@...> 2004/04/21

[#97964] Re: how to get ri/rdoc working for [user-installed libraries] — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...> 2004/04/21

On Thursday, April 22, 2004, 4:44:09 AM, Its wrote:

[#97984] Re: how to get ri/rdoc working for [user-installed libraries] — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2004/04/22

[#98000] Re: how to get ri/rdoc working for [user-installed libraries] — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2004/04/22

>

[#97997] RedCloth 2.0.7 -- A Textile Humane Web Text Generator — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...>

more and more, you've seen it all before (i swear it's slowin down):

12 messages 2004/04/22
[#98008] Re: [ANN] RedCloth 2.0.7 -- A Textile Humane Web Text Generator — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...> 2004/04/22

> I've wanted this feature to work right for awhile. It took a rewrite

[#98101] Extract all occurences from a text — Michael Weller <michael@...>

Hi!

11 messages 2004/04/23

[#98135] Problem assigning an Array object to an Array-subclass object — "Richard Lionheart" <NoOne@...>

[ I apologize if this is a second post. My earlier one seems to have gotten

29 messages 2004/04/23

[#98177] Psyco — Jim Moy <web@...>

Interesting stuff for Python, is any work like this being done in Ruby?

14 messages 2004/04/23

[#98181] Playing with sockets... — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

I'm writing a little expect-like piece of code and trying to test it

16 messages 2004/04/23

[#98281] String#unpack and null-terminated strings — Michael Neumann <mneumann@...>

Hi,

15 messages 2004/04/24

[#98362] How's ruby compare to it older brother python — "Hunn E. Balsiche" <hunnebal@...>

in term of its OO features, syntax consistencies, ease of use, and their

51 messages 2004/04/26
[#98597] Re: How's ruby compare to it older brother python — "Ken Hilton" <kenosis@...> 2004/04/28

Amen, brother.

[#98778] Re: How's ruby compare to it older brother python — "trevor andrade" <trevor.andrade@...> 2004/04/30

I agree that flaming the question is not appropriate and its also bad for

[#98789] Re: How's ruby compare to it older brother python — Dan Doel <djd15@...> 2004/04/30

I'm not saying the topic isn't appropriate. I don't mind the topic, and I find

[#98365] Introducing myself - Sascha Ebach — Sascha Ebach <se@...>

Hello dear Rubyists,

51 messages 2004/04/26
[#98568] Re: Introducing myself - Sascha Ebach — "Josef 'Jupp' Schugt" <jupp@...> 2004/04/27

Hello from Beethoven's home town,

[#98569] Re: Introducing myself - Sascha Ebach — Sascha Ebach <se@...> 2004/04/27

Hello Jupp

[#98570] Re: Introducing myself - Sascha Ebach — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...> 2004/04/27

Sascha Ebach <se@hexatex.de> wrote:

[#98753] Re: Introducing myself - Sascha Ebach — "Josef 'Jupp' Schugt" <jupp@...> 2004/04/29

Simon Strandgaard wrote:

[#98762] Re: Introducing myself - Sascha Ebach — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...> 2004/04/29

Josef 'Jupp' Schugt <jupp@gmx.de> wrote:

[#98817] Opportunities and pitfalls; was "Introducing myself - Sascha Ebach" — Mike Calder <ceo@...> 2004/04/30

A word of warning from a potential friend. Please don't take this negatively,

[#98847] Re: Opportunities and pitfalls; was "Introducing myself - Sascha Ebach" — Mark Hubbart <discord@...> 2004/04/30

[#98854] Re: Opportunities and pitfalls; was "Introducing myself - Sascha Ebach" — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2004/04/30

Mark Hubbart wrote:

[#98858] Re: Opportunities and pitfalls; was "Introducing myself - Sascha Ebach" — Mark Hubbart <discord@...> 2004/04/30

[#98366] How do I scale large Ruby web applications? — Sascha Ebach <se@...>

Hi there,

19 messages 2004/04/26

[#98409] Semantics of Multiple Values — Kristof Bastiaensen <kristof@...>

Hi liszt,

25 messages 2004/04/26

[#98435] Approaches to localization? — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson)

I'm developing a GUI app using Ruby and FLTK. One of the requirements

22 messages 2004/04/26

[#98714] Ruby under Suse Linux — Mike Calder <ceo@...>

Hi.

14 messages 2004/04/29

[#98750] coerce(), what protocol to implement it — Jean-Hugues ROBERT <jean_hugues_robert@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2004/04/29

[#98758] File.expand_path(__FILE__) — John Platte <john.platte@...>

I'm having a problem with File.expand_path(__FILE__) after a chdir.

30 messages 2004/04/29

[#98796] SciTE Ruby Lexer — Kaspar Schiess <eule@...>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

13 messages 2004/04/30

[#98820] ruby CVS can't use shared libs on NetBSD — Dick Davies <rasputnik@...>

11 messages 2004/04/30

[#98832] def [](v) xx; return yy; end # returned value is ignored !? — Jean-Hugues ROBERT <jean_hugues_robert@...>

Hi,

27 messages 2004/04/30

[#98851] Lazy evaluation — Michael Neumann <mneumann@...>

Hi,

51 messages 2004/04/30
[#98871] Re: Lazy evaluation — Jean-Hugues ROBERT <jean_hugues_robert@...> 2004/04/30

At 03:45 01/05/2004 +0900, you wrote:

[#98875] Re: Lazy evaluation — Florian Gross <flgr@...> 2004/04/30

Jean-Hugues ROBERT wrote:

[#98896] Re: Lazy evaluation (evil) — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson) 2004/05/01

In article <c6uh31$gaq2i$1@ID-7468.news.uni-berlin.de>,

[#98913] Re: Lazy evaluation (evil) — Florian Gross <flgr@...> 2004/05/01

Phil Tomson wrote:

[#98917] Re: Lazy evaluation (evil) — ts <decoux@...> 2004/05/01

>>>>> "F" == Florian Gross <flgr@ccan.de> writes:

[#98919] Re: Lazy evaluation (evil) — Florian Gross <flgr@...> 2004/05/01

ts wrote:

Re: Semantics of Multiple Values

From: Jean-Hugues ROBERT <jean_hugues_robert@...>
Date: 2004-04-26 18:00:23 UTC
List: ruby-talk #98434
Multiple Values, Assignments and *Unifications*

This RCR is really nice.
The multiple assignment reminds me of Prolog's "unification" mechanism.
What about some further generalization ?

Why not a generalized "assign" operator ? Syntax:
   assign term1, term2 [, term3 [, ...]]
And of course an "unify" operator, Syntax:
   unify term1, term2 [, term3 [, ...]]

The difference between "unify" and "assign" is only when
some lvalue exists already. In that case, unify checks that
the previous value is equal to the new value. If not, no assignment
is done at all. Whereas "assign" always assigns.
Another difference is that "assign" is a short match (vs greedy for unify),
i.e. assign [a,b], [1,2,3] # 3 ignored.
i.e. assign [a,b,c], [1,2] # c ignored, not assigned anything, not even nil.

The operator = is kept as it is today,
   left-terms         = right_term would be equivalent to
   assign [left-terms], right-term

Result
   def mymethod(); return 1, [2], 3 end # Returns an Array
   a, b, c = mymethod         # => 3, a == 1, b == [2], c == 3
   assign [a,[b]], mymethod   # => 2, a == 1, b == 2, c unchanged
   assign [a,[],c], mymethod  # => false, [] instead of [2]
   p unify [a,[2],3], mymethod  # => true
   p unify r, mymethod        # => [1,[2],3]
   p unify [a,_,_], mymethod  # => 1, _ means "ignore me"

Add tail recursion optimization and you become functional.
I guess that with some callcc(), backtracking could come too.

A key benefit of this proposal is that it does not change
the current semantic of returned values. As a result it is
fully backward compatible with existing source code.

Would this solution solve the issue that your RCR solves ?

Jean-Hugues

BTW: It is often said that operator = is unusal because it does
not apply to an object. It could, we would need a BoundVariable
class, close to a Bindind, but referencing a specific variable.

At 21:24 26/04/2004 +0900, you wrote:
>Hi liszt,
>
>I read on Matz' Ruby2.0 slides that the semantics
>of Multiple Values will change.  Are these already
>decided?  Here are my ideas about the subject.
>I want to post it as a RCR, but I would like to have
>your opinion, or criticism first.  Also I am not
>very familiar with the RCR mechanism.
>It is already gotten to a quite large and complicated document.
>
>Thanks,
>Kristof
>
>TITLE
>Semantics of Multiple Values
>
>ABSTRACT
>This RCR describes a possible change in semantics of multiple
>values, by making them equivalent to argument passing.
>
>PROBLEM
>Currently Array's are used as multiple variables, which
>creates some ambiguous or unclear situations.
>i.e.: a, b, c = x #where x = [1, 2, 3]
>
>PROPOSAL
>
>* model
>=======
>
>This proposal favors the use of multiple values as inherent
>to the language, rather than a seperate data-type.  It is
>based on the observation that returning (multiple) values
>is similar to passing arguments.  This fact is even more clear
>when using continuations.
>
>for example:
>   x, y, z = mymethod(a, b, c)
>
>   def mymethod
>     return r1, r2, r3
>   end
>
>would mean this
>
>   def mymethod
>     callcc { |cc| cc.call(2, 3, 4) }
>   end
>
>   #(the following isn't legal syntax, but just to show the meaning)
>   mymethod(a, b, c) |x, y, z|
>
>basicly the expression:
>   x, y, z = <expression returning multiple arguments>
>will pass the multiple arguments to the given variables like
>in function argument passing
>
>The difference with argument passing in functions are the following:
>- no new scope is created, bound variable are just replaced
>- there is no strict checking if the number of arguments is
>   correct
>
>* new construct and method
>==========================
>
>- new construct:
>
>because Array's are now treated different from multiple arguments
>I would like to suggest the following construct
>*[a, b] = [1, 2]
>
>meaning the same as
>   a, b = *[1, 2]
>but usefull inside blocks that pass arrays
>
>- new method:
>
>(for now called values)
>method returning multiple values as an array
>
>def values(*params)
>   params
>end
>
>values(1, 2, 4) => [1, 2, 4]
>
>* variable assigment examples:
>==============================
>
>def multi
>   return 1, 2, 3
>end
>
>#multi may be replaced everywhere with (1, 2, 3)
>
>- variable asignment
>
>x = multi
>=> x == 1
>
>x, y = multi
>=> x == 1, y == 2
>
>x, y = multi, 3
>=> x == 1, y == 3
>
>(x, y), z = multi, 4
>=> x == 1, y == 2, z == 4
>
>(*[x, y], z), p = ([1, 2, 3], 4, 5), 6
>=> x == 1, y == 2, z == 4, p == 6
>
>* calling to functions
>======================
>
>I would recommend the following behavior:
>
>* when passing multiple values from one function to another,
>   spread the values in a relaxed way (don't check the number
>   of parameters).  When used with an explicit list, use
>   strict checking.
>
>     def func1(a) a end
>
>     func1(multi)
>     => 1
>
>     func1(1, 2, 3)
>     => error
>
>     def func2(*a) a end
>
>     func2(multi)
>     => [1, 2, 3]
>
>* when passing nested multiple variables just pass the first
>   element
>
>     def func3(a, b) [a, b] end
>
>     func3(multi, 4)
>     => [1, 4]
>
>     func3((1, 2), 4)
>     => [1, 4]
>     #or maybe signal error?  not sure about this one
>
>     func2(multi, 4)
>     => [1, 4]
>
>     func2(*values(multi), 4)
>     => [1, 2, 3, 4]
>
>* allow nested multiple values in method definitions
>
>     def func4(a, (b, c), d)
>       [a, b, c, d]
>     end
>
>     func4(1, 2, 3)
>     => [1, 2, nil, 3]
>     #maybe raise an error?
>
>     func4(1, (2, 3), 4)
>     => [1, 2, 3, 4]
>
>     func4(1, multi, 4)
>     => [1, 1, 2, 4]
>
>     def func5(a, *[b, c], d)
>
>     func5(1, 2, 3)
>     => [1, 2, nil, 3]
>
>     func5(1, [2, 3], 4)
>     => [1, 2, 3, 4]
>
>     func5(1, (2, 3), 4)
>     => [1, 2, nil, 4]
>     # (what will happen here is only the 2 from (2, 3) will be passed
>     # to func5, converted into an Array, and passed to b
>
>* Making argument passing and multiple assignment more similar
>==============================================================
>
>There may be other features that could be passed from arguments
>passing to multiple assignment, for example hash paramaters?
>Other may not be appropriate (i.e. blocks).

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