[#91151] Python 25 times as popular as Ruby !? — llothar@... (Lothar Scholz)

Hey,

112 messages 2004/02/01
[#91154] Re: Python 25 times as popular as Ruby !? — Dan Doel <djd15@...> 2004/02/01

Lothar Scholz wrote:

[#91197] ruby way to enumerate users — "Robert K." <anon@...>

Hi,

29 messages 2004/02/01
[#91200] Re: ruby way to enumerate users — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2004/02/01

[#91210] Re: ruby way to enumerate users — "Robert K." <anon@...> 2004/02/01

>

[#91213] GUI toolkit — Robert <bobx@...>

Has the community decided on a "standard" Ruby GUI toolkit? I know the

21 messages 2004/02/01

[#91225] Rubyx (linux distro created using ruby) - Bootstrap volunteers required — Andrew Walrond <andrew@...>

Rubyx is almost ready to go public :)

11 messages 2004/02/01
[#91229] Re: Rubyx (linux distro created using ruby) - Bootstrap volunteers required — "Zach Dennis" <zdennis@...> 2004/02/01

I'm here to be used and abused, ever since the post on ./ I've put aside a

[#91251] Method Reflection — Benedikt Huber <benjovi@...>

I'm quite new to ruby and was amazed by the powerful reflection

12 messages 2004/02/02

[#91269] test::unit caller stack feature request — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

A typical call stack of mine look like the following.

18 messages 2004/02/02

[#91274] Silly question — Brad <BCoish@...>

All:

27 messages 2004/02/02

[#91286] code that has been reached — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

Does there exists a tool for Ruby which records which parts

28 messages 2004/02/02

[#91307] Ruby Web Application Framework Roundup — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...>

I'm trying to decide which Ruby web application framework to use (if

64 messages 2004/02/02
[#91312] Re: Ruby Web Application Framework Roundup — Kirk Haines <khaines@...> 2004/02/02

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Gavin Kistner wrote:

[#91317] Re: Ruby Web Application Framework Roundup — Chris Morris <chrismo@...> 2004/02/02

Kirk Haines wrote:

[#91322] Re: Ruby Web Application Framework Roundup — Kirk Haines <khaines@...> 2004/02/02

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Chris Morris wrote:

[#91411] Re: Ruby Web Application Framework Roundup — gm@... (George Moschovitis) 2004/02/03

paul vudmaska <paul@vudmaska.com> wrote in message news:<401ECA9F.4070903@vudmaska.com>...

[#91310] OpenGL — Martin larsson <morg@...>

Hello

12 messages 2004/02/02

[#91315] role pattern lib for ruby — shasckaw <shasckaw@...>

Hello there,

46 messages 2004/02/02
[#91349] Re: role pattern lib for ruby — "Its Me" <itsme213@...> 2004/02/02

See Ruby Object Teams http://sourceforge.net/projects/robjectteam/

[#91358] Re: role pattern lib for ruby — shasckaw <shasckaw@...> 2004/02/03

Thansk for the link, it looks interesting but it is perhaps too complex

[#91542] Re: role pattern lib for ruby — shasckaw <shasckaw@...> 2004/02/04

shasckaw wrote:

[#91543] what is aspect-oriented s/w? (was Re: role pattern lib for ruby) — Sam Roberts <sroberts@...> 2004/02/04

Is there a description of it somewhere?

[#91570] Re: what is aspect-oriented s/w? (was Re: role pattern lib for ruby) — Pit Capitain <pit@...> 2004/02/04

Sam Roberts wrote about Object Teams:

[#91571] Re: what is aspect-oriented s/w? (was Re: role pattern lib for ruby) — Pit Capitain <pit@...> 2004/02/04

Pit Capitain wrote:

[#91573] Re: what is aspect-oriented s/w? (was Re: role pattern lib for ru by) — Sam Roberts <sroberts@...> 2004/02/04

Well, that was some good links, but they're all pretty hand-wavy about

[#91593] Re: what is aspect-oriented s/w? (was Re: role pattern lib for ru by) — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2004/02/05

I think I can give a reasonable overall picture of AOP.

[#91323] Questions about stdout/stderr combining (for Windows & Linux) — Patrick Bennett <patrick.bennett@...>

I'm working on a build tool, and I need to execute various

12 messages 2004/02/02

[#91364] shell scripts in background (with &) - why would they stop? — Ruby Baby <ruby@...>

Shouldn't a Ruby script keep running if someone uses the "&" at the end of the command?

15 messages 2004/02/03

[#91407] RCR draft for enhanced "case..when..else..end" syntax — Guoliang Cao <gcao@...>

Hi,

41 messages 2004/02/03
[#91417] Re: RCR draft for enhanced "case..when..else..end" syntax — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2004/02/03

[#91548] Re: RCR draft for enhanced "case..when..else..end" syntax — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2004/02/04

On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 00:45:07 +0900, Robert Klemme wrote:

[#91412] Image conversion ... — "Useko Netsumi" <usenets_remote_this@...>

Hi, is there any Ruby code snippets I can use to transform my photo to lower

29 messages 2004/02/03

[#91430] Arachno Ruby IDE — Yura Kloubakov <yura@...>

13 messages 2004/02/03

[#91435] ruby-serialport on Win32 — Stephan K舂per <Stephan.Kaemper@...>

Hi group,

19 messages 2004/02/03
[#91496] Re: ruby-serialport on Win32 — Mauricio Fern疣dez <batsman.geo@...> 2004/02/03

On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 02:15:04AM +0900, Stephan K舂per wrote:

[#91436] ARGV problems — tony summerfelt <snowzone5@...>

i seem to be having a problem with ARGV.

20 messages 2004/02/03

[#91488] eistein's riddle — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...>

18 messages 2004/02/03

[#91565] New Computer, version, confusion — Ronald E Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>

I just got a new computer and need to get stuff moved over to it.

14 messages 2004/02/04

[#91590] An assimilators guide to Python? — "Josef 'Jupp' SCHUGT" <jupp@...>

Hi!

24 messages 2004/02/05

[#91626] HTML Parsing? — Martin Hart <martin@...>

20 messages 2004/02/05

[#91633] YAPV (Yet Another Pickaxe Version) — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...>

As promised in another thread, I am working on a new web version of the

29 messages 2004/02/05

[#91641] Fw: [XP] A Job Posting : Extreme Programmer needed. — Pit Capitain <pit@...>

I found this today on the extreme programming mailing list:

13 messages 2004/02/05

[#91652] impersonating ruby — "Robert K." <anon@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2004/02/05

[#91665] Is there any way to mark an object as "always in use" (specifically, in a C extension)? — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...>

Some background ...

17 messages 2004/02/06

[#91680] mkfifo in Ruby 1.8? — "Basile Starynkevitch [news]" <basile-news@...>

Why is (the library call) mkfifo missing in Ruby 1.8? Is there a way

25 messages 2004/02/06
[#91735] Re: mkfifo in Ruby 1.8? — nobu.nokada@... 2004/02/07

Hi,

[#91737] pty.so: [BUG] Segmentation fault — Bob Gustafson <bobgus@...> 2004/02/07

I just installed ruby-1.8.1 and found this problem.

[#91743] Re: pty.so: [BUG] Segmentation fault — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2004/02/07

Hi,

[#91760] Re: pty.so: [BUG] Segmentation fault — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2004/02/07

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#91775] Re: pty.so: [BUG] Segmentation fault — nobu.nokada@... 2004/02/08

Hi,

[#91779] Re: pty.so: [BUG] Segmentation fault — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2004/02/08

nobu.nokada@softhome.net wrote:

[#91682] Is 1.8.2 imminent? And detecting Rubyx version — Andrew Walrond <andrew@...>

I'm holding off an 'official' release of Rubyx (ruby based linux distro)

18 messages 2004/02/06

[#91710] Email parsing — Rove Monteux <rove.monteux@...>

Hi there.

16 messages 2004/02/06

[#91777] I卒m too dumb to program — Lester_t_linpord@... (Lester T. Linpord)

Because I危 a moron.

13 messages 2004/02/08

[#92507] Opinion: Ruby + OpenOffice.org — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>

Hi guys,

17 messages 2004/02/09
[#92511] Re: Opinion: Ruby + OpenOffice.org — Bob Gustafson <bobgus@...> 2004/02/09

Check the latest issue of The Linux Journal. James Britt wrote an article

[#92631] ruby-dev summary: 22688-22826 — Masayoshi Takahashi <maki@...>

Hello all,

19 messages 2004/02/11

[#92649] (noob) cast string to array? — Koncept <user@...>

25 messages 2004/02/12

[#92692] ANN: Ruby Standard Library Documentation, v0.9.0 — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>

Hi folks,

12 messages 2004/02/12

[#92771] return from yielded block — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...>

13 messages 2004/02/13

[#92986] A good way to do a book? — bobx@... (Bob)

http://www.sourcebeat.com/index.jsp

18 messages 2004/02/16

[#93039] Builtins RDoc tarball? — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...>

Is there a tar.gz that corresponds to

24 messages 2004/02/17
[#93042] Re: Builtins RDoc tarball? — James Britt <jamesUNDERBARb@...> 2004/02/17

Gavin Kistner wrote:

[#93048] Re: Builtins RDoc tarball? — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...> 2004/02/17

James Britt wrote:

[#93074] Re: Builtins RDoc tarball? — James Britt <jamesUNDERBARb@...> 2004/02/17

Gavin Kistner wrote:

[#93078] Re: Builtins RDoc tarball? — James Britt <jamesUNDERBARb@...> 2004/02/18

James Britt wrote:

[#93113] Re: Builtins RDoc tarball? — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...> 2004/02/18

James Britt wrote:

[#93118] Re: Builtins RDoc tarball? — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2004/02/18

[#93055] Why's (Poignant) Guide to Ruby, Chapters 1 to 3 — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...>

Greetings. Man, I'm giddy about this announcement. My blood is visibly

24 messages 2004/02/17

[#93104] how to raise warning? — Szymon Drejewicz <drejewic@...>

How to raise warning?

20 messages 2004/02/18

[#93162] speed benchmarks comparing Ruby to Py/Perl/PHP/etc? — Ruby Baby <ruby@...>

I know Ruby wasn't created to make a fast-running language.

12 messages 2004/02/19

[#93180] Ruby to Parrot compiler — Mark <msparshatt@...>

Is there anyone working on a compiler for compiling Ruby code to work on

28 messages 2004/02/19

[#93193] proposal: let kind_of take more arguments — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

It just hit me.. why not let kind_of? take more arguments?

21 messages 2004/02/20

[#93243] Instance variable capitalization — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

I have a question about how ruby-like is it to capitalize

12 messages 2004/02/20

[#93260] Introducing myself and my interest in ruby — Larry Felton Johnson <larryj@...>

This is just a note introducing myself to the list, and

75 messages 2004/02/20
[#93855] Re: Introducing myself and my interest in ruby — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...1.vip.ukl.yahoo.com> 2004/02/27

il Sat, 28 Feb 2004 02:32:13 +0900, Mark Hubbart <discord@mac.com> ha

[#93857] Re: Introducing myself and my interest in ruby — Mark Hubbart <discord@...> 2004/02/27

On Feb 27, 2004, at 11:19 AM, gabriele renzi wrote:

[#93858] Re: Introducing myself and my interest in ruby — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2004/02/27

Mark Hubbart wrote:

[#93874] Ruby Compiler [was Introducing myself and my interest in ruby] — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2004/02/28

Hal Fulton wrote:

[#93936] FreeRIDE 0.6.0-1 -- a Windows Update — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2004/02/29

Until now, the FreeRIDE debugger did not work under windows. We now have a

[#93298] Puzzling... — "Ruby Tuesday" <rubytuezdayz@...>

Hi, I have these 2 files, one work and the other does not.

41 messages 2004/02/20

[#93321] Calling JDBC from with Ruby — Michael Davis <mdavis@...>

I am building a web application for a client in Ruby. The application is working but now needs to access data using JDBC. My client is requiring both ODBC (for Windows) and JDBC (for Sun) access to data. I am looking for an example of how to use JDBC from within Ruby. I have looked at Jruby but would prefer to write my own code rather than rely on a third party add-on that is beta, especially one that has not been updated in a while. If I write the data access portion in Java that uses JDBC, can I then write a Java wrapper that would allow Ruby to call the Java methods? Are there any examples available showing how to call a Java method from within Ruby similar to the C interface to Ruby?

21 messages 2004/02/21

[#93374] Tycho - A PIM under development — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

Hello, all.

17 messages 2004/02/21

[#93425] ANN: PLD RPMs of rake and ruby-dbi and a plea to packagers — Aredridel <aredridel@...>

I've just created packages (including .spec files to be used as

10 messages 2004/02/22

[#93459] Appropriate use of camelCase — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...>

Following the 'instance variable capitalization' thread, I'm convinced

46 messages 2004/02/23
[#93516] Re: Appropriate use of camelCase — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/02/24

Hi --

[#93523] Re: Appropriate use of camelCase — "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nahi@...> 2004/02/24

Chunky bacon!

[#93526] Re: Appropriate use of camelCase — Kirk Haines <khaines@...> 2004/02/24

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, NAKAMURA, Hiroshi wrote:

[#93464] Need examples comparing Ruby to Python — David MacQuigg <dmq@...>

I'm putting together a web page comparing Ruby to Python, and I need

35 messages 2004/02/23

[#93485] Ruby-gtk ? — Martin Hart <martin@...>

16 messages 2004/02/23

[#93632] proposal: debug keyword — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

A debug keyword which enables debug-output for a specific method.

13 messages 2004/02/25

[#93654] Operators +, += and = in Ruby 2 — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...>

12 messages 2004/02/25

[#93732] Why don't $global and @instance variables need declaration? — David Garamond <lists@...6.isreserved.com>

Sorry if the answer is obvious, but I can't find a satisfactory or more

10 messages 2004/02/26

[#93734] language contest ==> unit test framework from lisp to ruby — Piergiuliano Bossi <p_bossi_AGAINST_SPAM@...>

A few days ago I made a post (rubytalk:92963 ==> [2]) about the

13 messages 2004/02/26

[#93865] UnboundMethod#hash apparently broken in 1.8.1 — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...>

18 messages 2004/02/27

Re: Python 25 times as popular as Ruby !?

From: Dan Doel <djd15@...>
Date: 2004-02-01 19:59:33 UTC
List: ruby-talk #91211
Lothar Scholz wrote:

>As the only one who uses GNU Eiffel for a program > 200.000 LOC i must
>say that eiffel is dead. Two vendors stopped there support (Visual
>Eiffel, Halstenbach), GNU Eiffel is becomming more and more unuseable
>for real development (everything after the great renaming SmallEiffel
>=> Smarteiffel) and ISE raised there prices by a factor of 3
>(it's now 5000 USD for a not very good system).
>  
>
On my Windows partition, I have the free student/trial version of a
commercial Eiffel development environment installed. They seem to think
Eiffel isn't dead.

>Smalltalk is also dying or better becaming less and less attrictive.
>  
>
Smalltalk is still out there, though. I'm sure Squeak will be around for
many years teaching interested parties what real object oriented languages
should be like. Even if it's not used directly, I hope Smalltalk will be
influencing the latest generation of "buzzword compliant" languages
for years to come.

>Same as lisp where only Franz Lisp is still competitive in some areas.
>  
>
You should go tell the people at comp.lang.lisp, c.l.scheme and
c.l.functional that Lisp is dead. :)

>No but the spirit of people hacking a library should maybe move from a
>"it's good enough for me" attitude to a "i want good quality" way. For
>most libraries the additional overhead won't be so much. But this is
>still a real problem.
>  
>
I'm sure the people working on code at RubyForge and the like -- that is,
the people writing code/libraries for public consumption -- already have
this mentality.

>Like much other posting on this newsgroup, for example about indenting
>styles. I posted it because i think a few people didn't recognize the
>real world situtation. And this is always not good. I'm just bored
>about threads that everything is fine with ruby and working well.
>  
>
I didn't mean that as a personal attack against you (we get lots of
posts here that say such things), so I hope you didn't take offense.
However, saying that Ruby needs Python indenting or C++ braces isn't
the real world situation. It may be the real world situation that
Python is more popular than Ruby, but how popular was Python 5 years
ago? It's just been exposed to more of the world for longer. Ruby
will get there when it gets there. It _is_ doing fine. Matz is working
to make it better with Rite, and people discussing here is helping
him along (I hope).

Not all threads here are lovey dovey. There's debate about which
directions Ruby should go. But merely posting "Python is way more
popular" isn't constructive toward making Ruby better.

In any case, we should wrap this discussion up soon. I'd rather not
see it turn into one of the 300+ message threads with lots of flame
wars (which it has a high potential of doing).

- Dan

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