[#323782] Help with HTML parsing — Vivek Netha <vivnet@...>

Hello,

13 messages 2009/01/01

[#323881] Default values of hashes — Glenn <glenn_ritz@...>

Hi,

16 messages 2009/01/03

[#323906] VERY simple question about "?" — Tom Cloyd <tomcloyd@...>

I absolutely love Ruby, but...I've always found the subject of Ruby

25 messages 2009/01/04
[#323908] Re: VERY simple question about "?" — "F. Senault" <fred@...> 2009/01/04

Le 4 janvier 2009 12:58, Tom Cloyd a 馗rit :

[#323910] Re: VERY simple question about "?" — "Yaser Sulaiman" <yaserbuntu@...> 2009/01/04

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:34 PM, F. Senault <fred@lacave.net> wrote:

[#323913] Re: VERY simple question about "?" — Tom Cloyd <tomcloyd@...> 2009/01/04

Yaser Sulaiman wrote:

[#323920] Re: VERY simple question about "?" — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2009/01/04

On 04.01.2009 14:48, Tom Cloyd wrote:

[#323923] Re: VERY simple question about "?" — "Michael Guterl" <mguterl@...> 2009/01/04

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Robert Klemme

[#323924] Re: VERY simple question about "?" — "Robert Klemme" <shortcutter@...> 2009/01/04

2009/1/4 Michael Guterl <mguterl@gmail.com>:

[#323944] Re: VERY simple question about "?" — Tom Cloyd <tomcloyd@...> 2009/01/04

Robert Klemme wrote:

[#323956] How can I prevent require duplicate files — Zhao Yi <youhaodeyi@...>

In a big ruby project, how to prevent requiring a file multiple times?

12 messages 2009/01/05

[#324027] WANTED: need a real web API for rubyforge.org — Ryan Davis <ryand-ruby@...>

I just released version 1.0.2 of the rubyforge command line client. It

38 messages 2009/01/05
[#324040] Re: WANTED: need a real web API for rubyforge.org — Trans <transfire@...> 2009/01/06

[#324065] Re: WANTED: need a real web API for rubyforge.org — Tiago Nogueira <tjnogueira@...> 2009/01/06

Trans escreveu:

[#324145] Re: WANTED: need a real web API for rubyforge.org — "Gregory Brown" <gregory.t.brown@...> 2009/01/07

On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 6:08 AM, Tiago Nogueira <tjnogueira@oomaster.com> wrote:

[#324146] Re: WANTED: need a real web API for rubyforge.org — Tiago Nogueira <tjnogueira@...> 2009/01/07

Gregory Brown escreveu:

[#324152] Re: WANTED: need a real web API for rubyforge.org — "Gregory Brown" <gregory.t.brown@...> 2009/01/07

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Tiago Nogueira <tjnogueira@oomaster.com> wrote:

[#324155] Re: WANTED: need a real web API for rubyforge.org — Tiago Nogueira <tjnogueira@...> 2009/01/07

Gregory Brown escreveu:

[#324163] Re: WANTED: need a real web API for rubyforge.org — "Gregory Brown" <gregory.t.brown@...> 2009/01/07

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Tiago Nogueira <tjnogueira@oomaster.com> wrote:

[#324159] Re: WANTED: need a real web API for rubyforge.org — Marcelo <marcelo.magallon@...> 2009/01/07

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Tiago Nogueira <tjnogueira@oomaster.com> wrote:

[#324127] a good career choice ? — waterinmylungss@...

Hello, I am from the USA and I graduated last year with a BS. I've

23 messages 2009/01/07

[#324194] functional programming — "Haris Bogdanovic" <fbogdanovic@...>

Hi.

87 messages 2009/01/08
[#324498] Re: functional programming — pjb@... (Pascal J. Bourguignon) 2009/01/10

Brian Candler <b.candler@pobox.com> writes:

[#324502] Re: functional programming — Brian Candler <b.candler@...> 2009/01/10

Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote:

[#324340] How Ruby — Dhushyanth Ramasamy <r.dushyanth@...>

Well i read the posts on "Why ruby" now I wanted to know "How Ruby":

22 messages 2009/01/09
[#324341] Re: How Ruby — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...> 2009/01/09

My view is you start out simple and straightforward. There are no Police

[#324398] Q: most efficient way to remove duplicate spaces in a string? — Mark Watson <mark.watson@...>

I don't usually worry too much about efficiency unless runtime

14 messages 2009/01/09

[#324410] Behavior of 0 and 0.0... — Raphael Clancy <raphael.clancy@...>

I was playing around with the basic math functions, and I had some

16 messages 2009/01/09

[#324420] value of an expression? — Kedar Mhaswade <kedar.mhaswade@...>

Sorry if this is asked before and I could not find its answer. Take a

20 messages 2009/01/09

[#324519] Binding.of_caller examples don't work. — Doug <doug14@...>

I'm trying to use the Binding class in the extensions library

17 messages 2009/01/10

[#324561] reccommended work flow for unit tests and databases in ruby — Adam Akhtar <adamtemporary@...>

How does one go around creating unit tests for database tables during

15 messages 2009/01/11

[#324692] what's the rules re whether a Hash can use either a Symbol or String to reference the value??? — "Greg Hauptmann" <greg.hauptmann.ruby@...>

Hi,

9 messages 2009/01/12

[#324793] Returning a duplicate from an Array — Jeff Miller <loadeddesigns@...>

Hey guys,

12 messages 2009/01/13

[#324830] Higher order ruby — zslevi <zslevi@...>

foo = lambda {|x| lambda {|y| return x+y}}

13 messages 2009/01/14

[#324844] Why do true and false have separate classes — Ruby Rabbit <sentinel.2001@...>

This has puzzled me a bit. I googled and came up with responses like --

18 messages 2009/01/14

[#324870] Ncurses like library? — Tim Mcd <tmcdowell@...>

Excuse me, but does anyone know of an Ncurses-like library for Ruby? For

20 messages 2009/01/14

[#324898] 10 things to be aware of in 1.8 -> 1.9 transition — "David A. Black" <dblack@...>

Hi --

23 messages 2009/01/14

[#324935] Quizmaster Retiring: Revenge of the Sith — Matthew Moss <matt@...>

Sorry for the dorky subject line...

38 messages 2009/01/14
[#325027] Re: Quizmaster Retiring: Revenge of the Sith — "Martin DeMello" <martindemello@...> 2009/01/15

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:07 AM, Matthew Moss <matt@moss.name> wrote:

[#325055] Re: Quizmaster Retiring: Revenge of the Sith — "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@...> 2009/01/16

Sorry Matthew if I let some of our private discussions out here but I

[#325121] Re: Quizmaster Retiring: Revenge of the Sith — Matthew Moss <matt@...> 2009/01/16

> But it is interesting to note that we had quite some discussions and I

[#325123] Re: Quizmaster Retiring: Revenge of the Sith — "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@...> 2009/01/16

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Matthew Moss <matt@moss.name> wrote:

[#325144] Re: Quizmaster Retiring: Revenge of the Sith — "Daniel Moore" <yahivin@...> 2009/01/16

Hello Everyone,

[#325149] Re: Quizmaster Retiring: Revenge of the Sith — Matthew Moss <matt@...> 2009/01/16

[#325021] Desktop <-> Web — Trans <transfire@...>

I want to interface a desktop application to a backend web

19 messages 2009/01/15
[#325066] Re: Desktop <-> Web — Martin DeMello <martindemello@...> 2009/01/16

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Trans <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:

[#325046] RubyGem, find path of installed gem through ruby. — Aaron Smith <beingthexemplary@...>

Hey All,

11 messages 2009/01/16

[#325070] Describing degerate dna strings — George George <george.githinji@...>

I am working with strings of 4 letter alphabet a,c,t,g that describe

12 messages 2009/01/16

[#325114] How to refresh Image through ajax request — Kumar Saurav <saurav@...>

Hi all ,

13 messages 2009/01/16

[#325217] 1.8.6 OCI binary extension question — Tim Hunter <TimHunter@...>

I'm trying to build a new release of RMagick that is compatible with the

10 messages 2009/01/17

[#325218] Re: reading file to list — Xah Lee <xahlee@...>

comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.scheme,comp.lang.functional,comp.lang.python,comp.=

18 messages 2009/01/17

[#325234] If you use PDF::Writer, read this post! — Gregory Brown <gregory.t.brown@...>

I'm getting very few requests for features to add to Prawn that exist

19 messages 2009/01/18
[#325235] Re: If you use PDF::Writer, read this post! — Stefan Lang <perfectly.normal.hacker@...> 2009/01/18

2009/1/18 Gregory Brown <gregory.t.brown@gmail.com>:

[#325236] Re: If you use PDF::Writer, read this post! — Gregory Brown <gregory.t.brown@...> 2009/01/18

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Stefan Lang

[#325242] Re: If you use PDF::Writer, read this post! — Trans <transfire@...> 2009/01/18

[#325243] Re: If you use PDF::Writer, read this post! — Gregory Brown <gregory.t.brown@...> 2009/01/18

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Trans <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:

[#325254] Re: If you use PDF::Writer, read this post! — "Redd Vinylene" <reddvinylene@...> 2009/01/18

Does anybody use this stuff as an alternative to LaTeX?

[#325353] Converting binary image file to bmp file using RMagick2.0 — Kamaljeet Saini <kamaljeet_singh_saini@...>

We are trying to convert "image1.txt" file which is a binary file to

18 messages 2009/01/19
[#325495] Re: Converting binary image file to bmp file using RMagick2.0 — Heesob Park <phasis@...> 2009/01/21

Hi,

[#325629] Re: Converting binary image file to bmp file using RMagick2.0 — Kamaljeet Saini <kamaljeet_singh_saini@...> 2009/01/22

The above posting code worked fine for 704/480 binary to image file but

[#325417] Is it possible to install exe via ruby code ? — jazzez ravi <jazzezravi@...>

I have a exe file in c:/test.exe

13 messages 2009/01/20
[#325418] Re: Is it possible to install exe via ruby code ? — jazzez ravi <jazzezravi@...> 2009/01/20

Sorry for the wrong code in previous post

[#325542] String doesnt auto dup on modification — RK Sentinel <sentinel.2001@...>

I'm writing my first largeish app. One issue that gets me frequently is

34 messages 2009/01/21

[#325602] Separate random number generators? — Bart Braem <bart.braem@...>

For simulation work, I want to use multiple, independent random number

19 messages 2009/01/22

[#325649] Choosing the most appropiate Ruby version and programming model to develop a SIP server — Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@...>

Hi, I need to do a choice between the various Ruby versions (1.8, 1.9, JRub=

11 messages 2009/01/22
[#325675] Re: Choosing the most appropiate Ruby version and programming model to develop a SIP server — Brian Candler <b.candler@...> 2009/01/23

I単aki Baz Castillo wrote:

[#325683] Re: Choosing the most appropiate Ruby version and programming model to develop a SIP server — Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@...> 2009/01/23

2009/1/23 Brian Candler <b.candler@pobox.com>:

[#325652] How to receive data using socket programming — Kamaljeet Saini <kamaljeet_singh_saini@...>

Hi,

11 messages 2009/01/22

[#325668] Gathering Ruby Quiz 2 Data (#189) — Daniel Moore <yahivin@...>

Greetings!

12 messages 2009/01/23

[#325870] Need help for Ruby DBI and PostgreSQl — Manisha Tripathy <pujari.manisha@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2009/01/26

[#325921] nokogirl on ubuntu: failed to build gem native extension — Edouard Dantes <edrd.dantes@...>

Hi,

13 messages 2009/01/27

[#325971] Ruby interpreter not working — Will Dresh <w.dresh@...>

Hello,

14 messages 2009/01/27
[#325972] Re: Ruby interpreter not working — Stefano Crocco <stefano.crocco@...> 2009/01/27

Alle marted=C3=AC 27 gennaio 2009, Will Dresh ha scritto:

[#325973] Re: [initialize keyword] Ruby interpreter not working — Rodrigo Bermejo <rodrigo.bermejo@...> 2009/01/27

Stefano Crocco wrote:

[#325974] replacing callcc by catch/throw — Thomas Hafner <thomas@...>

Hello,

16 messages 2009/01/27

[#325983] Super User Can't Change UID? — James Gray <james@...>

Why would the super user not be able to switch UID's?

14 messages 2009/01/27

[#326070] Ruby on Solaris 10 performance problems — Colin Mackenzie <colmac@...>

We just installed ruby on a

18 messages 2009/01/28

[#326084] Bitwise question — "Andrew Barringer" <abarringer@...>

I'm working on a project that has a bitmap of permissions and I need to

14 messages 2009/01/28

[#326101] proper use of classes — Tom Cloyd <tomcloyd@...>

Greetings...

32 messages 2009/01/29
[#326439] Its a Free Language — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...> 2009/01/31

An attractive aspect of Ruby is how it is usually presented as agnostic

[#326461] Re: Its a Free Language — "Sean O'Halpin" <sean.ohalpin@...> 2009/02/01

On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Mike Stephens <rubfor@recitel.net> wrote:

[#326106] RDoc 2.3 now with Darkfish, without CHM and extra HTML templates — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net>

This release of RDoc brings some big changes. Most notably Michael =20

39 messages 2009/01/29
[#326250] Re: RDoc 2.3 now with Darkfish, without CHM and extra HTML templates — Clifford Heath <no@...> 2009/01/30

Eric Hodel wrote:

[#326262] Re: RDoc 2.3 now with Darkfish, without CHM and extra HTML templates — James Gray <james@...> 2009/01/30

On Jan 30, 2009, at 5:27 AM, Clifford Heath wrote:

[#326196] How to do a for loop...and iterate a set number of times? — Dan No <dan.cao.nguyen@...>

So painfully basic, but I'm just starting Ruby and am coming to it from

9 messages 2009/01/29

[#326241] Object#singleton_class in Ruby 1.9? — Suraj Kurapati <snk@...>

Hello,

48 messages 2009/01/30
[#326249] Re: Object#singleton_class in Ruby 1.9? — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2009/01/30

Hi --

[#326270] Re: Object#singleton_class in Ruby 1.9? — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2009/01/30

Hi,

[#326400] Re: Object#singleton_class in Ruby 1.9? — Robert Dober <robert.dober@...> 2009/01/31

On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org> wrote:

[#326415] Re: Object#singleton_class in Ruby 1.9? — Thomas Sawyer <transfire@...> 2009/01/31

Robert Dober wrote:

[#326460] Re: Object#singleton_class in Ruby 1.9? — "Sean O'Halpin" <sean.ohalpin@...> 2009/02/01

On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Thomas Sawyer <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:

[#326465] Re: Object#singleton_class in Ruby 1.9? — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2009/02/01

Hi --

[#326526] Re: Object#singleton_class in Ruby 1.9? — Thomas Sawyer <transfire@...> 2009/02/02

David A. Black wrote:

[#326276] Ruby 1.9.1 is released — "Yugui (Yuki Sonoda)" <yugui@...>

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51 messages 2009/01/30

[#326412] Array#to_h — Roger Pack <rogerpack2005@...>

Not that I would find it useful at all, but is there is a Hash#to_a

19 messages 2009/01/31

Re: proper use of classes

From: "David A. Black" <dblack@...>
Date: 2009-01-29 12:11:52 UTC
List: ruby-talk #326155
Hi --

On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Tom Cloyd wrote:

> David A. Black wrote:
>> 
>> You wrote:
>>>
>>> My nightmare case is a class which operates on an input record, but 
>>> differently each time, depending upon a number of factors in the 
>>> environment outside the class. I just can't see a graceful way to do this. 
>>> I'm struggling to see why I do OO programming at all in this case.
>> 
>> Normally you'd write a class in cases where you want more than one of
>> something. I'm not sure that's the case here. What exactly do you mean
>> by a class operating on an input record? Or, to go at it a different
>> way, what exactly is the flow of events that you want to handle? It
>> may be that you could use a class called InputHandler (or whatever),
>> and you'd do something like:
>>
>>   ih = InputHandler.new(filename)
>>   fields = ih.parse_into_fields
> This looks like a method dressed up as a class.

"Class" and "method" are not commensurate. They're categorically
different; they don't stand in for each other. What I've got there is
a class, an instance of that class, and an instance method.

> Why do this? I guess it could 
> make your root program simpler. Every time you want a new record, you tickle 
> the single class instance you have, and it spits out some data. But, it 
> quakes like a duck (method), so I have to say that's what it is, disguised as 
> a class. In the example, as given to this point, there's no reason for the 
> conversion to a class - none that I can see.

It feels to me like you've overthinking the issue. For one thing, it's
important to get back to *objects*. In other words, it's not a tug of
war between classes and methods; it's all about which objects will
help you the most. (Classes are objects, but that's secondary at the
moment.)

In my example, ih is an object that has state (it knows of a filename)
and behavior (it can parse the file into fields, whatever that may
mean). It's possible that I'd need an object that does not have state,
but that can parse files -- in which case, I might write a method on a
class or module (like YAML.load). But if I want my handler to remember
its filename, then a class is not appropriate, because I might have
more than one handler, or some other library that I load might want to
use the handler. The ability to create instances of a class, and
associate each instance with a file, means that the class itself
doesn't have to track who's using which file.

Again, it's really about objects, not classes. If I need three input
handlers, then I want a convenient way to create them. I could do this
each time:

   handler = Object.new
   handler.extend(SomeHandlerModule)
   handler.filename = filename
   handler.parse_into_fields

and so on, but a class is a shortcut way of doing something similar.

>> A class is a generalization. So if what you're doing isn't general,
>> you may not need or want to model it in classes. If you're writing a
>> script to parse one particular file, there's quite likely no point
>> writing a generalized handler class.
> I have to agree. I reached that conclusion over the weekend, with some 
> disappointment. I started out some days ago wondering "why classes"? I got 
> some decent answers back, but have yet to really find an application. Dave 
> Thomas uses an example of a book story inventory program, and creates a book 
> class, one instance of which is created for every book. So where does that 
> leave us, I wonder? With a running inventory program that has 50,000 little 
> book objects bouncing around inside? That makes no sense, to me. It certainly 
> is an illustration of using classes, but to me in no way illustrates the 
> NECESSITY or even the benefit of doing do. I keep thinking I'm missing 
> something that everyone else is seeing.
>
> The technology of classes isn't the problem for me. It's the rationale. I 
> look at some of gems I use, and I see herds of classes. They make some sense 
> as containers for methods, certainly, but modules could do that, or some 
> clever naming scheme for set of classes which share some common domain.

You can certainly use modules. The class Class is, in fact, a subclass
of the class Module, which means that in a certain sense, classes are
a specialization of module (basically, a module that can spawn
instances).

> Maybe it's just an organizational thing. A class is way to create a complex 
> thing that looks and acts simple. That, of course, is a terrific idea. But, 
> again, mere methods do that quite nicely.
>
> Somehow I'm not quite grasping the heart of the problem I'm having. One more 
> try - it's clear why sometimes one uses integers and other times floats.

And Integer and Float are both classes :-)

> I'm 
> trying to get to that level of clarity regarding classes. Right now, I 
> appreciate the idea that I might do myClassInstance.a, then *.b, , and so on, 
> accessing various methods that are conveniently grouped in my ClassInstance. 
> AND that I might want to subclass this so as to have a slightly different 
> flavor of it.  It's also clear that I might want to hold the state of some 
> domain, while I go off and do other things, returning at times to make use of 
> that held state and any associated methods. It all sounds like a nice idea.
>
> I need to find some part of my code that cries out for this nice concept, and 
> so far I haven't. So far, I have a class that opens some files and loads 
> their contents in hashes. Once. And a similar one that dumps the hashes back 
> out. Once. A method would the job just as well. Making those classes was just 
> an exercise, it now seems.

Again, class and method are not warring concepts. Even if you write
classes, you still write methods -- and *every* method in Ruby resides
in either a class or a module.

> I just looked over all my methods, in my current project. They're all simply 
> blocks of code that get used repeatedly. There's no need to hold state. All 
> state resides in the main program. Now, THAT - a main program which manages a 
> database modeled on a graph - I'll turn into a class, as I might need to have 
> multiple instances running simultaneously, and play them off each other. 
> THAT, I think, is the first clear need for a class I've yet seen, in my 
> little coding world. The absolute first.

There's absolutely no technical imperative to write classes that you
don't need. It's not a higher plateau of programming; it's just a tool
for spawning objects.

One way to get a sense of how classes are used (and useful) is to
consider the Ruby language itself. In any language, you need to be
able to have multiple filehandles open. In Ruby, that need is
addressed by modeling each filehandle as an instance of File. The
class is, so to speak, the dispatch station, where requests for new
filehandles are fielded. But the class itself does not attach itself
to a particular file, since that would severely limit you.

In my Intro to Ruby training, I've got an exercise where you write a
program modeling a deck of cards. The exercise comes in several
flavors: write a Card class and Deck class, with Deck either
inheriting from Array or not, and write the whole program again
without defining any classes. It's all very valuable, and all the
techniques exposed by the exercise are important. As always, it comes
down to objects, and to what's the best way to launch the objects you
need.


David

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