[#323782] Help with HTML parsing — Vivek Netha <vivnet@...>

Hello,

13 messages 2009/01/01

[#323881] Default values of hashes — Glenn <glenn_ritz@...>

Hi,

16 messages 2009/01/03

[#323906] VERY simple question about "?" — Tom Cloyd <tomcloyd@...>

I absolutely love Ruby, but...I've always found the subject of Ruby

25 messages 2009/01/04
[#323908] Re: VERY simple question about "?" — "F. Senault" <fred@...> 2009/01/04

Le 4 janvier 2009 12:58, Tom Cloyd a 馗rit :

[#323910] Re: VERY simple question about "?" — "Yaser Sulaiman" <yaserbuntu@...> 2009/01/04

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:34 PM, F. Senault <fred@lacave.net> wrote:

[#323913] Re: VERY simple question about "?" — Tom Cloyd <tomcloyd@...> 2009/01/04

Yaser Sulaiman wrote:

[#323920] Re: VERY simple question about "?" — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2009/01/04

On 04.01.2009 14:48, Tom Cloyd wrote:

[#323923] Re: VERY simple question about "?" — "Michael Guterl" <mguterl@...> 2009/01/04

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Robert Klemme

[#323924] Re: VERY simple question about "?" — "Robert Klemme" <shortcutter@...> 2009/01/04

2009/1/4 Michael Guterl <mguterl@gmail.com>:

[#323944] Re: VERY simple question about "?" — Tom Cloyd <tomcloyd@...> 2009/01/04

Robert Klemme wrote:

[#323956] How can I prevent require duplicate files — Zhao Yi <youhaodeyi@...>

In a big ruby project, how to prevent requiring a file multiple times?

12 messages 2009/01/05

[#324027] WANTED: need a real web API for rubyforge.org — Ryan Davis <ryand-ruby@...>

I just released version 1.0.2 of the rubyforge command line client. It

38 messages 2009/01/05
[#324040] Re: WANTED: need a real web API for rubyforge.org — Trans <transfire@...> 2009/01/06

[#324065] Re: WANTED: need a real web API for rubyforge.org — Tiago Nogueira <tjnogueira@...> 2009/01/06

Trans escreveu:

[#324145] Re: WANTED: need a real web API for rubyforge.org — "Gregory Brown" <gregory.t.brown@...> 2009/01/07

On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 6:08 AM, Tiago Nogueira <tjnogueira@oomaster.com> wrote:

[#324146] Re: WANTED: need a real web API for rubyforge.org — Tiago Nogueira <tjnogueira@...> 2009/01/07

Gregory Brown escreveu:

[#324152] Re: WANTED: need a real web API for rubyforge.org — "Gregory Brown" <gregory.t.brown@...> 2009/01/07

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Tiago Nogueira <tjnogueira@oomaster.com> wrote:

[#324155] Re: WANTED: need a real web API for rubyforge.org — Tiago Nogueira <tjnogueira@...> 2009/01/07

Gregory Brown escreveu:

[#324163] Re: WANTED: need a real web API for rubyforge.org — "Gregory Brown" <gregory.t.brown@...> 2009/01/07

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Tiago Nogueira <tjnogueira@oomaster.com> wrote:

[#324159] Re: WANTED: need a real web API for rubyforge.org — Marcelo <marcelo.magallon@...> 2009/01/07

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Tiago Nogueira <tjnogueira@oomaster.com> wrote:

[#324127] a good career choice ? — waterinmylungss@...

Hello, I am from the USA and I graduated last year with a BS. I've

23 messages 2009/01/07

[#324194] functional programming — "Haris Bogdanovic" <fbogdanovic@...>

Hi.

87 messages 2009/01/08
[#324498] Re: functional programming — pjb@... (Pascal J. Bourguignon) 2009/01/10

Brian Candler <b.candler@pobox.com> writes:

[#324502] Re: functional programming — Brian Candler <b.candler@...> 2009/01/10

Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote:

[#324340] How Ruby — Dhushyanth Ramasamy <r.dushyanth@...>

Well i read the posts on "Why ruby" now I wanted to know "How Ruby":

22 messages 2009/01/09
[#324341] Re: How Ruby — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...> 2009/01/09

My view is you start out simple and straightforward. There are no Police

[#324398] Q: most efficient way to remove duplicate spaces in a string? — Mark Watson <mark.watson@...>

I don't usually worry too much about efficiency unless runtime

14 messages 2009/01/09

[#324410] Behavior of 0 and 0.0... — Raphael Clancy <raphael.clancy@...>

I was playing around with the basic math functions, and I had some

16 messages 2009/01/09

[#324420] value of an expression? — Kedar Mhaswade <kedar.mhaswade@...>

Sorry if this is asked before and I could not find its answer. Take a

20 messages 2009/01/09

[#324519] Binding.of_caller examples don't work. — Doug <doug14@...>

I'm trying to use the Binding class in the extensions library

17 messages 2009/01/10

[#324561] reccommended work flow for unit tests and databases in ruby — Adam Akhtar <adamtemporary@...>

How does one go around creating unit tests for database tables during

15 messages 2009/01/11

[#324692] what's the rules re whether a Hash can use either a Symbol or String to reference the value??? — "Greg Hauptmann" <greg.hauptmann.ruby@...>

Hi,

9 messages 2009/01/12

[#324793] Returning a duplicate from an Array — Jeff Miller <loadeddesigns@...>

Hey guys,

12 messages 2009/01/13

[#324830] Higher order ruby — zslevi <zslevi@...>

foo = lambda {|x| lambda {|y| return x+y}}

13 messages 2009/01/14

[#324844] Why do true and false have separate classes — Ruby Rabbit <sentinel.2001@...>

This has puzzled me a bit. I googled and came up with responses like --

18 messages 2009/01/14

[#324870] Ncurses like library? — Tim Mcd <tmcdowell@...>

Excuse me, but does anyone know of an Ncurses-like library for Ruby? For

20 messages 2009/01/14

[#324898] 10 things to be aware of in 1.8 -> 1.9 transition — "David A. Black" <dblack@...>

Hi --

23 messages 2009/01/14

[#324935] Quizmaster Retiring: Revenge of the Sith — Matthew Moss <matt@...>

Sorry for the dorky subject line...

38 messages 2009/01/14
[#325027] Re: Quizmaster Retiring: Revenge of the Sith — "Martin DeMello" <martindemello@...> 2009/01/15

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:07 AM, Matthew Moss <matt@moss.name> wrote:

[#325055] Re: Quizmaster Retiring: Revenge of the Sith — "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@...> 2009/01/16

Sorry Matthew if I let some of our private discussions out here but I

[#325121] Re: Quizmaster Retiring: Revenge of the Sith — Matthew Moss <matt@...> 2009/01/16

> But it is interesting to note that we had quite some discussions and I

[#325123] Re: Quizmaster Retiring: Revenge of the Sith — "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@...> 2009/01/16

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Matthew Moss <matt@moss.name> wrote:

[#325144] Re: Quizmaster Retiring: Revenge of the Sith — "Daniel Moore" <yahivin@...> 2009/01/16

Hello Everyone,

[#325149] Re: Quizmaster Retiring: Revenge of the Sith — Matthew Moss <matt@...> 2009/01/16

[#325021] Desktop <-> Web — Trans <transfire@...>

I want to interface a desktop application to a backend web

19 messages 2009/01/15
[#325066] Re: Desktop <-> Web — Martin DeMello <martindemello@...> 2009/01/16

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Trans <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:

[#325046] RubyGem, find path of installed gem through ruby. — Aaron Smith <beingthexemplary@...>

Hey All,

11 messages 2009/01/16

[#325070] Describing degerate dna strings — George George <george.githinji@...>

I am working with strings of 4 letter alphabet a,c,t,g that describe

12 messages 2009/01/16

[#325114] How to refresh Image through ajax request — Kumar Saurav <saurav@...>

Hi all ,

13 messages 2009/01/16

[#325217] 1.8.6 OCI binary extension question — Tim Hunter <TimHunter@...>

I'm trying to build a new release of RMagick that is compatible with the

10 messages 2009/01/17

[#325218] Re: reading file to list — Xah Lee <xahlee@...>

comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.scheme,comp.lang.functional,comp.lang.python,comp.=

18 messages 2009/01/17

[#325234] If you use PDF::Writer, read this post! — Gregory Brown <gregory.t.brown@...>

I'm getting very few requests for features to add to Prawn that exist

19 messages 2009/01/18
[#325235] Re: If you use PDF::Writer, read this post! — Stefan Lang <perfectly.normal.hacker@...> 2009/01/18

2009/1/18 Gregory Brown <gregory.t.brown@gmail.com>:

[#325236] Re: If you use PDF::Writer, read this post! — Gregory Brown <gregory.t.brown@...> 2009/01/18

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Stefan Lang

[#325242] Re: If you use PDF::Writer, read this post! — Trans <transfire@...> 2009/01/18

[#325243] Re: If you use PDF::Writer, read this post! — Gregory Brown <gregory.t.brown@...> 2009/01/18

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Trans <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:

[#325254] Re: If you use PDF::Writer, read this post! — "Redd Vinylene" <reddvinylene@...> 2009/01/18

Does anybody use this stuff as an alternative to LaTeX?

[#325353] Converting binary image file to bmp file using RMagick2.0 — Kamaljeet Saini <kamaljeet_singh_saini@...>

We are trying to convert "image1.txt" file which is a binary file to

18 messages 2009/01/19
[#325495] Re: Converting binary image file to bmp file using RMagick2.0 — Heesob Park <phasis@...> 2009/01/21

Hi,

[#325629] Re: Converting binary image file to bmp file using RMagick2.0 — Kamaljeet Saini <kamaljeet_singh_saini@...> 2009/01/22

The above posting code worked fine for 704/480 binary to image file but

[#325417] Is it possible to install exe via ruby code ? — jazzez ravi <jazzezravi@...>

I have a exe file in c:/test.exe

13 messages 2009/01/20
[#325418] Re: Is it possible to install exe via ruby code ? — jazzez ravi <jazzezravi@...> 2009/01/20

Sorry for the wrong code in previous post

[#325542] String doesnt auto dup on modification — RK Sentinel <sentinel.2001@...>

I'm writing my first largeish app. One issue that gets me frequently is

34 messages 2009/01/21

[#325602] Separate random number generators? — Bart Braem <bart.braem@...>

For simulation work, I want to use multiple, independent random number

19 messages 2009/01/22

[#325649] Choosing the most appropiate Ruby version and programming model to develop a SIP server — Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@...>

Hi, I need to do a choice between the various Ruby versions (1.8, 1.9, JRub=

11 messages 2009/01/22
[#325675] Re: Choosing the most appropiate Ruby version and programming model to develop a SIP server — Brian Candler <b.candler@...> 2009/01/23

I単aki Baz Castillo wrote:

[#325683] Re: Choosing the most appropiate Ruby version and programming model to develop a SIP server — Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@...> 2009/01/23

2009/1/23 Brian Candler <b.candler@pobox.com>:

[#325652] How to receive data using socket programming — Kamaljeet Saini <kamaljeet_singh_saini@...>

Hi,

11 messages 2009/01/22

[#325668] Gathering Ruby Quiz 2 Data (#189) — Daniel Moore <yahivin@...>

Greetings!

12 messages 2009/01/23

[#325870] Need help for Ruby DBI and PostgreSQl — Manisha Tripathy <pujari.manisha@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2009/01/26

[#325921] nokogirl on ubuntu: failed to build gem native extension — Edouard Dantes <edrd.dantes@...>

Hi,

13 messages 2009/01/27

[#325971] Ruby interpreter not working — Will Dresh <w.dresh@...>

Hello,

14 messages 2009/01/27
[#325972] Re: Ruby interpreter not working — Stefano Crocco <stefano.crocco@...> 2009/01/27

Alle marted=C3=AC 27 gennaio 2009, Will Dresh ha scritto:

[#325973] Re: [initialize keyword] Ruby interpreter not working — Rodrigo Bermejo <rodrigo.bermejo@...> 2009/01/27

Stefano Crocco wrote:

[#325974] replacing callcc by catch/throw — Thomas Hafner <thomas@...>

Hello,

16 messages 2009/01/27

[#325983] Super User Can't Change UID? — James Gray <james@...>

Why would the super user not be able to switch UID's?

14 messages 2009/01/27

[#326070] Ruby on Solaris 10 performance problems — Colin Mackenzie <colmac@...>

We just installed ruby on a

18 messages 2009/01/28

[#326084] Bitwise question — "Andrew Barringer" <abarringer@...>

I'm working on a project that has a bitmap of permissions and I need to

14 messages 2009/01/28

[#326101] proper use of classes — Tom Cloyd <tomcloyd@...>

Greetings...

32 messages 2009/01/29
[#326439] Its a Free Language — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...> 2009/01/31

An attractive aspect of Ruby is how it is usually presented as agnostic

[#326461] Re: Its a Free Language — "Sean O'Halpin" <sean.ohalpin@...> 2009/02/01

On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Mike Stephens <rubfor@recitel.net> wrote:

[#326106] RDoc 2.3 now with Darkfish, without CHM and extra HTML templates — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net>

This release of RDoc brings some big changes. Most notably Michael =20

39 messages 2009/01/29
[#326250] Re: RDoc 2.3 now with Darkfish, without CHM and extra HTML templates — Clifford Heath <no@...> 2009/01/30

Eric Hodel wrote:

[#326262] Re: RDoc 2.3 now with Darkfish, without CHM and extra HTML templates — James Gray <james@...> 2009/01/30

On Jan 30, 2009, at 5:27 AM, Clifford Heath wrote:

[#326196] How to do a for loop...and iterate a set number of times? — Dan No <dan.cao.nguyen@...>

So painfully basic, but I'm just starting Ruby and am coming to it from

9 messages 2009/01/29

[#326241] Object#singleton_class in Ruby 1.9? — Suraj Kurapati <snk@...>

Hello,

48 messages 2009/01/30
[#326249] Re: Object#singleton_class in Ruby 1.9? — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2009/01/30

Hi --

[#326270] Re: Object#singleton_class in Ruby 1.9? — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2009/01/30

Hi,

[#326400] Re: Object#singleton_class in Ruby 1.9? — Robert Dober <robert.dober@...> 2009/01/31

On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org> wrote:

[#326415] Re: Object#singleton_class in Ruby 1.9? — Thomas Sawyer <transfire@...> 2009/01/31

Robert Dober wrote:

[#326460] Re: Object#singleton_class in Ruby 1.9? — "Sean O'Halpin" <sean.ohalpin@...> 2009/02/01

On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Thomas Sawyer <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:

[#326465] Re: Object#singleton_class in Ruby 1.9? — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2009/02/01

Hi --

[#326526] Re: Object#singleton_class in Ruby 1.9? — Thomas Sawyer <transfire@...> 2009/02/02

David A. Black wrote:

[#326276] Ruby 1.9.1 is released — "Yugui (Yuki Sonoda)" <yugui@...>

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51 messages 2009/01/30

[#326412] Array#to_h — Roger Pack <rogerpack2005@...>

Not that I would find it useful at all, but is there is a Hash#to_a

19 messages 2009/01/31

Re: a good career choice ?

From: Tim Greer <tim@...>
Date: 2009-01-09 04:39:40 UTC
List: ruby-talk #324332
Larz wrote:

>> Your entire response is based on your own opinions.  I don't recall
>> care if people like is dislike any certain language, but just like
>> saying people in other languages claim ruby is all hype, there are
>> those that buy into the claim that languages like Perl are fading
>> away -- especially when you say things like "I would never want to
>> work at a
>> company that wanted to develop some new app in perl."  That's
>> preposterous.  You can replace Perl in that sentence with PHP, C,
>> C++,
>> Python, Java, etc.  It's all personal view.
> 
>  It's my opinion when I am an employee, when management makes a
> decision, then it's not just an opinion, it's what you get stuck
> with.

You said you wouldn't want to work with a company that developed new
applications in Perl.  That has nothing to do with management, it has
to do with your opinion about Perl.  That's fine, but you used it as a
basis to say Perl was old technology.

>>
>> In fact, one could say the same thing about another language and use
>> "ruby" in the example of "never wanting to work at a company that
>> uses
>> ruby".  The passion, ignorance and arrogance regarding "language
>> wars"
>> goes both ways.  It's pretty short sighted to call Perl "old
>> technology" because you happen to like Ruby more.  I don't know why
>> people can't be more reasonable and less biased.  I prefer Perl, but
>> I'm not here talking badly about ruby -- I'm here because I use it,
>> too.  Therefore, there's no reason to get defensive or think you need
>> to slam another language.  Perl is hardly old, just because it's
>> older. Ruby has been around for a very long time as well, so I guess
>> by your logic, it's technically ran its course, too?
> 
>  It's only old because object oriented programming is an important
> modern paradigm.

OO existed before Perl, before PHP, before Python, Java, Ruby, etc.  Not
everything needs to be OO to be modern or worth using.

> I look it maybe like archery is old, guns are newer. 

That's a poor analogy.

> That maybe not a good example because I like archery, but in a real
> war you'd have to go with a gun.

Then we're talking about different gun brands.  They all shoot.

> OO enables you to write larger apps 
> that fit together more easily if you design the app correctly.

And if you design correctly, it doesn't have to be OO to fit together
easily.  Of course, I'm not debating the merits of OO.  I even said if
you want OO, ruby is a better choice than Perl.  So, what's the
argument about?

> Some 
> languages are older in that sense, but maybe it's not worth arguing
> about as if you are a programmer you might be biased and many people
> are ..

Everyone's "biased" to their own opinions.  You're biased about yours. 
I'm actually not being biased.  Factually, ruby is better for OO.  You
act like Perl is old news.  It's always being developed.  I'm not
trying to sell you on it, I don't care, but it's a falsehood to claim
it's some old technology that's a mistake to code in.  That's
ridiculous.  To you, it's not a good fit, that's fine.  Why not just
say that, instead of acting like your view is absolute?
 
> 
> 
>> Seriously, who cares?  No one said the OP should learn Perl instead
>> of ruby, and of course there will be support and bias toward ruby,
>> since
>> this is a ruby group.  It's all about choice and preference.  If you
>> want to get down to the base of the debate that appears to have
>> evolved from the question (big surprise there), then people shouldn't
>> be encouraged to use a different language just because someone else
>> finds it interesting, or because it is newer (that doesn't make it
>> better). That's usually the reason why, and people shouldn't drop the
>> idea of developing a project in languages they know well, just to
>> code in a
>> newer language someone else is excited about.  The project should be
>> coded the most efficient, secure and stable as possible, which means
>> sticking to what you know.  If you know ruby better, use ruby.  If
>> you
>> have the time and find ruby interesting, learn it anyway.  It never
>> hurts to get good at something you might not be good at now (in which
>> case a lot of people could actually benefit from learning Perl, or
>> PHP, or Java, if they know ruby and have the desire and motivation to
>> learn something else).
> 
> I can't argue with that except everyone may have their own agenda.

They may, and may not.

> You 
> might find it frustrating to learn something newer,

No, I don't.

> but it's not just 
> newer in that it was just invented, presumably languages are
> advancing ..

And Perl 6 is being developed as we speak.  Ruby is also being
developed.  They are both alive.

 
> 
>> As for legacy code, there are a lot of languages that have legacy
>> code,
>> some not very good -- and that includes ruby.  Some people can code
>> well and some can not.  Some people abandon code and some do not.  I
>> really fail to see how one has to do with another.  If you like heavy
>> OO type programming languages, then yeah, ruby would probably suit
>> you
>> better than Perl or PHP.  If you don't agree or don't care, then
>> there are a lot of other languages that work equally as well, which
>> aren't
>> going anywhere.  In closing, check the statistics and there are a lot
>> more larger sites that most people online use daily that are
>> developed in Perl (yes, new code developed today and more yesterday),
>> being so much for your theory that you'd not work for any company
>> that developed
>> new applications in Perl.  You may as well denounce any new
>> applications coded in Python, PHP, C, C++, Java, too.
> 
>  C, C++ are well suited for embedded and compiled apps, Java has it's
> place as well.

As ruby has its place, as PHP as its place, as Python has its place.
 
>> I get it, you
>> like ruby, you don't care for Perl, that's fine with me, but keep the
>> claims on level and fair.  There's no anti-ruby witch hunting in this
>> thread, so practice what you preach.  Since no one's coming up with
>> untrue reasons why ruby isn't for them, why state your opinion about
>> Perl as being factual?  Don't be so closed minded that you trash talk
>> languages you don't agree with, because it makes you no better than
>> the
>> Perl programmers you mention whom unfairly trash talk ruby.  They are
>> both good languages and neither are going anywhere.
> 
>  There are no doubt some highly talented and smart people that use
> Perl, it's not that perl is irrelevant, I didn't say that. Ruby will
> someday peak out as well ..

Okay, fair enough.  I got the impression you were making a claim that
Perl is on a definite and indefinite downturn, as if it as some old
archaic language that people shouldn't waste time with, and should
instead use ruby.  I apologize if I misunderstood your intent or
meaning.
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