From: Philip Gatt <gattster@...>
Date: 2007-04-27T18:17:02+09:00
Subject: Re: C++ code into Ruby, I need it fast, no time for RTFM

I'm a long time ruby user, but I just joined this list tonight. It's  
disappointing to see drama already. I hope this is not the norm.

- Philip

On Apr 27, 2007, at 1:41 AM, John Joyce wrote:

>
> On Apr 27, 2007, at 5:05 PM, Robert Dober wrote:
>
>> On 4/26/07, Chris Carter <cdcarter@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 4/26/07, Michael T. Richter <ttmrichter@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >  On Wed, 2007-25-04 at 21:12 +0900, David Jones wrote:
>>> >
>>> > There are still ways to ask for things.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > And those ways vary by culture.  Andrei is painfully obviously  
>>> not a
>>> > native English speaker.  Cut the guy some slack.  What happened  
>>> to the whole
>>> > "Matz Is Nice So...." meme that supposedly dominates this  
>>> community?
>>> >
>>> >   --
>>> > *Michael T. Richter* <ttmrichter@gmail.com> (*GoogleTalk:*
>>> > ttmrichter@gmail.com)
>>> > *A well-designed and humane interface does not need to be split  
>>> into
>>> > beginner and expert subsystems. (Jef Raskin)*
>>> >
>>> >
>>> I agree, this mailing list seems to be getting a lot more hostile  
>>> towards
>>> people new to ruby.  Posting a link to google or how to ask  
>>> questions, or
>>> making a snide remark about how they format their messages is not  
>>> going to
>>> get people into ruby.  I know if someone just posted a link to  
>>> google with
>>> nothing else if I asked a question about a new language, I would  
>>> be turned
>>> off from it, even if I could have asked it better.
>> Hmm are you not exaggerating a bit?
>> I was *very* amused that OP got answers at all!
>> Personally I feel that this is still a great community and that this
>> community should not stretch to be more popular at any cost.
>> I had pretty much preferred to ignore that post but others decided,
>> very honorably, to tell OP to change his attitude if he wants to
>> obtain something.
>> I think that your statement "could have asked it better" is the
>> euphemism of the month ;).
>> Cheers
>> Robert
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> You see things; and you say Why?
>> But I dream things that never were; and I say Why not?
>> -- George Bernard Shaw
>>
> Not to harp on the issue, but had the same post gone to C or C++  
> mailing-list, it would've been flamed only with no solutions. The  
> beauty of the Ruby world is that (in the words of Masayoshi  
> Takahashi, of Ruby Kaigi) "Ruby is for lazy people" "java and c++  
> are for diligent people". It means Ruby is fun and not painful like  
> many languages, so people actually enjoy responding to the list and  
> trying to make nice code!
> The culture of those other languages tends to be the anal- 
> retentive, I'm-smarter-than-you, RTFM attitude.
> In Ruby, RTFM is RTWFM, where W = wonderful. Unlike those other  
> languages, this stuff isn't terse and most of the books are good  
> ones. (Nothing is more annoying to me than being referred to K&R2,  
> one of the least accessible texts I've ever read, even though it  
> does have a wealth of good information in it.)
>