[#379166] question: threads behaviour — Raphael Bauduin <rblists@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2011/03/01

[#379190] exec using sh -c or directly running the command, depending on the system — Xavier No謖le <xavier.noelle@...>

Hello !

8 messages 2011/03/01

[#379261] How can i get the first letter of this string — duc nguyen <minhduct4@...>

Hello, i'm a newbie. I have a question that how can i get the first

10 messages 2011/03/03

[#379285] Extracting the shortest string from an array — Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@...>

Hi, given the following array:

12 messages 2011/03/03

[#379299] How to assign an element to a hash only if its value is not nil? — "Thomas W." <thomas@...>

hash = {}

13 messages 2011/03/03

[#379327] extconf.rb spitting out SH Makefile on windows? — Mr Eiland <mreiland1978@...>

Title says it all, I'm running ruby extconf.rb in a visual studio 2008

18 messages 2011/03/03
[#379883] Re: extconf.rb spitting out SH Makefile on windows? — Luis Lavena <luislavena@...> 2011/03/15

On Mar 15, 3:09m, Mr Eiland <mreiland1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[#379410] Ruby - Missed some core computer science world ? — Lucky Dev <lucky.developer@...>

I am doing ruby programming and been developing rails3 apps for some

16 messages 2011/03/06

[#379423] How to get class of BasicObject ancestor (Ruby 1.9.2)? — Alexey Petrushin <axyd80@...>

There's no :class method on BasicObject, is there any way to get class

9 messages 2011/03/06

[#379430] (ArgumentError) - in `initialize': wrong number of arguments (4 for 0) — Micah Wolfe <52w7te9ara@...>

Greetings all,

12 messages 2011/03/06

[#379469] basic programming question, help please — Kaye Ng <sbstn26@...>

class Square

17 messages 2011/03/07
[#379471] Re: basic programming question, help please — Mayank Kohaley <mayank.kohaley@...> 2011/03/07

The class method in Ruby is represented using self.<method name> or <class

[#379487] http post and authorization header for twitter — boo boo <s.w.timko@...>

I am trying to send an authorization header to the twitter api

16 messages 2011/03/07

[#379524] Duplicate methods removal in Ruby's TODO ? — David Unric <dunric29a@...>

Hi,

15 messages 2011/03/08

[#379597] Comparison between C++ and Ruby Variables — "Mayank K." <mayank.kohaley@...>

I have blogged about the comparison between c++ and ruby variables and

10 messages 2011/03/09

[#379686] What do you use with Ruby for GUI programming and why? — Robert <sigzero@...>

Is there a push to one toolkit or the other?

29 messages 2011/03/11
[#379713] Re: What do you use with Ruby for GUI programming and why? — Steve Klabnik <steve@...> 2011/03/11

I use Shoes. I'm biased; I'm one of the maintainers.

[#379715] Re: What do you use with Ruby for GUI programming and why? — Shadowfirebird <shadowfirebird@...> 2011/03/11

> I use Shoes. I'm biased; I'm one of the maintainers.

[#379755] send() with a block? — 7stud -- <bbxx789_05ss@...>

Why don't the ruby docs say that send() can take a block?

23 messages 2011/03/12
[#379756] Re: send() with a block? — "Sean O'Halpin" <sean.ohalpin@...> 2011/03/12

On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 8:45 PM, 7stud -- <bbxx789_05ss@yahoo.com> wrote:

[#379757] Re: send() with a block? — Peter Zotov <whitequark@...> 2011/03/12

On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 06:01:31 +0900, Sean O'Halpin wrote:

[#379845] Ruby jobs — Toby Gambill <toby.gambill@...>

All

25 messages 2011/03/14
[#379860] Re: Ruby jobs — Shadowfirebird <shadowfirebird@...> 2011/03/15

> I have several great jobs around the country for ruby developers please contact me on my cell if you would like to hear more about these positions

[#379846] Understanding YAML and this practice in general — Fily Salas <fs_tigre@...>

Hi,

12 messages 2011/03/15

[#379889] SHA1 Decryption!! — Gormare Kalss <gormare@...>

Hello! I hope that no one will be offended by this question!! Ive been

12 messages 2011/03/15

[#379945] TCPSocket: how to realize that the other endpoint has closed the connection? — Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@...>

Hi, I open a TCP connection with a server:

10 messages 2011/03/16

[#379998] Inserting hash value slows down as table gets larger — Philip Rhoades <phil@...>

People,

11 messages 2011/03/17

[#380037] matching a word in any number of characters — Chad Perrin <code@...>

I have need of some code to match any of a number of words in any number

12 messages 2011/03/18

[#380074] Method Call from inside a file. — Tridib Bandopadhyay <tridib04@...>

I coded a new method within gc.c file defining as--

11 messages 2011/03/19

[#380085] A question about Ruby 1.9's "external encoding" — Albert Schlef <albertschlef@...>

I have the following program:

11 messages 2011/03/20

[#380116] The best practices to learn Ruby — Fily Salas <fs_tigre@...>

Hi,

22 messages 2011/03/20

[#380205] How could I make the Ruby 1.9 string ignore the invalid utf-8 byte sequence in split? — Stanley Xu <wenhao.xu@...>

Dear buddies,

8 messages 2011/03/22

[#380220] Ruby corrupts after a period of time — Chip Burke <cburke@...>

I have recently upgraded from Ruby 1.8.7 to 1.9.2p180 on Fedora. After a

19 messages 2011/03/22

[#380262] Converting PHP to Ruby — "Jack W." <jack.whitman403@...>

Hi all,

13 messages 2011/03/23

[#380306] shortcut for add unless nil ? — Iain Barnett <iainspeed@...>

Hi,

24 messages 2011/03/24
[#380308] Re: shortcut for add unless nil ? — Xavier Noria <fxn@...> 2011/03/24

You could do something like this (untested):

[#380339] Re: shortcut for add unless nil ? — Iain Barnett <iainspeed@...> 2011/03/25

[#380347] Re: shortcut for add unless nil ? — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2011/03/25

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 7:02 AM, Iain Barnett <iainspeed@gmail.com> wrote:

[#380369] Re: shortcut for add unless nil ? — Colin Bartlett <colinb2r@...> 2011/03/25

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Robert Klemme

[#380382] Re: shortcut for add unless nil ? — Iain Barnett <iainspeed@...> 2011/03/25

[#380385] Re: shortcut for add unless nil ? — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2011/03/25

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Iain Barnett <iainspeed@gmail.com> wrote:

[#380389] Re: shortcut for add unless nil ? — Iain Barnett <iainspeed@...> 2011/03/25

[#380394] Re: shortcut for add unless nil ? — serialhex <serialhex@...> 2011/03/25

...personally i think it would be nice to be able to define new operators

[#380325] Regexp, matching only the content within parentheses — Emil Kampp <ekampp@...>

Hi.

12 messages 2011/03/24

[#380359] How to get the value of a singleton class? — Joey Zhou <yimutang@...>

Here is a sample code:

14 messages 2011/03/25
[#380360] Re: How to get the value of a singleton class? — Robert Dober <robert.dober@...> 2011/03/25

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Joey Zhou <yimutang@gmail.com> wrote:

[#380361] Do I need to upgrade to the latest version of Ruby — Fily Salas <fs_tigre@...>

Hi,

10 messages 2011/03/25

[#380368] Dynamic classes — PsiPro <arjesins@...>

So I am working on some metaprograming and have some questions about

13 messages 2011/03/25

[#380401] How to "find" new lines — Damir Sigur <damir@...>

I am new to ruby, and was trying to make a small code which would check

12 messages 2011/03/25

[#380520] A two-minute Ruby flavoured survey to help shape a new service. — "Mic P." <micpringle@...>

Please take a few seconds to fill out the following survey ...

12 messages 2011/03/28
[#380528] Re: A two-minute Ruby flavoured survey to help shape a new service. — Chad Perrin <code@...> 2011/03/28

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 03:46:17AM +0900, Mic P. wrote:

[#380558] Why can a floating point number be used as an array index? — Jeff Dik <s450r1@...>

Why can a floating point number be used as an array index? Anybody

11 messages 2011/03/29

[#380573] Encoding issues when parsing HTML in 1.9 — ctdev <ctdev421@...>

Hi, I'm having some encoding problems while parsing HTML with Nokogiri

12 messages 2011/03/30

[#380586] functional paradigm taking over — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...>

Hi,

133 messages 2011/03/30
[#380593] Lambda Shambda — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...> 2011/03/30

Although a Ruby fan, I must say I'm spending all my time looking at

[#380612] Re: Lambda Shambda — Chad Perrin <code@...> 2011/03/30

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 06:38:19PM +0900, Mike Stephens wrote:

[#380617] Re: Lambda Shambda — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2011/03/30

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Chad Perrin <code@apotheon.net> wrote:

[#380641] Re: Lambda Shambda — Chad Perrin <code@...> 2011/03/30

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:19:25AM +0900, Robert Klemme wrote:

[#380664] Re: Lambda Shambda — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2011/03/31

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 1:24 AM, Chad Perrin <code@apotheon.net> wrote:

[#380669] Re: Lambda Shambda — Chad Perrin <code@...> 2011/03/31

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:30:07PM +0900, Phillip Gawlowski wrote:

[#380683] Re: Lambda Shambda — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...> 2011/03/31

Chad Perrin wrote in post #990130:

[#380812] Re: Lambda Shambda — Josh Cheek <josh.cheek@...> 2011/04/02

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 5:08 AM, Mike Stephens <rubfor@recitel.net> wrote:

[#380825] Re: Lambda Shambda — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...> 2011/04/03

Josh Cheek wrote in post #990579:

[#380831] Re: Lambda Shambda — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2011/04/03

On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 7:29 AM, Mike Stephens <rubfor@recitel.net> wrote:

[#380839] Re: Lambda Shambda — Everett L Williams II <rett@...> 2011/04/03

*Let's not pay too much attention to the code snobs on here. I've yet to

[#380840] Re: Lambda Shambda — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2011/04/03

On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Everett L Williams II

[#380893] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...> 2011/04/04

This thread has been touching upon three issues - functional languages

[#380907] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Everett L Williams II <rett@...> 2011/04/04

*Mike,*

[#380910] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Johnny Morrice <spoon@...> 2011/04/04

> But, as I have said, I have seen some absolutely

[#380913] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Johnny Morrice <spoon@...> 2011/04/04

> I've seen some absolutely amazing things done with befunge! Networked

[#380925] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Chad Perrin <code@...> 2011/04/04

On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 09:29:13PM +0900, Johnny Morrice wrote:

[#380926] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Johnny Morrice <spoon@...> 2011/04/04

> I have not seen "befunge" as a euphemism for brainfuck before. Is

[#380933] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Chad Perrin <code@...> 2011/04/04

On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 12:42:20AM +0900, Johnny Morrice wrote:

[#381261] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Robert Dober <robert.dober@...> 2011/04/10

On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Chad Perrin <code@apotheon.net> wrote:

[#381324] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Kevin <darkintent@...> 2011/04/12

Aren't all programs languages as the program describes a particular problem

[#381330] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2011/04/12

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 8:18 AM, Kevin <darkintent@gmail.com> wrote:

[#381331] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Kevin <darkintent@...> 2011/04/12

No I'm not confusing them, all programs provide the vocabulary (Means of

[#381356] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Chad Perrin <code@...> 2011/04/12

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 04:47:17PM +0900, Kevin wrote:

[#381400] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Kevin <darkintent@...> 2011/04/13

Why don't you actually go take a look at the definition of language,

[#381401] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Josh Cheek <josh.cheek@...> 2011/04/13

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:53 AM, Kevin <darkintent@gmail.com> wrote:

[#381403] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Kevin <darkintent@...> 2011/04/13

That is all well and good. But does that fact make the definitions I am

[#381408] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2011/04/13

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Kevin <darkintent@gmail.com> wrote:

[#381433] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Kevin <darkintent@...> 2011/04/13

@Phillip: Yes they are applicable, jargon does not supersede the rest of the

[#381435] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2011/04/13

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Kevin <darkintent@gmail.com> wrote:

[#381442] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Kevin <darkintent@...> 2011/04/13

No a jargon or slang does not put aside the language it exists inside of.

[#381453] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Chad Perrin <code@...> 2011/04/13

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 01:18:58AM +0900, Kevin wrote:

[#381457] Re: functional paradigm taking over — serialhex <serialhex@...> 2011/04/13

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[#380623] string/array slices — Patrick Tyler <patrick.a.tyler@...>

Hello,

15 messages 2011/03/30

[#380689] how to refine the code to avoid using fork on windows? — Ethan Huo <firewall888@...>

here is the thing, i need to move a previous ruby program from Linux to

9 messages 2011/03/31

[#380710] Simple array.each do |x| question — "Kyle X." <haebooty@...>

Hello, I am new to ruby and cannot understand why this code is not

18 messages 2011/03/31
[#380711] Re: Simple array.each do |x| question — Roger Braun <roger@...> 2011/03/31

Hi

Re: Scripting style

From: Everett L Williams II <rett@...>
Date: 2011-03-27 02:42:38 UTC
List: ruby-talk #380466
*Spiral,*


spiralofhope wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 05:12:51 +0900
> Ryan Davis<ryand-ruby@zenspider.com>  wrote:
>
>    
>> You don't actually write your code that way, do you?
>>      
> More or less.  I'm assuming you're commenting on my general style.
> Below would be a full working bit of code.  It's rather pointlessly
> simple but it demonstrates my "way".
>
> ---
> require 'minitest/autorun'
>
> class Whatever
>
>    def foo( string )
>      return string + '!'
>    end
>
> end
>
> class Test_Whatever<  MiniTest::Unit::TestCase
>
>    def setup()
>      @o = Whatever.new
>    end
>
>    def test_foo()
>      assert_equal(
>        ( 'yay!' ),
>        ( @o.foo( 'yay' ) ),
>      )
>    end
>
> end
> ---
>
> I've taken extreme measures to make my code more readable.  While I
> have exceptionally lucid times, I often have a _very_ hard time
> "fitting a program into my head".
>
> The real problem arises when I create magical code on one day and then
> on some other day I am completely unable to comprehend it.
>
> To help, I've been
>
> - Breaking my problems down into sometimes embarrassingly-small pieces
> - .. Each with its own test
> - .. Usually with somewhat redundant comments.
> - I've also thrown away regular alignment conventions.
> - Ignoring performance improvements, preferring clearer and even
>    redundant code. (lots of brackets, stuff on separate lines, trailing
>    commas, etc)
> - Using a very small subset of Ruby's functionality.  Doing things with
>    brute force and which are far less pretty than possible.
>
> In some cases I might even coerce code into something monstrous like
> this:
>
>    def test_foo()
>      assert_equal(
>                ( 'yay!' ),
>        ( @o.foo( 'yay'  ) ),
>      )
>    end
>
> The difference to me is that a bunch of programming that initially took
> me a very long time has now taken me a very short time to rewrite from
> scratch.  Think years to weeks.  The end result is vastly superior in
> every way to me.  Faster, clearer, fully tested.  Most importantly I'm
> enjoying myself!
>
> I know that this means that if I ever manage to function with regular
> style conventions I will be forced to re-rewrite everything to follow
> them.  If it came to that, I would be pleased to do it.. I love that
> kind of grunt work.  =)
>
> I know I'm learning bad habits, my code will be "unreadable" to others,
> I may not be able to read the source of others very well, and there are
> probably lots of other issues.. but I needed a new way to approach
> programming.  It's either that or I just give up.
>    
*Hurrrah for you. There is a growing body of people out there who have 
realized that shorthand is idiosyncratic and often unreadable except to 
the "literati" in any special group. I've listened to them since the 
days of COBOL (which is still around and fairly healthy) and before. The 
problem with COBOL was not it's verbosity, but it's lack of modern 
structure and object orientation. These deficits have been largely dealt 
with in recent versions, so COBOL continues to go forward. The 
generation of programmers who wrote COBOL were in many cases converted 
accountants and other business types, so they really did not care about 
constructs like +=, -=, etc., etc., ad infinitum. What they wanted was 
readable code, and through COBOL, they largely got it. Now do understand 
that the most horrendous spaghetti code could be written in COBOL, but 
there were many who understood that and wrote beautifully structured 
code back before that was even a popular term. Now, all that was not 
meant to suggest the use of COBOL, but to suggest that maximizing source 
code rather than minimizing it will pay off in the long run.

In the day, I was as good as any at writing really tricky, fast, and 
short code until I could not move on to other things because no one 
could maintain my code but me. Then, I adopted a different idea. Except 
for extremely time critical code, I put together the "two o'clock rule", 
which basically said that if this code is not going to look familiar and 
largely self documenting at 2am, 6 months from now, I should find 
another way to write it. Outside of those critical pieces of code, which 
should be documented as heavily as possible, performance should be a 
product of the compiler, not the programmer, and that is the weakness of 
almost all of the smaller languages, that their compilers just do not 
receive the resources necessary to produce really powerful optimization. 
Variable names should be largely self-documenting, even if that requires 
more characters than the geeks are willing to type, and the omission or 
inclusion of some special prefix, post-fix, or infix character should 
not change the meaning of the code, especially not in subtle ways. Where 
possible, variables should be static rather than dynamic, even if that 
means a few extra copies or transforms. At least with static variables, 
debugging is a whole lot easier, and compiler level optimization is 
orders of magnitude easier. And, for every byte lost to those static 
variables, there are a few mega or gigabytes lost to dynamic variables 
that are not garbage collected correctly or that are just created in error.

For all those verbose code sequences (usually much easier for the 
compiler to handle) and variables, there are auto-completion 
editors/IDE's that can save most of the keystrokes. Having worked as a 
maintenance programmer in my early years and as a diagnostician on just 
anything that came by when I was a Senior Systems Programmer, I can 
testify to the beauty of the type of code that you are attempting to 
apologize for. Keep writing it and try to make it the standard wherever 
you work. If the compiler you are using cannot sufficiently optimize, 
get another for that language, or get another language, but don't worry 
too much about that side of things. Almost any modern, well supported 
language can be used for almost any project, though there are lots of 
aspects to such selections. Continue to use as small a subset of the 
language as is necessary to keep your code clear and understandable, and 
require massive documentation when trickier facets are used.

There will always be coders who can produce unreadable garbage, but 
every company who employs such should ride herd on them to do what I 
have noted above. It is still true that the cost of writing code is only 
10-20% of the life-cycle cost of a program. I have gone so far as to 
mandate the use of code beautifiers, so that all code will look like 
what you have written. The size of the source code is completely 
irrelevant, and the size of the object code is increasingly so.

Everett L.(Rett) Williams II
*

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