[#91151] Python 25 times as popular as Ruby !? — llothar@... (Lothar Scholz)

Hey,

112 messages 2004/02/01
[#91154] Re: Python 25 times as popular as Ruby !? — Dan Doel <djd15@...> 2004/02/01

Lothar Scholz wrote:

[#91197] ruby way to enumerate users — "Robert K." <anon@...>

Hi,

29 messages 2004/02/01
[#91200] Re: ruby way to enumerate users — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2004/02/01

[#91210] Re: ruby way to enumerate users — "Robert K." <anon@...> 2004/02/01

>

[#91213] GUI toolkit — Robert <bobx@...>

Has the community decided on a "standard" Ruby GUI toolkit? I know the

21 messages 2004/02/01

[#91225] Rubyx (linux distro created using ruby) - Bootstrap volunteers required — Andrew Walrond <andrew@...>

Rubyx is almost ready to go public :)

11 messages 2004/02/01
[#91229] Re: Rubyx (linux distro created using ruby) - Bootstrap volunteers required — "Zach Dennis" <zdennis@...> 2004/02/01

I'm here to be used and abused, ever since the post on ./ I've put aside a

[#91251] Method Reflection — Benedikt Huber <benjovi@...>

I'm quite new to ruby and was amazed by the powerful reflection

12 messages 2004/02/02

[#91269] test::unit caller stack feature request — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

A typical call stack of mine look like the following.

18 messages 2004/02/02

[#91274] Silly question — Brad <BCoish@...>

All:

27 messages 2004/02/02

[#91286] code that has been reached — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

Does there exists a tool for Ruby which records which parts

28 messages 2004/02/02

[#91307] Ruby Web Application Framework Roundup — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...>

I'm trying to decide which Ruby web application framework to use (if

64 messages 2004/02/02
[#91312] Re: Ruby Web Application Framework Roundup — Kirk Haines <khaines@...> 2004/02/02

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Gavin Kistner wrote:

[#91317] Re: Ruby Web Application Framework Roundup — Chris Morris <chrismo@...> 2004/02/02

Kirk Haines wrote:

[#91322] Re: Ruby Web Application Framework Roundup — Kirk Haines <khaines@...> 2004/02/02

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Chris Morris wrote:

[#91411] Re: Ruby Web Application Framework Roundup — gm@... (George Moschovitis) 2004/02/03

paul vudmaska <paul@vudmaska.com> wrote in message news:<401ECA9F.4070903@vudmaska.com>...

[#91310] OpenGL — Martin larsson <morg@...>

Hello

12 messages 2004/02/02

[#91315] role pattern lib for ruby — shasckaw <shasckaw@...>

Hello there,

46 messages 2004/02/02
[#91349] Re: role pattern lib for ruby — "Its Me" <itsme213@...> 2004/02/02

See Ruby Object Teams http://sourceforge.net/projects/robjectteam/

[#91358] Re: role pattern lib for ruby — shasckaw <shasckaw@...> 2004/02/03

Thansk for the link, it looks interesting but it is perhaps too complex

[#91542] Re: role pattern lib for ruby — shasckaw <shasckaw@...> 2004/02/04

shasckaw wrote:

[#91543] what is aspect-oriented s/w? (was Re: role pattern lib for ruby) — Sam Roberts <sroberts@...> 2004/02/04

Is there a description of it somewhere?

[#91570] Re: what is aspect-oriented s/w? (was Re: role pattern lib for ruby) — Pit Capitain <pit@...> 2004/02/04

Sam Roberts wrote about Object Teams:

[#91571] Re: what is aspect-oriented s/w? (was Re: role pattern lib for ruby) — Pit Capitain <pit@...> 2004/02/04

Pit Capitain wrote:

[#91573] Re: what is aspect-oriented s/w? (was Re: role pattern lib for ru by) — Sam Roberts <sroberts@...> 2004/02/04

Well, that was some good links, but they're all pretty hand-wavy about

[#91593] Re: what is aspect-oriented s/w? (was Re: role pattern lib for ru by) — "T. Onoma" <transami@...> 2004/02/05

I think I can give a reasonable overall picture of AOP.

[#91323] Questions about stdout/stderr combining (for Windows & Linux) — Patrick Bennett <patrick.bennett@...>

I'm working on a build tool, and I need to execute various

12 messages 2004/02/02

[#91364] shell scripts in background (with &) - why would they stop? — Ruby Baby <ruby@...>

Shouldn't a Ruby script keep running if someone uses the "&" at the end of the command?

15 messages 2004/02/03

[#91407] RCR draft for enhanced "case..when..else..end" syntax — Guoliang Cao <gcao@...>

Hi,

41 messages 2004/02/03
[#91417] Re: RCR draft for enhanced "case..when..else..end" syntax — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2004/02/03

[#91548] Re: RCR draft for enhanced "case..when..else..end" syntax — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2004/02/04

On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 00:45:07 +0900, Robert Klemme wrote:

[#91412] Image conversion ... — "Useko Netsumi" <usenets_remote_this@...>

Hi, is there any Ruby code snippets I can use to transform my photo to lower

29 messages 2004/02/03

[#91430] Arachno Ruby IDE — Yura Kloubakov <yura@...>

13 messages 2004/02/03

[#91435] ruby-serialport on Win32 — Stephan K舂per <Stephan.Kaemper@...>

Hi group,

19 messages 2004/02/03
[#91496] Re: ruby-serialport on Win32 — Mauricio Fern疣dez <batsman.geo@...> 2004/02/03

On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 02:15:04AM +0900, Stephan K舂per wrote:

[#91436] ARGV problems — tony summerfelt <snowzone5@...>

i seem to be having a problem with ARGV.

20 messages 2004/02/03

[#91488] eistein's riddle — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...>

18 messages 2004/02/03

[#91565] New Computer, version, confusion — Ronald E Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>

I just got a new computer and need to get stuff moved over to it.

14 messages 2004/02/04

[#91590] An assimilators guide to Python? — "Josef 'Jupp' SCHUGT" <jupp@...>

Hi!

24 messages 2004/02/05

[#91626] HTML Parsing? — Martin Hart <martin@...>

20 messages 2004/02/05

[#91633] YAPV (Yet Another Pickaxe Version) — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...>

As promised in another thread, I am working on a new web version of the

29 messages 2004/02/05

[#91641] Fw: [XP] A Job Posting : Extreme Programmer needed. — Pit Capitain <pit@...>

I found this today on the extreme programming mailing list:

13 messages 2004/02/05

[#91652] impersonating ruby — "Robert K." <anon@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2004/02/05

[#91665] Is there any way to mark an object as "always in use" (specifically, in a C extension)? — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...>

Some background ...

17 messages 2004/02/06

[#91680] mkfifo in Ruby 1.8? — "Basile Starynkevitch [news]" <basile-news@...>

Why is (the library call) mkfifo missing in Ruby 1.8? Is there a way

25 messages 2004/02/06
[#91735] Re: mkfifo in Ruby 1.8? — nobu.nokada@... 2004/02/07

Hi,

[#91737] pty.so: [BUG] Segmentation fault — Bob Gustafson <bobgus@...> 2004/02/07

I just installed ruby-1.8.1 and found this problem.

[#91743] Re: pty.so: [BUG] Segmentation fault — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2004/02/07

Hi,

[#91760] Re: pty.so: [BUG] Segmentation fault — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2004/02/07

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#91775] Re: pty.so: [BUG] Segmentation fault — nobu.nokada@... 2004/02/08

Hi,

[#91779] Re: pty.so: [BUG] Segmentation fault — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2004/02/08

nobu.nokada@softhome.net wrote:

[#91682] Is 1.8.2 imminent? And detecting Rubyx version — Andrew Walrond <andrew@...>

I'm holding off an 'official' release of Rubyx (ruby based linux distro)

18 messages 2004/02/06

[#91710] Email parsing — Rove Monteux <rove.monteux@...>

Hi there.

16 messages 2004/02/06

[#91777] I卒m too dumb to program — Lester_t_linpord@... (Lester T. Linpord)

Because I危 a moron.

13 messages 2004/02/08

[#92507] Opinion: Ruby + OpenOffice.org — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>

Hi guys,

17 messages 2004/02/09
[#92511] Re: Opinion: Ruby + OpenOffice.org — Bob Gustafson <bobgus@...> 2004/02/09

Check the latest issue of The Linux Journal. James Britt wrote an article

[#92631] ruby-dev summary: 22688-22826 — Masayoshi Takahashi <maki@...>

Hello all,

19 messages 2004/02/11

[#92649] (noob) cast string to array? — Koncept <user@...>

25 messages 2004/02/12

[#92692] ANN: Ruby Standard Library Documentation, v0.9.0 — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>

Hi folks,

12 messages 2004/02/12

[#92771] return from yielded block — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...>

13 messages 2004/02/13

[#92986] A good way to do a book? — bobx@... (Bob)

http://www.sourcebeat.com/index.jsp

18 messages 2004/02/16

[#93039] Builtins RDoc tarball? — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...>

Is there a tar.gz that corresponds to

24 messages 2004/02/17
[#93042] Re: Builtins RDoc tarball? — James Britt <jamesUNDERBARb@...> 2004/02/17

Gavin Kistner wrote:

[#93048] Re: Builtins RDoc tarball? — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...> 2004/02/17

James Britt wrote:

[#93074] Re: Builtins RDoc tarball? — James Britt <jamesUNDERBARb@...> 2004/02/17

Gavin Kistner wrote:

[#93078] Re: Builtins RDoc tarball? — James Britt <jamesUNDERBARb@...> 2004/02/18

James Britt wrote:

[#93113] Re: Builtins RDoc tarball? — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...> 2004/02/18

James Britt wrote:

[#93118] Re: Builtins RDoc tarball? — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2004/02/18

[#93055] Why's (Poignant) Guide to Ruby, Chapters 1 to 3 — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...>

Greetings. Man, I'm giddy about this announcement. My blood is visibly

24 messages 2004/02/17

[#93104] how to raise warning? — Szymon Drejewicz <drejewic@...>

How to raise warning?

20 messages 2004/02/18

[#93162] speed benchmarks comparing Ruby to Py/Perl/PHP/etc? — Ruby Baby <ruby@...>

I know Ruby wasn't created to make a fast-running language.

12 messages 2004/02/19

[#93180] Ruby to Parrot compiler — Mark <msparshatt@...>

Is there anyone working on a compiler for compiling Ruby code to work on

28 messages 2004/02/19

[#93193] proposal: let kind_of take more arguments — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

It just hit me.. why not let kind_of? take more arguments?

21 messages 2004/02/20

[#93243] Instance variable capitalization — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

I have a question about how ruby-like is it to capitalize

12 messages 2004/02/20

[#93260] Introducing myself and my interest in ruby — Larry Felton Johnson <larryj@...>

This is just a note introducing myself to the list, and

75 messages 2004/02/20
[#93855] Re: Introducing myself and my interest in ruby — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...1.vip.ukl.yahoo.com> 2004/02/27

il Sat, 28 Feb 2004 02:32:13 +0900, Mark Hubbart <discord@mac.com> ha

[#93857] Re: Introducing myself and my interest in ruby — Mark Hubbart <discord@...> 2004/02/27

On Feb 27, 2004, at 11:19 AM, gabriele renzi wrote:

[#93858] Re: Introducing myself and my interest in ruby — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2004/02/27

Mark Hubbart wrote:

[#93874] Ruby Compiler [was Introducing myself and my interest in ruby] — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2004/02/28

Hal Fulton wrote:

[#93936] FreeRIDE 0.6.0-1 -- a Windows Update — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2004/02/29

Until now, the FreeRIDE debugger did not work under windows. We now have a

[#93298] Puzzling... — "Ruby Tuesday" <rubytuezdayz@...>

Hi, I have these 2 files, one work and the other does not.

41 messages 2004/02/20

[#93321] Calling JDBC from with Ruby — Michael Davis <mdavis@...>

I am building a web application for a client in Ruby. The application is working but now needs to access data using JDBC. My client is requiring both ODBC (for Windows) and JDBC (for Sun) access to data. I am looking for an example of how to use JDBC from within Ruby. I have looked at Jruby but would prefer to write my own code rather than rely on a third party add-on that is beta, especially one that has not been updated in a while. If I write the data access portion in Java that uses JDBC, can I then write a Java wrapper that would allow Ruby to call the Java methods? Are there any examples available showing how to call a Java method from within Ruby similar to the C interface to Ruby?

21 messages 2004/02/21

[#93374] Tycho - A PIM under development — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

Hello, all.

17 messages 2004/02/21

[#93425] ANN: PLD RPMs of rake and ruby-dbi and a plea to packagers — Aredridel <aredridel@...>

I've just created packages (including .spec files to be used as

10 messages 2004/02/22

[#93459] Appropriate use of camelCase — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...>

Following the 'instance variable capitalization' thread, I'm convinced

46 messages 2004/02/23
[#93516] Re: Appropriate use of camelCase — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/02/24

Hi --

[#93523] Re: Appropriate use of camelCase — "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nahi@...> 2004/02/24

Chunky bacon!

[#93526] Re: Appropriate use of camelCase — Kirk Haines <khaines@...> 2004/02/24

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, NAKAMURA, Hiroshi wrote:

[#93464] Need examples comparing Ruby to Python — David MacQuigg <dmq@...>

I'm putting together a web page comparing Ruby to Python, and I need

35 messages 2004/02/23

[#93485] Ruby-gtk ? — Martin Hart <martin@...>

16 messages 2004/02/23

[#93632] proposal: debug keyword — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

A debug keyword which enables debug-output for a specific method.

13 messages 2004/02/25

[#93654] Operators +, += and = in Ruby 2 — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...>

12 messages 2004/02/25

[#93732] Why don't $global and @instance variables need declaration? — David Garamond <lists@...6.isreserved.com>

Sorry if the answer is obvious, but I can't find a satisfactory or more

10 messages 2004/02/26

[#93734] language contest ==> unit test framework from lisp to ruby — Piergiuliano Bossi <p_bossi_AGAINST_SPAM@...>

A few days ago I made a post (rubytalk:92963 ==> [2]) about the

13 messages 2004/02/26

[#93865] UnboundMethod#hash apparently broken in 1.8.1 — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...>

18 messages 2004/02/27

Re: Python 25 times as popular as Ruby !?

From: ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson)
Date: 2004-02-08 23:17:03 UTC
List: ruby-talk #92006
In article <401D4F5E.70704@po.cwru.edu>, Dan Doel  <djd15@po.cwru.edu> wrote:
>Michael campbell wrote:
>
>> No one said that.
>
>
>Yes, I was exaggerating for effect. :)
>
>> If it doesn't grow, it will eventually die.
>
>Will it? Is Smalltalk still growing today? 

Squeak seems to be building some excitement...

>It probably hasn't grown
>for quite some time, yet it's still around if you want to learn it.
>How about Eiffel? People are even moving away from C and C++, but I
>doubt they'll be dead for many years to come.
>
>In any case (and this is a reply to several posts, not just yours),
>Ruby will get popular some day. Or maybe it won't, and we'll either
>continue to talk about it here and use it from time to time just
>because it's a nice language, or we'll move on to something else.
>The world will go on.
>

Yes it will.

>What we don't need to do is organize a big campaign to get Ruby
>awareness up. 

So Ruby awareness will just grow on it's own without any effort from us? 
It'll just happen?  I don't think so.

>We don't need to contact big players like IBM and
>whoever to push Ruby for all sorts of programming -- "Look, it
>was made for scripting but you should use it for OS programming and
>high speed graphics too!" 

I don't think anyone is contacting big players and proposing that Ruby be 
used for things it's not suited for, and they shouldn't.
But what about proposing Ruby for things that it _is_ good for? 


>We don't need to go into Slashdot stories
>or forums about other languages and post messages going "Ruby rox!
>Go check it out!"

No, but why not visit other forums and make intelligent comments about 
Ruby (backing them up with facts about the language).  I think there are 
many opportunities to do this in an appropriate way.  Nobody's going to 
pay much attention to a post on a forum that says "You should use Ruby 
because it rox!", but if you suggest why Ruby makes sense for the given 
application space it will be received positively.

>
>Everyone hates evangelists except for those who are already in the
>religion. They get offended that you're implying your beliefs are
>better than theirs. If someone's curious about Ruby, or wants a
>language suggestion, tell them to check it out, but don't become
>an evangelist.

It all depends on how the evangelizing is done.  I would submit that we 
_do_ need Ruby evangelists, but they need to evangelize 'nicely' and 
intelligently.  I know that a few years back there was an article going 
around about how language evangelism is just terrible bad and must be 
avoided at all costs, but I wonder if it caused us to go too far in the 
other direction. "I'm not going to even mention Ruby as an option because 
I don't want to be seen as an evangelist".  The more people hear about 
Ruby, the more likely it is that they'll try it.

We've all seen plenty of examples of superior commercial products that 
died due to poor marketing.

So please _do_ write articles, post messages to other forums and even to 
Slashdot.  If we aim to be invisible, we will be.

>
>In the mean time, posts like, "Python is 25 times more popular than
>Ruby" or "Ruby needs Python indenting to be popular!" just waste time.
>Ruby will either get there, or it won't, based on whether it's worthy
>or not. Don't worry so much about how long it takes.
>

Some of us have been waiting longer than others...

bottom line:
I'd like to be able to recommend Ruby for work projects and not get 
'never heard of it' comments and questions about where would they find 
Ruby programmers if I were hit by a bus.  I'd like to hear, "Ruby, 
excellent suggestion, go with it".  Right now that's not the case - it's 
an uphill battle, but sometimes we do win.

Phil

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