[#91151] Python 25 times as popular as Ruby !? — llothar@... (Lothar Scholz)

Hey,

112 messages 2004/02/01
[#91154] Re: Python 25 times as popular as Ruby !? — Dan Doel <djd15@...> 2004/02/01

Lothar Scholz wrote:

[#91197] ruby way to enumerate users — "Robert K." <anon@...>

Hi,

29 messages 2004/02/01
[#91200] Re: ruby way to enumerate users — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2004/02/01

[#91210] Re: ruby way to enumerate users — "Robert K." <anon@...> 2004/02/01

>

[#91213] GUI toolkit — Robert <bobx@...>

Has the community decided on a "standard" Ruby GUI toolkit? I know the

21 messages 2004/02/01

[#91225] Rubyx (linux distro created using ruby) - Bootstrap volunteers required — Andrew Walrond <andrew@...>

Rubyx is almost ready to go public :)

11 messages 2004/02/01
[#91229] Re: Rubyx (linux distro created using ruby) - Bootstrap volunteers required — "Zach Dennis" <zdennis@...> 2004/02/01

I'm here to be used and abused, ever since the post on ./ I've put aside a

[#91251] Method Reflection — Benedikt Huber <benjovi@...>

I'm quite new to ruby and was amazed by the powerful reflection

12 messages 2004/02/02

[#91269] test::unit caller stack feature request — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

A typical call stack of mine look like the following.

18 messages 2004/02/02

[#91274] Silly question — Brad <BCoish@...>

All:

27 messages 2004/02/02

[#91286] code that has been reached — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

Does there exists a tool for Ruby which records which parts

28 messages 2004/02/02

[#91307] Ruby Web Application Framework Roundup — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...>

I'm trying to decide which Ruby web application framework to use (if

64 messages 2004/02/02
[#91312] Re: Ruby Web Application Framework Roundup — Kirk Haines <khaines@...> 2004/02/02

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Gavin Kistner wrote:

[#91317] Re: Ruby Web Application Framework Roundup — Chris Morris <chrismo@...> 2004/02/02

Kirk Haines wrote:

[#91322] Re: Ruby Web Application Framework Roundup — Kirk Haines <khaines@...> 2004/02/02

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Chris Morris wrote:

[#91411] Re: Ruby Web Application Framework Roundup — gm@... (George Moschovitis) 2004/02/03

paul vudmaska <paul@vudmaska.com> wrote in message news:<401ECA9F.4070903@vudmaska.com>...

[#91310] OpenGL — Martin larsson <morg@...>

Hello

12 messages 2004/02/02

[#91315] role pattern lib for ruby — shasckaw <shasckaw@...>

Hello there,

46 messages 2004/02/02
[#91349] Re: role pattern lib for ruby — "Its Me" <itsme213@...> 2004/02/02

See Ruby Object Teams http://sourceforge.net/projects/robjectteam/

[#91358] Re: role pattern lib for ruby — shasckaw <shasckaw@...> 2004/02/03

Thansk for the link, it looks interesting but it is perhaps too complex

[#91542] Re: role pattern lib for ruby — shasckaw <shasckaw@...> 2004/02/04

shasckaw wrote:

[#91543] what is aspect-oriented s/w? (was Re: role pattern lib for ruby) — Sam Roberts <sroberts@...> 2004/02/04

Is there a description of it somewhere?

[#91570] Re: what is aspect-oriented s/w? (was Re: role pattern lib for ruby) — Pit Capitain <pit@...> 2004/02/04

Sam Roberts wrote about Object Teams:

[#91571] Re: what is aspect-oriented s/w? (was Re: role pattern lib for ruby) — Pit Capitain <pit@...> 2004/02/04

Pit Capitain wrote:

[#91573] Re: what is aspect-oriented s/w? (was Re: role pattern lib for ru by) — Sam Roberts <sroberts@...> 2004/02/04

Well, that was some good links, but they're all pretty hand-wavy about

[#91593] Re: what is aspect-oriented s/w? (was Re: role pattern lib for ru by) — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2004/02/05

I think I can give a reasonable overall picture of AOP.

[#91323] Questions about stdout/stderr combining (for Windows & Linux) — Patrick Bennett <patrick.bennett@...>

I'm working on a build tool, and I need to execute various

12 messages 2004/02/02

[#91364] shell scripts in background (with &) - why would they stop? — Ruby Baby <ruby@...>

Shouldn't a Ruby script keep running if someone uses the "&" at the end of the command?

15 messages 2004/02/03

[#91407] RCR draft for enhanced "case..when..else..end" syntax — Guoliang Cao <gcao@...>

Hi,

41 messages 2004/02/03
[#91417] Re: RCR draft for enhanced "case..when..else..end" syntax — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2004/02/03

[#91548] Re: RCR draft for enhanced "case..when..else..end" syntax — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2004/02/04

On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 00:45:07 +0900, Robert Klemme wrote:

[#91412] Image conversion ... — "Useko Netsumi" <usenets_remote_this@...>

Hi, is there any Ruby code snippets I can use to transform my photo to lower

29 messages 2004/02/03

[#91430] Arachno Ruby IDE — Yura Kloubakov <yura@...>

13 messages 2004/02/03

[#91435] ruby-serialport on Win32 — Stephan K舂per <Stephan.Kaemper@...>

Hi group,

19 messages 2004/02/03
[#91496] Re: ruby-serialport on Win32 — Mauricio Fern疣dez <batsman.geo@...> 2004/02/03

On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 02:15:04AM +0900, Stephan K舂per wrote:

[#91436] ARGV problems — tony summerfelt <snowzone5@...>

i seem to be having a problem with ARGV.

20 messages 2004/02/03

[#91488] eistein's riddle — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...>

18 messages 2004/02/03

[#91565] New Computer, version, confusion — Ronald E Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>

I just got a new computer and need to get stuff moved over to it.

14 messages 2004/02/04

[#91590] An assimilators guide to Python? — "Josef 'Jupp' SCHUGT" <jupp@...>

Hi!

24 messages 2004/02/05

[#91626] HTML Parsing? — Martin Hart <martin@...>

20 messages 2004/02/05

[#91633] YAPV (Yet Another Pickaxe Version) — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...>

As promised in another thread, I am working on a new web version of the

29 messages 2004/02/05

[#91641] Fw: [XP] A Job Posting : Extreme Programmer needed. — Pit Capitain <pit@...>

I found this today on the extreme programming mailing list:

13 messages 2004/02/05

[#91652] impersonating ruby — "Robert K." <anon@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2004/02/05

[#91665] Is there any way to mark an object as "always in use" (specifically, in a C extension)? — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...>

Some background ...

17 messages 2004/02/06

[#91680] mkfifo in Ruby 1.8? — "Basile Starynkevitch [news]" <basile-news@...>

Why is (the library call) mkfifo missing in Ruby 1.8? Is there a way

25 messages 2004/02/06
[#91735] Re: mkfifo in Ruby 1.8? — nobu.nokada@... 2004/02/07

Hi,

[#91737] pty.so: [BUG] Segmentation fault — Bob Gustafson <bobgus@...> 2004/02/07

I just installed ruby-1.8.1 and found this problem.

[#91743] Re: pty.so: [BUG] Segmentation fault — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2004/02/07

Hi,

[#91760] Re: pty.so: [BUG] Segmentation fault — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2004/02/07

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#91775] Re: pty.so: [BUG] Segmentation fault — nobu.nokada@... 2004/02/08

Hi,

[#91779] Re: pty.so: [BUG] Segmentation fault — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2004/02/08

nobu.nokada@softhome.net wrote:

[#91682] Is 1.8.2 imminent? And detecting Rubyx version — Andrew Walrond <andrew@...>

I'm holding off an 'official' release of Rubyx (ruby based linux distro)

18 messages 2004/02/06

[#91710] Email parsing — Rove Monteux <rove.monteux@...>

Hi there.

16 messages 2004/02/06

[#91777] I卒m too dumb to program — Lester_t_linpord@... (Lester T. Linpord)

Because I危 a moron.

13 messages 2004/02/08

[#92507] Opinion: Ruby + OpenOffice.org — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>

Hi guys,

17 messages 2004/02/09
[#92511] Re: Opinion: Ruby + OpenOffice.org — Bob Gustafson <bobgus@...> 2004/02/09

Check the latest issue of The Linux Journal. James Britt wrote an article

[#92631] ruby-dev summary: 22688-22826 — Masayoshi Takahashi <maki@...>

Hello all,

19 messages 2004/02/11

[#92649] (noob) cast string to array? — Koncept <user@...>

25 messages 2004/02/12

[#92692] ANN: Ruby Standard Library Documentation, v0.9.0 — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>

Hi folks,

12 messages 2004/02/12

[#92771] return from yielded block — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...>

13 messages 2004/02/13

[#92986] A good way to do a book? — bobx@... (Bob)

http://www.sourcebeat.com/index.jsp

18 messages 2004/02/16

[#93039] Builtins RDoc tarball? — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...>

Is there a tar.gz that corresponds to

24 messages 2004/02/17
[#93042] Re: Builtins RDoc tarball? — James Britt <jamesUNDERBARb@...> 2004/02/17

Gavin Kistner wrote:

[#93048] Re: Builtins RDoc tarball? — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...> 2004/02/17

James Britt wrote:

[#93074] Re: Builtins RDoc tarball? — James Britt <jamesUNDERBARb@...> 2004/02/17

Gavin Kistner wrote:

[#93078] Re: Builtins RDoc tarball? — James Britt <jamesUNDERBARb@...> 2004/02/18

James Britt wrote:

[#93113] Re: Builtins RDoc tarball? — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...> 2004/02/18

James Britt wrote:

[#93118] Re: Builtins RDoc tarball? — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2004/02/18

[#93055] Why's (Poignant) Guide to Ruby, Chapters 1 to 3 — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...>

Greetings. Man, I'm giddy about this announcement. My blood is visibly

24 messages 2004/02/17

[#93104] how to raise warning? — Szymon Drejewicz <drejewic@...>

How to raise warning?

20 messages 2004/02/18

[#93162] speed benchmarks comparing Ruby to Py/Perl/PHP/etc? — Ruby Baby <ruby@...>

I know Ruby wasn't created to make a fast-running language.

12 messages 2004/02/19

[#93180] Ruby to Parrot compiler — Mark <msparshatt@...>

Is there anyone working on a compiler for compiling Ruby code to work on

28 messages 2004/02/19

[#93193] proposal: let kind_of take more arguments — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

It just hit me.. why not let kind_of? take more arguments?

21 messages 2004/02/20

[#93243] Instance variable capitalization — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

I have a question about how ruby-like is it to capitalize

12 messages 2004/02/20

[#93260] Introducing myself and my interest in ruby — Larry Felton Johnson <larryj@...>

This is just a note introducing myself to the list, and

75 messages 2004/02/20
[#93855] Re: Introducing myself and my interest in ruby — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...1.vip.ukl.yahoo.com> 2004/02/27

il Sat, 28 Feb 2004 02:32:13 +0900, Mark Hubbart <discord@mac.com> ha

[#93857] Re: Introducing myself and my interest in ruby — Mark Hubbart <discord@...> 2004/02/27

On Feb 27, 2004, at 11:19 AM, gabriele renzi wrote:

[#93858] Re: Introducing myself and my interest in ruby — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2004/02/27

Mark Hubbart wrote:

[#93874] Ruby Compiler [was Introducing myself and my interest in ruby] — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2004/02/28

Hal Fulton wrote:

[#93936] FreeRIDE 0.6.0-1 -- a Windows Update — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2004/02/29

Until now, the FreeRIDE debugger did not work under windows. We now have a

[#93298] Puzzling... — "Ruby Tuesday" <rubytuezdayz@...>

Hi, I have these 2 files, one work and the other does not.

41 messages 2004/02/20

[#93321] Calling JDBC from with Ruby — Michael Davis <mdavis@...>

I am building a web application for a client in Ruby. The application is working but now needs to access data using JDBC. My client is requiring both ODBC (for Windows) and JDBC (for Sun) access to data. I am looking for an example of how to use JDBC from within Ruby. I have looked at Jruby but would prefer to write my own code rather than rely on a third party add-on that is beta, especially one that has not been updated in a while. If I write the data access portion in Java that uses JDBC, can I then write a Java wrapper that would allow Ruby to call the Java methods? Are there any examples available showing how to call a Java method from within Ruby similar to the C interface to Ruby?

21 messages 2004/02/21

[#93374] Tycho - A PIM under development — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

Hello, all.

17 messages 2004/02/21

[#93425] ANN: PLD RPMs of rake and ruby-dbi and a plea to packagers — Aredridel <aredridel@...>

I've just created packages (including .spec files to be used as

10 messages 2004/02/22

[#93459] Appropriate use of camelCase — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...>

Following the 'instance variable capitalization' thread, I'm convinced

46 messages 2004/02/23
[#93516] Re: Appropriate use of camelCase — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/02/24

Hi --

[#93523] Re: Appropriate use of camelCase — "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nahi@...> 2004/02/24

Chunky bacon!

[#93526] Re: Appropriate use of camelCase — Kirk Haines <khaines@...> 2004/02/24

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, NAKAMURA, Hiroshi wrote:

[#93464] Need examples comparing Ruby to Python — David MacQuigg <dmq@...>

I'm putting together a web page comparing Ruby to Python, and I need

35 messages 2004/02/23

[#93485] Ruby-gtk ? — Martin Hart <martin@...>

16 messages 2004/02/23

[#93632] proposal: debug keyword — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

A debug keyword which enables debug-output for a specific method.

13 messages 2004/02/25

[#93654] Operators +, += and = in Ruby 2 — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...>

12 messages 2004/02/25

[#93732] Why don't $global and @instance variables need declaration? — David Garamond <lists@...6.isreserved.com>

Sorry if the answer is obvious, but I can't find a satisfactory or more

10 messages 2004/02/26

[#93734] language contest ==> unit test framework from lisp to ruby — Piergiuliano Bossi <p_bossi_AGAINST_SPAM@...>

A few days ago I made a post (rubytalk:92963 ==> [2]) about the

13 messages 2004/02/26

[#93865] UnboundMethod#hash apparently broken in 1.8.1 — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...>

18 messages 2004/02/27

Re: New paradigm of introspective OO development

From: "H. S. Lahman" <h.lahman@...>
Date: 2004-02-25 20:59:49 UTC
List: ruby-talk #93697
Responding to Thirsk...

> ==  Introduction to DAF ==
> 
>   I am interested in the next generation of approaches to software
> development.  Over the last decades, there has been an obvious shift
> in how our most complex software is created.  We started off with
> punch cards (or so I am told -- I was born in 1981 so apologies if my
> history is off or my ideas are naive), punching in a stream of ones
> and zeros.  The code contained only 0 and 1 and everything else was
> abstracted in the mind of the programmer, even the machine-level
> instructions.  Then we moved to assembly language, where code more or
> less explicitly contains the machine-level instructions, while the
> meaning of variables, and the control structures were still largely
> abstract.  From there, with the advent of C, control structures and
> variable names are now in the code.  With C++, objects are in the
> code, while system-level architecture, design patterns, and object
> interoperability are still mostly abstracted.

FYI, paper tape preceded punched cards and plug boards preceded paper 
tape.  By the time punched cards arrived on the scene there had already 
been a lot of automation in the form of loaders, linkers, and Assembly 
compilers.  In the Plug Board Era software was quite literally an 
extension of the hardware.  One "wrote" a program by using a jumper to a 
power rail to selectively turn on/off the grid in triode tubes.

[Doing that and changing vacuum tubes was such a character building 
experience that I didn't do software again for a decade when 3GLs and 
solid state computers were commonplace (late '60s). B-)]

> 
>   The general trend is a move towards more intelligent code -- from
> 1's and 0's, to objects with explicit inheritance, interfaces, and
> data members.  Each time more abstractions are made explicit in the
> code, the code becomes easier to implement, test, and reuse.

True.  There has been a steady migration from right to left along the 
continuum:

Requirements -> Analysis -> Design -> 3GL code -> Assembly -> Executable

Today everything to the right of 3GL code is fully automated unless one 
is doing embedded systems or developing compilers.  But it took nearly 
three decades to get there.  Since the '70s things have migrated further 
in specialized niches like RAD IDEs for client/server applications.  (In 
at least once <rather narrow> arena, ATLAS (IEEE 716), a text 
requirements specification language is routinely compiled directly into 
an executable.)

However,...



> 
>   I am interested in exploring the next step (perhaps even determining
> the nature of or actualizing the final step), of moving more
> abstractions to code, making the code more intelligent, and easier to
> develop, as the developer needs to carry less abstraction in his/her
> own head.

In the late '80s the technology arrived to do exactly what you want to 
do.  It is called translation-based development.  Tools have existed for 
nearly two decades that will do 100% code generation from an OOA model. 
  Today all such tools employ UML as the notation and OMG's current MDA 
effort is providing much needed standardization.  You might want to 
check out the way MDA employs meta models to provide mapping between 
different model notations in the normal stages of software development.

In addition, you might want to check out these tool sites for examples 
of full code generators from OOA models:

ARTiSAN           www.artisansw.com
Bridgepoint       www.projtech.com
ObjectBench       www.ses.com
Rhapsody          www.i-logix.com
Rose/RT           www.rational.com
System Architect  www.popkin.com
xtUML             www.kc.com

In addition Pathfinder (www.pathfindermda.com) provides code generation 
rear ends for several UML drawing tools, including Rose.  These are just 
the vendors that have been around for a decade or so.  Since the MDA 
initiative was launched translation tool vendors are popping up like 
tulips.  The Bridgepoint, xtUML, and Pathfinder sites all have several 
white papers on translation available (albeit mostly at the Executive 
Summary level).

[Some are not pure translation vendors because they use an augmented 3GL 
as an behavior description language rather than an abstract action 
language (UML v1.5).  Also, some cater to both the translation and 
round-trip markets so some foraging of their web sites to find the 
translation stuff may be necessary.]

Your approach seems interesting based upon the summary.  Unforunately 
there wasn't enough in the summary to indicate how attractive it would 
be versus the existing technologies for translation.  My concern is that 
you may be reinventing a lot of work that has already been done.  That 
is, the "next step" has already been taken.


*************
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not be cured by a capful of Drano.

H. S. Lahman
hsl@pathfindermda.com
Pathfinder Solutions  -- Put MDA to Work
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