[#323782] Help with HTML parsing — Vivek Netha <vivnet@...>

Hello,

13 messages 2009/01/01

[#323881] Default values of hashes — Glenn <glenn_ritz@...>

Hi,

16 messages 2009/01/03

[#323906] VERY simple question about "?" — Tom Cloyd <tomcloyd@...>

I absolutely love Ruby, but...I've always found the subject of Ruby

25 messages 2009/01/04
[#323908] Re: VERY simple question about "?" — "F. Senault" <fred@...> 2009/01/04

Le 4 janvier 2009 12:58, Tom Cloyd a 馗rit :

[#323910] Re: VERY simple question about "?" — "Yaser Sulaiman" <yaserbuntu@...> 2009/01/04

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:34 PM, F. Senault <fred@lacave.net> wrote:

[#323913] Re: VERY simple question about "?" — Tom Cloyd <tomcloyd@...> 2009/01/04

Yaser Sulaiman wrote:

[#323920] Re: VERY simple question about "?" — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2009/01/04

On 04.01.2009 14:48, Tom Cloyd wrote:

[#323923] Re: VERY simple question about "?" — "Michael Guterl" <mguterl@...> 2009/01/04

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Robert Klemme

[#323924] Re: VERY simple question about "?" — "Robert Klemme" <shortcutter@...> 2009/01/04

2009/1/4 Michael Guterl <mguterl@gmail.com>:

[#323944] Re: VERY simple question about "?" — Tom Cloyd <tomcloyd@...> 2009/01/04

Robert Klemme wrote:

[#323956] How can I prevent require duplicate files — Zhao Yi <youhaodeyi@...>

In a big ruby project, how to prevent requiring a file multiple times?

12 messages 2009/01/05

[#324027] WANTED: need a real web API for rubyforge.org — Ryan Davis <ryand-ruby@...>

I just released version 1.0.2 of the rubyforge command line client. It

38 messages 2009/01/05
[#324040] Re: WANTED: need a real web API for rubyforge.org — Trans <transfire@...> 2009/01/06

[#324065] Re: WANTED: need a real web API for rubyforge.org — Tiago Nogueira <tjnogueira@...> 2009/01/06

Trans escreveu:

[#324145] Re: WANTED: need a real web API for rubyforge.org — "Gregory Brown" <gregory.t.brown@...> 2009/01/07

On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 6:08 AM, Tiago Nogueira <tjnogueira@oomaster.com> wrote:

[#324146] Re: WANTED: need a real web API for rubyforge.org — Tiago Nogueira <tjnogueira@...> 2009/01/07

Gregory Brown escreveu:

[#324152] Re: WANTED: need a real web API for rubyforge.org — "Gregory Brown" <gregory.t.brown@...> 2009/01/07

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Tiago Nogueira <tjnogueira@oomaster.com> wrote:

[#324155] Re: WANTED: need a real web API for rubyforge.org — Tiago Nogueira <tjnogueira@...> 2009/01/07

Gregory Brown escreveu:

[#324163] Re: WANTED: need a real web API for rubyforge.org — "Gregory Brown" <gregory.t.brown@...> 2009/01/07

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Tiago Nogueira <tjnogueira@oomaster.com> wrote:

[#324159] Re: WANTED: need a real web API for rubyforge.org — Marcelo <marcelo.magallon@...> 2009/01/07

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Tiago Nogueira <tjnogueira@oomaster.com> wrote:

[#324127] a good career choice ? — waterinmylungss@...

Hello, I am from the USA and I graduated last year with a BS. I've

23 messages 2009/01/07

[#324194] functional programming — "Haris Bogdanovic" <fbogdanovic@...>

Hi.

87 messages 2009/01/08
[#324498] Re: functional programming — pjb@... (Pascal J. Bourguignon) 2009/01/10

Brian Candler <b.candler@pobox.com> writes:

[#324502] Re: functional programming — Brian Candler <b.candler@...> 2009/01/10

Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote:

[#324340] How Ruby — Dhushyanth Ramasamy <r.dushyanth@...>

Well i read the posts on "Why ruby" now I wanted to know "How Ruby":

22 messages 2009/01/09
[#324341] Re: How Ruby — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...> 2009/01/09

My view is you start out simple and straightforward. There are no Police

[#324398] Q: most efficient way to remove duplicate spaces in a string? — Mark Watson <mark.watson@...>

I don't usually worry too much about efficiency unless runtime

14 messages 2009/01/09

[#324410] Behavior of 0 and 0.0... — Raphael Clancy <raphael.clancy@...>

I was playing around with the basic math functions, and I had some

16 messages 2009/01/09

[#324420] value of an expression? — Kedar Mhaswade <kedar.mhaswade@...>

Sorry if this is asked before and I could not find its answer. Take a

20 messages 2009/01/09

[#324519] Binding.of_caller examples don't work. — Doug <doug14@...>

I'm trying to use the Binding class in the extensions library

17 messages 2009/01/10

[#324561] reccommended work flow for unit tests and databases in ruby — Adam Akhtar <adamtemporary@...>

How does one go around creating unit tests for database tables during

15 messages 2009/01/11

[#324692] what's the rules re whether a Hash can use either a Symbol or String to reference the value??? — "Greg Hauptmann" <greg.hauptmann.ruby@...>

Hi,

9 messages 2009/01/12

[#324793] Returning a duplicate from an Array — Jeff Miller <loadeddesigns@...>

Hey guys,

12 messages 2009/01/13

[#324830] Higher order ruby — zslevi <zslevi@...>

foo = lambda {|x| lambda {|y| return x+y}}

13 messages 2009/01/14

[#324844] Why do true and false have separate classes — Ruby Rabbit <sentinel.2001@...>

This has puzzled me a bit. I googled and came up with responses like --

18 messages 2009/01/14

[#324870] Ncurses like library? — Tim Mcd <tmcdowell@...>

Excuse me, but does anyone know of an Ncurses-like library for Ruby? For

20 messages 2009/01/14

[#324898] 10 things to be aware of in 1.8 -> 1.9 transition — "David A. Black" <dblack@...>

Hi --

23 messages 2009/01/14

[#324935] Quizmaster Retiring: Revenge of the Sith — Matthew Moss <matt@...>

Sorry for the dorky subject line...

38 messages 2009/01/14
[#325027] Re: Quizmaster Retiring: Revenge of the Sith — "Martin DeMello" <martindemello@...> 2009/01/15

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:07 AM, Matthew Moss <matt@moss.name> wrote:

[#325055] Re: Quizmaster Retiring: Revenge of the Sith — "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@...> 2009/01/16

Sorry Matthew if I let some of our private discussions out here but I

[#325121] Re: Quizmaster Retiring: Revenge of the Sith — Matthew Moss <matt@...> 2009/01/16

> But it is interesting to note that we had quite some discussions and I

[#325123] Re: Quizmaster Retiring: Revenge of the Sith — "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@...> 2009/01/16

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Matthew Moss <matt@moss.name> wrote:

[#325144] Re: Quizmaster Retiring: Revenge of the Sith — "Daniel Moore" <yahivin@...> 2009/01/16

Hello Everyone,

[#325149] Re: Quizmaster Retiring: Revenge of the Sith — Matthew Moss <matt@...> 2009/01/16

[#325021] Desktop <-> Web — Trans <transfire@...>

I want to interface a desktop application to a backend web

19 messages 2009/01/15
[#325066] Re: Desktop <-> Web — Martin DeMello <martindemello@...> 2009/01/16

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Trans <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:

[#325046] RubyGem, find path of installed gem through ruby. — Aaron Smith <beingthexemplary@...>

Hey All,

11 messages 2009/01/16

[#325070] Describing degerate dna strings — George George <george.githinji@...>

I am working with strings of 4 letter alphabet a,c,t,g that describe

12 messages 2009/01/16

[#325114] How to refresh Image through ajax request — Kumar Saurav <saurav@...>

Hi all ,

13 messages 2009/01/16

[#325217] 1.8.6 OCI binary extension question — Tim Hunter <TimHunter@...>

I'm trying to build a new release of RMagick that is compatible with the

10 messages 2009/01/17

[#325218] Re: reading file to list — Xah Lee <xahlee@...>

comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.scheme,comp.lang.functional,comp.lang.python,comp.=

18 messages 2009/01/17

[#325234] If you use PDF::Writer, read this post! — Gregory Brown <gregory.t.brown@...>

I'm getting very few requests for features to add to Prawn that exist

19 messages 2009/01/18
[#325235] Re: If you use PDF::Writer, read this post! — Stefan Lang <perfectly.normal.hacker@...> 2009/01/18

2009/1/18 Gregory Brown <gregory.t.brown@gmail.com>:

[#325236] Re: If you use PDF::Writer, read this post! — Gregory Brown <gregory.t.brown@...> 2009/01/18

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Stefan Lang

[#325242] Re: If you use PDF::Writer, read this post! — Trans <transfire@...> 2009/01/18

[#325243] Re: If you use PDF::Writer, read this post! — Gregory Brown <gregory.t.brown@...> 2009/01/18

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Trans <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:

[#325254] Re: If you use PDF::Writer, read this post! — "Redd Vinylene" <reddvinylene@...> 2009/01/18

Does anybody use this stuff as an alternative to LaTeX?

[#325353] Converting binary image file to bmp file using RMagick2.0 — Kamaljeet Saini <kamaljeet_singh_saini@...>

We are trying to convert "image1.txt" file which is a binary file to

18 messages 2009/01/19
[#325495] Re: Converting binary image file to bmp file using RMagick2.0 — Heesob Park <phasis@...> 2009/01/21

Hi,

[#325629] Re: Converting binary image file to bmp file using RMagick2.0 — Kamaljeet Saini <kamaljeet_singh_saini@...> 2009/01/22

The above posting code worked fine for 704/480 binary to image file but

[#325417] Is it possible to install exe via ruby code ? — jazzez ravi <jazzezravi@...>

I have a exe file in c:/test.exe

13 messages 2009/01/20
[#325418] Re: Is it possible to install exe via ruby code ? — jazzez ravi <jazzezravi@...> 2009/01/20

Sorry for the wrong code in previous post

[#325542] String doesnt auto dup on modification — RK Sentinel <sentinel.2001@...>

I'm writing my first largeish app. One issue that gets me frequently is

34 messages 2009/01/21

[#325602] Separate random number generators? — Bart Braem <bart.braem@...>

For simulation work, I want to use multiple, independent random number

19 messages 2009/01/22

[#325649] Choosing the most appropiate Ruby version and programming model to develop a SIP server — Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@...>

Hi, I need to do a choice between the various Ruby versions (1.8, 1.9, JRub=

11 messages 2009/01/22
[#325675] Re: Choosing the most appropiate Ruby version and programming model to develop a SIP server — Brian Candler <b.candler@...> 2009/01/23

I単aki Baz Castillo wrote:

[#325683] Re: Choosing the most appropiate Ruby version and programming model to develop a SIP server — Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@...> 2009/01/23

2009/1/23 Brian Candler <b.candler@pobox.com>:

[#325652] How to receive data using socket programming — Kamaljeet Saini <kamaljeet_singh_saini@...>

Hi,

11 messages 2009/01/22

[#325668] Gathering Ruby Quiz 2 Data (#189) — Daniel Moore <yahivin@...>

Greetings!

12 messages 2009/01/23

[#325870] Need help for Ruby DBI and PostgreSQl — Manisha Tripathy <pujari.manisha@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2009/01/26

[#325921] nokogirl on ubuntu: failed to build gem native extension — Edouard Dantes <edrd.dantes@...>

Hi,

13 messages 2009/01/27

[#325971] Ruby interpreter not working — Will Dresh <w.dresh@...>

Hello,

14 messages 2009/01/27
[#325972] Re: Ruby interpreter not working — Stefano Crocco <stefano.crocco@...> 2009/01/27

Alle marted=C3=AC 27 gennaio 2009, Will Dresh ha scritto:

[#325973] Re: [initialize keyword] Ruby interpreter not working — Rodrigo Bermejo <rodrigo.bermejo@...> 2009/01/27

Stefano Crocco wrote:

[#325974] replacing callcc by catch/throw — Thomas Hafner <thomas@...>

Hello,

16 messages 2009/01/27

[#325983] Super User Can't Change UID? — James Gray <james@...>

Why would the super user not be able to switch UID's?

14 messages 2009/01/27

[#326070] Ruby on Solaris 10 performance problems — Colin Mackenzie <colmac@...>

We just installed ruby on a

18 messages 2009/01/28

[#326084] Bitwise question — "Andrew Barringer" <abarringer@...>

I'm working on a project that has a bitmap of permissions and I need to

14 messages 2009/01/28

[#326101] proper use of classes — Tom Cloyd <tomcloyd@...>

Greetings...

32 messages 2009/01/29
[#326439] Its a Free Language — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...> 2009/01/31

An attractive aspect of Ruby is how it is usually presented as agnostic

[#326461] Re: Its a Free Language — "Sean O'Halpin" <sean.ohalpin@...> 2009/02/01

On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Mike Stephens <rubfor@recitel.net> wrote:

[#326106] RDoc 2.3 now with Darkfish, without CHM and extra HTML templates — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net>

This release of RDoc brings some big changes. Most notably Michael =20

39 messages 2009/01/29
[#326250] Re: RDoc 2.3 now with Darkfish, without CHM and extra HTML templates — Clifford Heath <no@...> 2009/01/30

Eric Hodel wrote:

[#326262] Re: RDoc 2.3 now with Darkfish, without CHM and extra HTML templates — James Gray <james@...> 2009/01/30

On Jan 30, 2009, at 5:27 AM, Clifford Heath wrote:

[#326196] How to do a for loop...and iterate a set number of times? — Dan No <dan.cao.nguyen@...>

So painfully basic, but I'm just starting Ruby and am coming to it from

9 messages 2009/01/29

[#326241] Object#singleton_class in Ruby 1.9? — Suraj Kurapati <snk@...>

Hello,

48 messages 2009/01/30
[#326249] Re: Object#singleton_class in Ruby 1.9? — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2009/01/30

Hi --

[#326270] Re: Object#singleton_class in Ruby 1.9? — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2009/01/30

Hi,

[#326400] Re: Object#singleton_class in Ruby 1.9? — Robert Dober <robert.dober@...> 2009/01/31

On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org> wrote:

[#326415] Re: Object#singleton_class in Ruby 1.9? — Thomas Sawyer <transfire@...> 2009/01/31

Robert Dober wrote:

[#326460] Re: Object#singleton_class in Ruby 1.9? — "Sean O'Halpin" <sean.ohalpin@...> 2009/02/01

On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Thomas Sawyer <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:

[#326465] Re: Object#singleton_class in Ruby 1.9? — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2009/02/01

Hi --

[#326526] Re: Object#singleton_class in Ruby 1.9? — Thomas Sawyer <transfire@...> 2009/02/02

David A. Black wrote:

[#326276] Ruby 1.9.1 is released — "Yugui (Yuki Sonoda)" <yugui@...>

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51 messages 2009/01/30

[#326412] Array#to_h — Roger Pack <rogerpack2005@...>

Not that I would find it useful at all, but is there is a Hash#to_a

19 messages 2009/01/31

proper use of classes

From: Tom Cloyd <tomcloyd@...>
Date: 2009-01-29 00:33:30 UTC
List: ruby-talk #326101
Greetings...

I'm continuing my learn-to-write-OO-Ruby journey. Had a recent bad 
experience trying to convert a complex method to a class. The method 
gets a lot of use in my program, and each time it needs to know a lot 
about the environment outside itself. I found myself having to write a 
ton of instance variable data into the class instance to get it to do 
its job, before I called it each time, then read a few more back out to 
get the results. It was awful. What had been a one line call was now 
about 14 lines of code. Ack! I gave up and converted it back to a 
method, which simply makes more sense. I could not find any 
"class-magic" in this experience - just a lot of locked doors.

I now have three questions. I have read a number of people's accounts of 
what classes are and how you build them, etc., etc., and no one seems to 
address these matters at all well (or else I missed it):

1. HOW do you use a class?

I was assuming that since I couldn't pass data to an instance, after 
creation, I have no option but to write data into its instance vars as 
needed. Sometimes, it seems there simply is no other option.

But, is it approved practice to do something like

junk = MyClass.new( var_1...var_n ).mymethod

which creates an instance and calls a method which leaves its results in 
some instance vars., then simple read the results with...but how? 
there's no instance object! (Not that I can find, anyway.) That seems to 
leave me only with this possibility:

myclass = MyClass.newMyClass.new( var_1...var_n )
myclass.mymethod
varA = myclass.var_whatever
etc....until I have all my results back out of the instance.

Compared to a simple method call, this seems designed to make me crazy 
quickly. Is there a better way?

Then, to call the instance again, I have to write new data into its 
instance vars. This simply looks like nonsense, unless one really needs 
to have the encapsulation that an instance offers. Am I missing 
something? Is this just the facts of life when using classes?

2. Is it accepted practice to simply create a new instance every time 
the class is needed, thus setting the instance's state once, using it 
with one or more method calls, then moving on to the next new instance? 
It occurs to me that maybe Ruby's garbage collection would sweep the old 
instance right up, knowing it won't be used again, but I don't know.

My nightmare case is a class which operates on an input record, but 
differently each time, depending upon a number of factors in the 
environment outside the class. I just can't see a graceful way to do 
this. I'm struggling to see why I do OO programming at all in this case.

3. Finally, I'm still struggling with the "when do I make something a 
class?" question. I'm surprised that this question is so unimportant or 
its answer so obvious that no one much addresses it. Dave Thomas, in his 
3rd ed. (I just upgraded, and its really nice!) finally gives two 
sentences to the matter, which is way more than I can find anywhere 
else: "Whenever you池e designing OO systems, a good first step is to 
identify the things you池e dealing with. Typically each type of thing 
becomes a class in your final program, and the things themselves are 
instances of these classes."(p. 59)

I've been thinking only in terms of functions, things my program does, 
and not things it works on or with. Both are relevant, clearly, and I'm 
now out on a hunt for "things" that are more than functions. Maybe that 
will help.

Anyone have any additional advice about "when to make something a 
class?" The principle reasons I see are to achieve scope closure, 
persistent state, and object duplication (multiple instances). Did I 
miss anything important?

I come to the list with these questions only after days of struggle, 
with lots of code, some of it a rather nasty experience (errors I've 
never ever seen before!!!). The questions above are the ones I simply 
have not been able to resolve, and any help offered will be gratefully 
received.

Thanks,

Tom


The easier one (probably):

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