[#379166] question: threads behaviour — Raphael Bauduin <rblists@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2011/03/01

[#379190] exec using sh -c or directly running the command, depending on the system — Xavier No謖le <xavier.noelle@...>

Hello !

8 messages 2011/03/01

[#379261] How can i get the first letter of this string — duc nguyen <minhduct4@...>

Hello, i'm a newbie. I have a question that how can i get the first

10 messages 2011/03/03

[#379285] Extracting the shortest string from an array — Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@...>

Hi, given the following array:

12 messages 2011/03/03

[#379299] How to assign an element to a hash only if its value is not nil? — "Thomas W." <thomas@...>

hash = {}

13 messages 2011/03/03

[#379327] extconf.rb spitting out SH Makefile on windows? — Mr Eiland <mreiland1978@...>

Title says it all, I'm running ruby extconf.rb in a visual studio 2008

18 messages 2011/03/03
[#379883] Re: extconf.rb spitting out SH Makefile on windows? — Luis Lavena <luislavena@...> 2011/03/15

On Mar 15, 3:09=A0am, Mr Eiland <mreiland1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[#379410] Ruby - Missed some core computer science world ? — Lucky Dev <lucky.developer@...>

I am doing ruby programming and been developing rails3 apps for some

16 messages 2011/03/06

[#379423] How to get class of BasicObject ancestor (Ruby 1.9.2)? — Alexey Petrushin <axyd80@...>

There's no :class method on BasicObject, is there any way to get class

9 messages 2011/03/06

[#379430] (ArgumentError) - in `initialize': wrong number of arguments (4 for 0) — Micah Wolfe <52w7te9ara@...>

Greetings all,

12 messages 2011/03/06

[#379469] basic programming question, help please — Kaye Ng <sbstn26@...>

class Square

17 messages 2011/03/07
[#379471] Re: basic programming question, help please — Mayank Kohaley <mayank.kohaley@...> 2011/03/07

The class method in Ruby is represented using self.<method name> or <class

[#379487] http post and authorization header for twitter — boo boo <s.w.timko@...>

I am trying to send an authorization header to the twitter api

16 messages 2011/03/07

[#379524] Duplicate methods removal in Ruby's TODO ? — David Unric <dunric29a@...>

Hi,

15 messages 2011/03/08

[#379597] Comparison between C++ and Ruby Variables — "Mayank K." <mayank.kohaley@...>

I have blogged about the comparison between c++ and ruby variables and

10 messages 2011/03/09

[#379686] What do you use with Ruby for GUI programming and why? — Robert <sigzero@...>

Is there a push to one toolkit or the other?

29 messages 2011/03/11
[#379713] Re: What do you use with Ruby for GUI programming and why? — Steve Klabnik <steve@...> 2011/03/11

I use Shoes. I'm biased; I'm one of the maintainers.

[#379715] Re: What do you use with Ruby for GUI programming and why? — Shadowfirebird <shadowfirebird@...> 2011/03/11

> I use Shoes. I'm biased; I'm one of the maintainers.

[#379755] send() with a block? — 7stud -- <bbxx789_05ss@...>

Why don't the ruby docs say that send() can take a block?

23 messages 2011/03/12
[#379756] Re: send() with a block? — "Sean O'Halpin" <sean.ohalpin@...> 2011/03/12

On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 8:45 PM, 7stud -- <bbxx789_05ss@yahoo.com> wrote:

[#379757] Re: send() with a block? — Peter Zotov <whitequark@...> 2011/03/12

On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 06:01:31 +0900, Sean O'Halpin wrote:

[#379845] Ruby jobs — Toby Gambill <toby.gambill@...>

All=20

25 messages 2011/03/14

[#379846] Understanding YAML and this practice in general — Fily Salas <fs_tigre@...>

Hi,

12 messages 2011/03/15

[#379889] SHA1 Decryption!! — Gormare Kalss <gormare@...>

Hello! I hope that no one will be offended by this question!! Ive been

12 messages 2011/03/15

[#379945] TCPSocket: how to realize that the other endpoint has closed the connection? — Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@...>

Hi, I open a TCP connection with a server:

10 messages 2011/03/16

[#379998] Inserting hash value slows down as table gets larger — Philip Rhoades <phil@...>

People,

11 messages 2011/03/17

[#380037] matching a word in any number of characters — Chad Perrin <code@...>

I have need of some code to match any of a number of words in any number

12 messages 2011/03/18

[#380074] Method Call from inside a file. — Tridib Bandopadhyay <tridib04@...>

I coded a new method within gc.c file defining as--

11 messages 2011/03/19

[#380085] A question about Ruby 1.9's "external encoding" — Albert Schlef <albertschlef@...>

I have the following program:

11 messages 2011/03/20

[#380116] The best practices to learn Ruby — Fily Salas <fs_tigre@...>

Hi,

22 messages 2011/03/20

[#380205] How could I make the Ruby 1.9 string ignore the invalid utf-8 byte sequence in split? — Stanley Xu <wenhao.xu@...>

Dear buddies,

8 messages 2011/03/22

[#380220] Ruby corrupts after a period of time — Chip Burke <cburke@...>

I have recently upgraded from Ruby 1.8.7 to 1.9.2p180 on Fedora. After a

19 messages 2011/03/22

[#380262] Converting PHP to Ruby — "Jack W." <jack.whitman403@...>

Hi all,

13 messages 2011/03/23

[#380306] shortcut for add unless nil ? — Iain Barnett <iainspeed@...>

Hi,

24 messages 2011/03/24
[#380308] Re: shortcut for add unless nil ? — Xavier Noria <fxn@...> 2011/03/24

You could do something like this (untested):

[#380339] Re: shortcut for add unless nil ? — Iain Barnett <iainspeed@...> 2011/03/25

[#380347] Re: shortcut for add unless nil ? — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2011/03/25

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 7:02 AM, Iain Barnett <iainspeed@gmail.com> wrote:

[#380369] Re: shortcut for add unless nil ? — Colin Bartlett <colinb2r@...> 2011/03/25

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Robert Klemme

[#380382] Re: shortcut for add unless nil ? — Iain Barnett <iainspeed@...> 2011/03/25

[#380385] Re: shortcut for add unless nil ? — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2011/03/25

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Iain Barnett <iainspeed@gmail.com> wrote:

[#380389] Re: shortcut for add unless nil ? — Iain Barnett <iainspeed@...> 2011/03/25

[#380394] Re: shortcut for add unless nil ? — serialhex <serialhex@...> 2011/03/25

...personally i think it would be nice to be able to define new operators

[#380325] Regexp, matching only the content within parentheses — Emil Kampp <ekampp@...>

Hi.

12 messages 2011/03/24

[#380359] How to get the value of a singleton class? — Joey Zhou <yimutang@...>

Here is a sample code:

14 messages 2011/03/25
[#380360] Re: How to get the value of a singleton class? — Robert Dober <robert.dober@...> 2011/03/25

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Joey Zhou <yimutang@gmail.com> wrote:

[#380361] Do I need to upgrade to the latest version of Ruby — Fily Salas <fs_tigre@...>

Hi,

10 messages 2011/03/25

[#380368] Dynamic classes — PsiPro <arjesins@...>

So I am working on some metaprograming and have some questions about

13 messages 2011/03/25

[#380401] How to "find" new lines — Damir Sigur <damir@...>

I am new to ruby, and was trying to make a small code which would check

12 messages 2011/03/25

[#380520] A two-minute Ruby flavoured survey to help shape a new service. — "Mic P." <micpringle@...>

Please take a few seconds to fill out the following survey ...

12 messages 2011/03/28
[#380528] Re: A two-minute Ruby flavoured survey to help shape a new service. — Chad Perrin <code@...> 2011/03/28

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 03:46:17AM +0900, Mic P. wrote:

[#380558] Why can a floating point number be used as an array index? — Jeff Dik <s450r1@...>

Why can a floating point number be used as an array index? Anybody

11 messages 2011/03/29

[#380573] Encoding issues when parsing HTML in 1.9 — ctdev <ctdev421@...>

Hi, I'm having some encoding problems while parsing HTML with Nokogiri

12 messages 2011/03/30

[#380586] functional paradigm taking over — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...>

Hi,

133 messages 2011/03/30
[#380593] Lambda Shambda — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...> 2011/03/30

Although a Ruby fan, I must say I'm spending all my time looking at

[#380612] Re: Lambda Shambda — Chad Perrin <code@...> 2011/03/30

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 06:38:19PM +0900, Mike Stephens wrote:

[#380617] Re: Lambda Shambda — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2011/03/30

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Chad Perrin <code@apotheon.net> wrote:

[#380641] Re: Lambda Shambda — Chad Perrin <code@...> 2011/03/30

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:19:25AM +0900, Robert Klemme wrote:

[#380664] Re: Lambda Shambda — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2011/03/31

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 1:24 AM, Chad Perrin <code@apotheon.net> wrote:

[#380669] Re: Lambda Shambda — Chad Perrin <code@...> 2011/03/31

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:30:07PM +0900, Phillip Gawlowski wrote:

[#380683] Re: Lambda Shambda — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...> 2011/03/31

Chad Perrin wrote in post #990130:

[#380812] Re: Lambda Shambda — Josh Cheek <josh.cheek@...> 2011/04/02

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 5:08 AM, Mike Stephens <rubfor@recitel.net> wrote:

[#380825] Re: Lambda Shambda — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...> 2011/04/03

Josh Cheek wrote in post #990579:

[#380831] Re: Lambda Shambda — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2011/04/03

On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 7:29 AM, Mike Stephens <rubfor@recitel.net> wrote:

[#380839] Re: Lambda Shambda — Everett L Williams II <rett@...> 2011/04/03

*Let's not pay too much attention to the code snobs on here. I've yet to

[#380840] Re: Lambda Shambda — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2011/04/03

On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Everett L Williams II

[#380893] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...> 2011/04/04

This thread has been touching upon three issues - functional languages

[#380907] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Everett L Williams II <rett@...> 2011/04/04

*Mike,*

[#380910] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Johnny Morrice <spoon@...> 2011/04/04

> But, as I have said, I have seen some absolutely

[#380913] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Johnny Morrice <spoon@...> 2011/04/04

> I've seen some absolutely amazing things done with befunge! Networked

[#380925] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Chad Perrin <code@...> 2011/04/04

On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 09:29:13PM +0900, Johnny Morrice wrote:

[#380926] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Johnny Morrice <spoon@...> 2011/04/04

> I have not seen "befunge" as a euphemism for brainfuck before. Is

[#380933] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Chad Perrin <code@...> 2011/04/04

On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 12:42:20AM +0900, Johnny Morrice wrote:

[#381261] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Robert Dober <robert.dober@...> 2011/04/10

On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Chad Perrin <code@apotheon.net> wrote:

[#381324] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Kevin <darkintent@...> 2011/04/12

Aren't all programs languages as the program describes a particular problem

[#381330] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2011/04/12

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 8:18 AM, Kevin <darkintent@gmail.com> wrote:

[#381331] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Kevin <darkintent@...> 2011/04/12

No I'm not confusing them, all programs provide the vocabulary (Means of

[#381356] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Chad Perrin <code@...> 2011/04/12

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 04:47:17PM +0900, Kevin wrote:

[#381400] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Kevin <darkintent@...> 2011/04/13

Why don't you actually go take a look at the definition of language,

[#381401] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Josh Cheek <josh.cheek@...> 2011/04/13

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:53 AM, Kevin <darkintent@gmail.com> wrote:

[#381403] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Kevin <darkintent@...> 2011/04/13

That is all well and good. But does that fact make the definitions I am

[#381408] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2011/04/13

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Kevin <darkintent@gmail.com> wrote:

[#380623] string/array slices — Patrick Tyler <patrick.a.tyler@...>

Hello,

15 messages 2011/03/30

[#380689] how to refine the code to avoid using fork on windows? — Ethan Huo <firewall888@...>

here is the thing, i need to move a previous ruby program from Linux to

9 messages 2011/03/31

[#380710] Simple array.each do |x| question — "Kyle X." <haebooty@...>

Hello, I am new to ruby and cannot understand why this code is not

18 messages 2011/03/31
[#380711] Re: Simple array.each do |x| question — Roger Braun <roger@...> 2011/03/31

Hi

Re: The future of the character-encodings library

From: Nikolai Weibull <now@...>
Date: 2011-03-17 10:44:46 UTC
List: ruby-talk #379990
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 00:56, Eric Hodel <drbrain@segment7.net> wrote:
> On Mar 16, 2011, at 3:15 PM, Nikolai Weibull wrote:
>> Eric, could you please reply to all in the future?

> No. =C2=A0I don't know two of the email addresses in your To header so I =
can't judge if my response is topical for them.

But I do and I made the judgment call for you.

> The third appears to be a mailing list to which I am not subscribed. =C2=
=A0I don't wish to fend off
possible "you must subscribe" bounces.

That is a valid point.  I should have cross-posted my request for help inst=
ead.

>> I have =E2=80=9Cskip=E2=80=9D set for this mailing list

> I think it means that you don't want to see messages from this mailing li=
st.

Correct.

> If this is true why did you post to it?

Because I wanted this to reach as many (interested) people as
possible.  If I=E2=80=99m going to make a big change here I want as many to
know about it as possible.

I know that people have used the library in the past, especially in
back-ends, which makes it a lot harder to know how many users I
actually have.  I have, believe it or not, even been paid (minute
amounts) to work on this library.  I figured that perhaps there were
some hidden users that I didn=E2=80=99t know about that were still using it
and I therefore posted to the most public Ruby forum that I know of.

>> as, as you point out below, it=E2=80=99s rather high in noise.

> I don't see where I made this assertion.

You implicitly made (I thought at the time, see below) it by saying
that the library in question doesn=E2=80=99t have that many users and, as
such, my posting wasn=E2=80=99t relevant to the majority of the readers of
this list.  This low level of relevancy is something that I have
judged to be the case for many topics on this list.

>> It makes it rather hard to stitch things together when I can=E2=80=99t e=
asily reply to your reply.

> I don't see why I should be inconvenienced to make it easier for you to s=
ee responses you do not want to see.

The inconvenience that you would have to endure by pressing Reply to
all and removing the char-encodings list from the Cc list must surely
not be as great as that which you have put me through by not including
me in the Cc list so that I would receive your response to the posting
that I made (that I, of course, do want).

Either way, this is a moot point, as I=E2=80=99ve now set noskip.  (I was
hoping that either those that replied would include me or that the
mailing list software would be intelligent enough to not skip replies
to my postings.  I was wrong.)

>> Eric Hodel wrote:
>>> On Mar 16, 2011, at 6:26 AM, Nikolai Weibull wrote:
>>>> Could any of the users of this library please provide me with some inp=
ut on this point.
>>>>
>>>> I=E2=80=99m looking forward to receiving your input!
>>
>>> There don't appear to be many users of character-encodings:
>>>
>>> https://rubygems.org/gems/character-encodings
>>
>> I don=E2=80=99t see how this is relevant, but thank you for pointing out=
 my
>> failure in selling and maintaining my library.

> I was attempting to suggest that since there aren't many downloads for yo=
ur gem maybe there's no need for you to continue to maintain it in its curr=
ent form (if at all).

Then, for my sake, please say so.  A short =E2=80=93 easily interpreted as
snide =E2=80=93 remark like that can easily be misinterpreted.

> Some of the functionality of your gem has been taken up by ruby 1.9. =C2=
=A0Anyone seriously considering handling encodings other than US ASCII shou=
ld move to 1.9. =C2=A0I would rebuild character-encodings atop 1.9 if I wer=
e in the maintainer and had such a need.

To what need are you referring?

The whole point of the library was to provide UTF-8 support for 1.8.

I now want to shift focus to both providing support for UTF-8 for
those of us stuck with 1.8 (due to 1.9=E2=80=99s horrendous I/O and require
performance on Windows) and as an extension to 1.9=E2=80=99s built-in Unico=
de
support.

Looking at 1.9 it is now (because it sure wasn=E2=80=99t in 2006 when I beg=
an
developing this library) clear that Ruby won=E2=80=99t be supporting a lot =
of
features that would be desirable.  You can, for example, not easily
perform collation, normalization, or character-class lookup.  Even
such a thing as String#upcase doesn=E2=80=99t seem to be able do the right
thing.  I might be doing something wrong, but

# -*- coding: utf-8 -*-

puts "=C3=A4bc".upcase

prints =E2=80=9C=C3=A4BC=E2=80=9D, not =E2=80=9C=C3=84BC=E2=80=9D.

> Due to the low number of downloads you have an excellent opportunity to t=
hrow out your existing API and rebuild your library to integrate well with =
the encoding features of ruby 1.9.

I know that this type of behavior is popular in the Ruby community,
but I wanted to give my, albeit few, users a chance to have their say
on this matter.

> I don't see why you would consider a low number of downloads to be any fa=
ilure on your part. =C2=A0I simply made a statement of fact.

There are many statements of fact that one can make that are often
best not made.

As I already noted above, you need to contextualize such a statement
so that it=E2=80=99s not open for interpretation.  Had you written somethin=
g
along the lines of =E2=80=9CJudging from the statistics at rubygems.org,
perhaps you can get away with your proposed changes without too many
users becoming upset?=E2=80=9D, I would have known what you were trying to =
get
at. As you wrote it it only stands as a pointless remark.

>  I have many, many gems that nobody uses and I no longer maintain.

I actually wish to continue maintaining this library and I actually do
have active users.

> It would be ridiculous for me to attempt to attach any judgements to such=
 a fact.

Am I ridiculous for not sharing your level of detachment from your work?

I don=E2=80=99t know if you actually looked at the source code, but it=E2=
=80=99s
actually quite a few lines of (sometimes rather complex) code, and for
me to throw it away without at least considering its future utility is
not something that I could easily do.

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