[#246252] How to use standard library? — Jamal Soueidan <jkhaledsoueidan@...>

Hello,

18 messages 2007/04/01
[#246253] Re: How to use standard library? — Stefano Crocco <stefano.crocco@...> 2007/04/01

Alle domenica 1 aprile 2007, Jamal Soueidan ha scritto:

[#246263] Re: How to use standard library? — "Yamal Soueidan" <jkhaledsoueidan@...> 2007/04/01

Well, where does it identify its module and not a class?

[#246267] Re: How to use standard library? — Stefano Crocco <stefano.crocco@...> 2007/04/01

Alle domenica 1 aprile 2007, Yamal Soueidan ha scritto:

[#246368] Map Or Collect Redux — "RubyTalk@..." <rubytalk@...>

Looking in the old archives of ruby-talk I found a thread in 2005

11 messages 2007/04/02

[#246378] Test::Unit Reports — aidy.lewis@...

Hi,

23 messages 2007/04/02

[#246464] Last iteration condition — "Mike" <michaelst@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2007/04/03

[#246590] Everything is a object? — Jamal Soueidan <jkhaledsoueidan@...>

Hello,

40 messages 2007/04/03
[#246598] Re: Everything is a object? — Jamal Soueidan <jkhaledsoueidan@...> 2007/04/04

Jamal Soueidan wrote:

[#246600] Re: Everything is a object? — Gary Wright <gwtmp01@...> 2007/04/04

[#246601] Re: Everything is a object? — Jamal Soueidan <jkhaledsoueidan@...> 2007/04/04

Gary Wright wrote:

[#246614] fast XML parser, other than libxml — Peter Szinek <peter@...>

Hello all,

20 messages 2007/04/04
[#246615] Re: fast XML parser, other than libxml — "Keith Fahlgren" <keith@...> 2007/04/04

On 4/3/07, Peter Szinek <peter@rubyrailways.com> wrote:

[#246626] Re: fast XML parser, other than libxml — Peter Szinek <peter@...> 2007/04/04

Keith Fahlgren wrote:

[#246629] Re: fast XML parser, other than libxml — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2007/04/04

On 04.04.2007 10:53, Peter Szinek wrote:

[#246630] Re: fast XML parser, other than libxml — Peter Szinek <peter@...> 2007/04/04

Robert Klemme wrote:

[#246669] Problem Extracting Array Values — Dustin Anderson <rubyforum@...>

Hi All,

16 messages 2007/04/04
[#246672] Re: Problem Extracting Array Values — "ChrisH" <chris.hulan@...> 2007/04/04

On Apr 4, 10:02 am, Dustin Anderson <rubyfo...@dustinanderson.com>

[#246673] Re: Problem Extracting Array Values — "Ryan Leavengood" <leavengood@...> 2007/04/04

On 4/4/07, ChrisH <chris.hulan@gmail.com> wrote:

[#246679] Re: Problem Extracting Array Values — Dustin Anderson <rubyforum@...> 2007/04/04

[#246702] nil? and non-existent objects — "François Montel" <zerohalo@...>

Why is it that the nil? method can sometimes be called on an object that

12 messages 2007/04/04

[#246830] Redefining initialize while staying -w clean — "Daniel Berger" <djberg96@...>

Hi all,

11 messages 2007/04/05

[#246929] Getting to 100 (#119) — Ruby Quiz <james@...>

The three rules of Ruby Quiz:

57 messages 2007/04/06
[#247191] Re: Getting to 100 (#119) — "Carl Porth" <badcarl@...> 2007/04/08

here is my first pass:

[#247192] Re: Getting to 100 (#119) — "Carl Porth" <badcarl@...> 2007/04/08

After going back and reading the current solutions, I like Ken Bloom's

[#247215] Re: Getting to 100 (#119) — "Marcel Ward" <wardies@...> 2007/04/09

On 08/04/07, Carl Porth <badcarl@gmail.com> wrote:

[#246946] A few beginners questions — wannaberor <amldcc@...>

Guys,

15 messages 2007/04/06

[#247059] Question to all you newbies (others welcome) — SonOfLilit <sonoflilit@...>

Hello everyone,

40 messages 2007/04/07
[#247078] Re: Question to all you newbies (others welcome) — Michael Brooks <michael.brooks@...> 2007/04/07

SonOfLilit wrote:

[#247097] Re: Question to all you newbies (others welcome) — "ChrisKaelin" <ck.stonedragon@...> 2007/04/07

I totally agree, what people say about a single-entry-point: ruby-

[#247099] Re: Question to all you newbies (others welcome) — James Britt <james.britt@...> 2007/04/07

ChrisKaelin wrote:

[#247100] Re: Question to all you newbies (others welcome) — "Jeff" <cohen.jeff@...> 2007/04/07

On Apr 7, 4:30 pm, James Britt <james.br...@gmail.com> wrote:

[#247131] Minimum ruby installation. — "bino_oetomo" <bino@...> 2007/04/08

Dear Experts.

[#247151] Re: Minimum ruby installation. — Alex Young <alex@...> 2007/04/08

bino_oetomo wrote:

[#247062] rb_yield(), break, and C extensions — "Noah Easterly" <noah.easterly@...>

So, I'm working on a C extension.

11 messages 2007/04/07

[#247088] Trying to GET google with socket....problem — Hey You <r3madi@...>

Well I don't know why the socket can't connect to Google. Here is my

17 messages 2007/04/07

[#247155] code blocks and methods — andy <eps@...>

Hi,

13 messages 2007/04/08

[#247299] Infinate Loop - Please Advise — "Merrie" <merries@...>

This program produces an infinate loop. I am learning from Learn to =

13 messages 2007/04/09

[#247338] How to Write a Spelling Corrector — Brian Adkins <lojicdotcomNOSPAM@...>

Peter Norvig wrote a simple spelling corrector in 20 lines of Python 2.5,

12 messages 2007/04/10

[#247391] Slow ruby regexes — Emmanuel <emmanuel@...>

Hello i've been reading this article, wich has a few benchmarks

47 messages 2007/04/10
[#247402] Re: Slow ruby regexes — SonOfLilit <sonoflilit@...> 2007/04/10

Read wikipedia on Regex. It explains better than I can why one is used

[#247403] Re: Slow ruby regexes — MenTaLguY <mental@...> 2007/04/10

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 02:59:29 +0900, SonOfLilit <sonoflilit@gmail.com> wrote:

[#247409] Re: Slow ruby regexes — "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@...> 2007/04/10

On 4/10/07, MenTaLguY <mental@rydia.net> wrote:

[#247410] Re: Slow ruby regexes — MenTaLguY <mental@...> 2007/04/10

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 03:56:28 +0900, "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@gmail.com> wrote:

[#247455] Re: Slow ruby regexes — "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@...> 2007/04/11

On 4/10/07, MenTaLguY <mental@rydia.net> wrote:

[#247456] Re: Slow ruby regexes — "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@...> 2007/04/11

oops wrong button here :(

[#247499] Re: Slow ruby regexes — MenTaLguY <mental@...> 2007/04/11

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:53:26 +0900, "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@gmail.com> wrote:

[#247518] Re: Slow ruby regexes — "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@...> 2007/04/11

On 4/11/07, MenTaLguY <mental@rydia.net> wrote:

[#247541] Re: Slow ruby regexes — MenTaLguY <mental@...> 2007/04/11

On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 03:27:04 +0900, "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@gmail.com> wrote:

[#247608] Re: Slow ruby regexes — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2007/04/12

On 11.04.2007 22:51, MenTaLguY wrote:

[#247683] Re: Slow ruby regexes — MenTaLguY <mental@...> 2007/04/12

On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:10:06 +0900, Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> wrote:

[#247770] Re: Slow ruby regexes — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2007/04/13

On 12.04.2007 18:31, MenTaLguY wrote:

[#247398] ClothRed (HTML to Textile) — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...>

I'm pleased to announce, that I've begun working on a small library to

16 messages 2007/04/10
[#247526] Re: [ANN] ClothRed (HTML to Textile) — "Victor \"Zverok\" Shepelev" <vshepelev@...> 2007/04/11

From: Phillip Gawlowski [mailto:cmdjackryan@googlemail.com]

[#247436] NameError: uninitialized constant Date::ABBR_MONTHS — Jigar Gosar <jigar.gosar@...>

DATE::ABBR_MONTHS exists in this doc here.

13 messages 2007/04/11

[#247471] How come this doesn't work? — Hey You <r3madi@...>

require 'socket'

13 messages 2007/04/11

[#247622] What is your favourite IDE? — "ChrisKaelin" <ck.stonedragon@...>

I prefer using eclipse for it's freedom, ruby and svn plugins etc. But

95 messages 2007/04/12
[#247681] Re: What is your favourite IDE? — Todd Werth <twerth@...> 2007/04/12

ChrisKaelin wrote:

[#247980] Re: IDEs, syntactic vs. semantic highlighting, etc. — Tim X <timx@...> 2007/04/15

Chad Perrin <perrin@apotheon.com> writes:

[#247737] Re: What is your favourite IDE? — Vlad Ciubotariu <vcciubot@...> 2007/04/12

Is anyone using Activestate's Kodomo? I know activestate is a player in

[#247757] Re: What is your favourite IDE? — "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" <znmeb@...> 2007/04/13

Vlad Ciubotariu wrote:

[#247913] Re: What is your favourite IDE? Eclipse DLTK! — Tim X <timx@...> 2007/04/14

Todd Werth <twerth@infinitered.com> writes:

[#247636] Re: What is your favourite IDE? — "Alexey Kalmykov" <akalmykov@...>

15 messages 2007/04/12

[#247725] SNMP agent library? — "Marcus Bristav" <marcus.bristav@...>

I need to write an SNMP agent (raise traps and expose MIBs). Is there

15 messages 2007/04/12
[#247741] Re: SNMP agent library? — "Francis Cianfrocca" <garbagecat10@...> 2007/04/13

On 4/12/07, Marcus Bristav <marcus.bristav@gmail.com> wrote:

[#247790] Re: SNMP agent library? — "Marcus Bristav" <marcus.bristav@...> 2007/04/13

Hi Francis,

[#247809] Re: SNMP agent library? — "Francis Cianfrocca" <garbagecat10@...> 2007/04/13

On 4/13/07, Marcus Bristav <marcus.bristav@gmail.com> wrote:

[#247760] Idiom wanted (now hiring!) — Jonathan <terhorst@...>

Is there a cool way to do this without calling the function twice?:

28 messages 2007/04/13
[#247767] Re: Idiom wanted (now hiring!) — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2007/04/13

Jonathan wrote:

[#247783] Re: Idiom wanted (now hiring!) — "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@...> 2007/04/13

On 4/13/07, Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@path.berkeley.edu> wrote:

[#247805] Magic Fingers (#120) — Ruby Quiz <james@...>

The three rules of Ruby Quiz:

14 messages 2007/04/13

[#247974] executing a system command and stopping it after a specified duration? — Robert La Ferla <robertlaferla@...>

I'd like to run a system command and then stop it after specified

9 messages 2007/04/15

[#248026] translate Perl diamond operator to Ruby — Chad Perrin <perrin@...>

Over the years, I've found the following to be an excellent way to whip

13 messages 2007/04/15

[#248151] factorial in ruby — "Trans" <transfire@...>

Is factorial defined anywhere in Ruby's core or standard library. If

21 messages 2007/04/16
[#248154] Re: factorial in ruby — "Jason Roelofs" <jameskilton@...> 2007/04/16

No and most likely not.

[#248245] Timeout errors using Net::HTTP on Windows — Toby DiPasquale <toby@...>

Hi all,

12 messages 2007/04/17

[#248255] new — "poison tooth" <fixxie.wits@...>

Im just learning ruby and im stuck the guide im using says

17 messages 2007/04/17

[#248263] how to have a default argument — "shawn bright" <nephish@...>

hello all,

11 messages 2007/04/17

[#248384] ruby scripting on microsoft active directory plus exchange — Pe, Botp <botp@...>

Hi All,

16 messages 2007/04/19
[#248445] Re: ruby scripting on microsoft active directory plus exchange — "Glen Holcomb" <damnbigman@...> 2007/04/19

I would recommend looking at Net::LDAP: gem install ruby-net-ldap

[#248463] Re: ruby scripting on microsoft active directory plus exchange — "Ball, Donald A Jr (Library)" <donald.ball@...> 2007/04/19

> I would recommend looking at Net::LDAP: gem install ruby-net-ldap

[#248516] what does this code do ? from libxml schema-test.rb ??? — "aktxyz@..." <aktxyz@...>

At the bottom of the schema-test.rb in the libxml gem, there is this

13 messages 2007/04/20
[#248522] Re: what does this code do ? from libxml schema-test.rb ??? — Reuben Grinberg <reuben.grinberg@...> 2007/04/20

aktxyz@gmail.com wrote:

[#248546] Morse Code (#121) — Ruby Quiz <james@...>

The three rules of Ruby Quiz:

32 messages 2007/04/20

[#248629] Tracking down a garbage collection problem — Wincent Colaiuta <win@...>

I'm trying to work out ways to reduce the memory use of one of my

12 messages 2007/04/21

[#248680] GameR 0.2 is out — Wim Vander Schelden <wim.vanderschelden@...>

I've released GameR, a small and simple game development framework for Ruby.

13 messages 2007/04/22

[#248744] Arrow operator with dash instead of equals (->) — Andrew Green <ndrw_grn@...>

Hi, all,

16 messages 2007/04/22
[#248747] Re: Arrow operator with dash instead of equals (->) — Timothy Hunter <TimHunter@...> 2007/04/22

Andrew Green wrote:

[#248750] Re: Arrow operator with dash instead of equals (->) — Andrew Green <ndrw_grn@...> 2007/04/23

> > Is it possible to use -> as a method name in Ruby?

[#248762] Question regarding design of the String Class — "Michael W. Ryder" <_mwryder@...>

Was there a reason the string class was implemented with str[i]

21 messages 2007/04/23
[#248774] Re: Question regarding design of the String Class — Daniel Martin <martin@...> 2007/04/23

"Michael W. Ryder" <_mwryder@worldnet.att.net> writes:

[#248777] Ruby Reports 1.0 RC1 (0.10.0) — "Gregory Brown" <gregory.t.brown@...>

== Ruby Reports 1.0, Release Candidate 1 (0.10.0) ==

13 messages 2007/04/23

[#248814] unix zcat with ruby? — music <music@...>

I have to read in many files.

14 messages 2007/04/23

[#248862] ruby and C — "smc smc" <fixxie.wits@...>

Would it be easier to learn ruby if i knew C/C+/C++ or the other way around?

14 messages 2007/04/24

[#248981] file-find 0.1.0 — Daniel Berger <djberg96@...>

Hi all,

18 messages 2007/04/24
[#248984] Re: [ANN] file-find 0.1.0 — "Leslie Viljoen" <leslieviljoen@...> 2007/04/24

On 4/24/07, Daniel Berger <djberg96@gmail.com> wrote:

[#248993] Re: [ANN] file-find 0.1.0 — "Daniel Berger" <djberg96@...> 2007/04/24

On 4/24/07, Leslie Viljoen <leslieviljoen@gmail.com> wrote:

[#249027] Using Watir and Ruby2Exe together — Jim Clark <diegoslice@...>

I've been asked to help solve a browser issue that I think Watir and

13 messages 2007/04/25

[#249034] C++ code into Ruby, I need it fast, no time for RTFM — Andrei Ursan <steelheart222@...>

[code]

41 messages 2007/04/25
[#249041] Re: C++ code into Ruby, I need it fast, no time for RTFM — John Joyce <dangerwillrobinsondanger@...> 2007/04/25

[#249043] Re: C++ code into Ruby, I need it fast, no time for RTFM — Andrei Ursan <steelheart222@...> 2007/04/25

> Translate this for me, right now. No, by yesterday. == A time when

[#249044] Re: C++ code into Ruby, I need it fast, no time for RTFM — "David Jones" <tafftoo@...> 2007/04/25

There are still ways to ask for things.

[#249060] Is it possible to make system use bash instead of sh? — Wai Tsang <simotsa@...>

Hi,

12 messages 2007/04/25

[#249076] DHH vs. WHY style — Trans <transfire@...>

Like to know others general opinions on having a comprehensive library

35 messages 2007/04/25

[#249226] 10 millisecond delay/callback — Earle Clubb <eclubb@...>

I need to perform a task every 10ms. I've been using

21 messages 2007/04/26
[#249228] Re: 10 millisecond delay/callback — khaines@... 2007/04/26

On Fri, 27 Apr 2007, Earle Clubb wrote:

[#249238] Using Ruby in a Corporate Environment — Steve Molitor <stevemolitor@...>

---------- Forwarded message ----------

10 messages 2007/04/26

[#249268] Looking for thoughts and opinions on Ruport, and reporting in Ruby in general. — "Gregory Brown" <gregory.t.brown@...>

Hi Folks,

24 messages 2007/04/27
[#249334] Re: Looking for thoughts and opinions on Ruport, and reporting in Ruby in general. — "Lyle Johnson" <lyle.johnson@...> 2007/04/27

On 4/27/07, Gregory Brown <gregory.t.brown@gmail.com> wrote:

[#249338] Re: Looking for thoughts and opinions on Ruport, and reporting in Ruby in general. — "Jamey Cribbs" <jcribbs@...> 2007/04/27

Lyle Johnson wrote:

[#249340] Re: Looking for thoughts and opinions on Ruport, and reporting in Ruby in general. — "Gregory Brown" <gregory.t.brown@...> 2007/04/27

On 4/27/07, Jamey Cribbs <jcribbs@netpromi.com> wrote:

[#249342] Re: Looking for thoughts and opinions on Ruport, and reporting in Ruby in general. — John Joyce <dangerwillrobinsondanger@...> 2007/04/27

[#249343] Re: Looking for thoughts and opinions on Ruport, and reporting in Ruby in general. — "Gregory Brown" <gregory.t.brown@...> 2007/04/27

On 4/27/07, John Joyce <dangerwillrobinsondanger@gmail.com> wrote:

[#249347] Re: Looking for thoughts and opinions on Ruport, and reporting in Ruby in general. — John Joyce <dangerwillrobinsondanger@...> 2007/04/27

[#249269] Output A File w/ Line Numbers? — John Joyce <dangerwillrobinsondanger@...>

I'd like to read a file and output its contents (just to terminal is

18 messages 2007/04/27
[#249414] Re: Output A File w/ Line Numbers? — "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@...> 2007/04/28

On 4/27/07, John Joyce <dangerwillrobinsondanger@gmail.com> wrote:

[#249274] string replacement... — Josselin <josselin@...>

I have a string : str = "/proposal/list/31551"

15 messages 2007/04/27

[#249315] Checking Credit Cards (#122) — Ruby Quiz <james@...>

The three rules of Ruby Quiz:

65 messages 2007/04/27

[#249430] cyclic array — Josselin <josselin@...>

I would like to print n elements from an Array in a cyclic way.

18 messages 2007/04/28

[#249524] Array.which_long? ( I coded an extension for Array ) — "Billy Hsu" <ruby.maillist@...>

Hi, I'm CFC

31 messages 2007/04/29
[#249526] Re: Array.which_long? ( I coded an extension for Array ) — "Chris Carter" <cdcarter@...> 2007/04/29

On 4/29/07, Billy Hsu <ruby.maillist@gmail.com> wrote:

[#249664] Re: Array.which_long? ( I coded an extension for Array ) — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2007/04/30

On 29.04.2007 16:11, Chris Carter wrote:

[#249667] Re: Array.which_long? ( I coded an extension for Array ) — "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@...> 2007/04/30

On 4/30/07, Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> wrote:

[#249670] Re: Array.which_long? ( I coded an extension for Array ) — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2007/04/30

On 30.04.2007 12:39, Robert Dober wrote:

[#249688] Re: Array.which_long? ( I coded an extension for Array ) — "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@...> 2007/04/30

On 4/30/07, Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> wrote:

[#249527] Re: Array.which_long? ( I coded an extension for Array ) — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2007/04/29

Hi --

[#249531] Re: Array.which_long? ( I coded an extension for Array ) — "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@...> 2007/04/29

On 4/29/07, David A. Black <dblack@wobblini.net> wrote:

[#249532] Re: Array.which_long? ( I coded an extension for Array ) — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2007/04/29

Hi --

[#249587] Class Level Variables — Cory <coryw@...>

Alright, I'm missing some core ruby concept here that I just can't

23 messages 2007/04/30
[#249589] Re: Class Level Variables — Ari Brown <ari@...> 2007/04/30

[#249603] sorting by rand? — seebs@... (Peter Seebach)

Browsing something at a bookstore recently, I saw an example of

22 messages 2007/04/30

[#249689] RoR how does scaffold work? — anansi <kazaam@...>

Hi,

17 messages 2007/04/30

[#249691] ruby and true — aidy.lewis@...

Hi,

16 messages 2007/04/30

[#249759] relocatable ruby distribution — "fkc_email-news @ yahoo dot com" <fkchang2000@...>

Hi All:

11 messages 2007/04/30

Re: Ideas about Smalltalk-like IDE for Ruby

From: Mike Austin <noone@...>
Date: 2007-04-10 22:05:06 UTC
List: ruby-talk #247426
This thread is getting older, but wanted to mention a project I've been working 
on called Inertia:

http://www.mike-austin.com/inertia/index.html

I just started working on it again lately, and looking for more ideas.

Mike

Rick DeNatale wrote:
> On 3/18/07, richard.j.dale@gmail.com <richard.j.dale@gmail.com> wrote
> in another thread proposing items for a Google SOC project.
> 
>> - Interactive visual irb. Like a Smalltalk environment I think ruby
>> projects
>> should be developed against an always running program. This makes
>> code
>> completion much easier as we can use ruby's runtime introspection
>> instead of
>> faking it with a combination of a static parser and guesswork. Can
>> this be
>> done if the language is text based, rather than image based like
>> Smalltalk?
>> How do we save state in between sessions?
> 
> This is an intriguing idea.  I'd love to have a Smalltalk-like IDE for
> Ruby.  I think that there are issues which make this an interesting
> (i.e. difficult) task, so it might be worthwhile to discuss those
> issues.
> 
> For those who aren't familiar with Smalltalk, most Smalltalk
> implementations combine run-time with the development environment.
> That is to say that the development tools (browser/editors, debugger,
> object inspectors, ...) are written in Smalltalk and run in the same
> process as the code under development.  This gives a great deal of
> power to the ide, for example in Smalltalk, it's quite possible (and
> common) to run your code, and when it brings up the debugger on an
> exception or a breakpoint, edit the source code IN THE DEBUGGER,
> maintaining as much ofthe execution state of the program as is
> possible given the point on the execution stack of the change.  Then
> you can continue excution.  I'll call this the 'always running'
> feature.
> 
> Another feature of most Smalltalk environments is that the running
> state is persistent,   When you leave the environment you can save the
> memory image, and when you come back everything is as it was,
> including instantiated objects, and the state of any threads which
> were running/suspended at the time of image save.
> 
> Another feature was that in traditional Smalltalk implementations,
> source code was saved in the image, usually via offsets in the methods
> to a 'changes' file.  The system kept every edit of every method and
> class definition, both to give an audit trail, and to allow recovery.
> 
> I think that this is what Richard is hinting about when he talks about
> an 'image-based' vs. 'file-based' language.  I'd say that this is a
> feature of the development environment rather than the language
> per-se.  It's really an issue of just how integrated the I in IDE is.
> Most IDEs today are really just extensions of the 'emacs as shell'
> idea, in that they are editors with the ability to invoke and interact
> with other development tools to a greater of lesser extent.  Smalltalk
> ides tended to be integrated in that they subsumed the functions of
> most if not all of those other tools.
> 
> Now these features have both good and bad aspects.  From a developer's
> perspective.  It gives great freedom and power.  On the other hand it
> poses issues for deployment.  Tools were needed to strip the image of
> the development tools if you wanted to ship a streamlined application.
> 
> Another issue is/was that the source code system didn't play well with
> other source control/configuration management tools.  To a large
> extent, the Smalltalk community went its own way on this one,
> extending the change file/log approache with Smalltak based SC/SM
> solutions to allow team development and tailoring Smalltalk
> applications to a particular platform or environment.  Probably the
> most popular of these extensions was Envy/Developer from OTI which
> kept source code in a repository. Rather than a check-out/check-in
> model with optimistic locking a la CVC or SVN, Envy saved every edit
> in the repository. The equivalent of checking out was to mark the
> current set of edits in a developers image with a tag.
> 
> I think that this 'file-based' vs. 'image-based' question can be
> separated from the other issues. Of course if you want to be able to
> save execution state in an image, it's probably important to be able
> to keep track of what the current source code is whether it's stored
> in files/a repository/or someplace else.
> 
> But I digress.  The real issues which interest me in starting this
> thread are those which revolve around making an ide for Ruby with the
> 'always running' features of the Smalltalk IDE.  One issue I see here
> is that Ruby as it stands right now doesn't really have a strong
> enough introspection model of the execution state.  For example,
> walkbacks are strictly textual, whereas in Smalltalk the development
> environment could obtain objects from the VM which represented the
> execution stack and could be manipulated by tools like the debugger.
> 
> Richard also brings up the idea of using run-time introspection as an
> aid to features like code-completion.  FIrst let me say that I can't
> really recall much support for code-completion in Smalltalk
> environments.  What they typically provided was the ability to select
> text in a browser and ask for an 'explanation' which told you as much
> as could be determined about a variable, message, etc.  You could also
> do things like finding all senders of a message you were looking at
> (what this really means is that you are looking at say Foo#bar it
> would show you every method which invoked bar against any receiver),
> or find all the implementors of the methods, or find the
> senders/implementors of any methods sent by the methods being browsed,
> etc.  The problem of code completion in both Smalltalk and Ruby is
> that if you are looking just at the source you really don't know all
> the possible bindings of a variable to objects.  If you are looking at
> a stack frame in the debugger, you know the current binding so you
> could do code completion based on the current object, but I don't see
> that as a general solution.
> 
> And of course Ruby ups the ante here because it's got a much more
> dynamic notion of objects, including singleton methods, dynamically
> created instance variables, modules ...
> 
> Saving the state between runs likely requires support from the
> interpreter/VM, it's really a matter of saving a relocatable memory
> dump, then having the VM load and relocate the image on startup and
> restore execution state from the relocated image.
> 
> And I'd see this not as a simple 'interactive visual irb.' As useful
> as irb is, it's really not a good basis for an IDE, I see it as a nice
> eval-print-loop tool for trying out ideas, but an IDE needs lots more,
> the function which irb brings to the table is pretty small in
> comparison to the whole job that I'd think it would be better to start
> from scratch here.
> 
> Now, I'm not trying to throw cold water on this idea, I'm actually
> quite interested in a discussion of how some of these issues could be
> attacked so as to get a more dynamic IDE for Ruby.

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