[#379166] question: threads behaviour — Raphael Bauduin <rblists@...>

Hi,

14 messages 2011/03/01

[#379190] exec using sh -c or directly running the command, depending on the system — Xavier No謖le <xavier.noelle@...>

Hello !

8 messages 2011/03/01

[#379261] How can i get the first letter of this string — duc nguyen <minhduct4@...>

Hello, i'm a newbie. I have a question that how can i get the first

10 messages 2011/03/03

[#379285] Extracting the shortest string from an array — Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@...>

Hi, given the following array:

12 messages 2011/03/03

[#379299] How to assign an element to a hash only if its value is not nil? — "Thomas W." <thomas@...>

hash = {}

13 messages 2011/03/03

[#379327] extconf.rb spitting out SH Makefile on windows? — Mr Eiland <mreiland1978@...>

Title says it all, I'm running ruby extconf.rb in a visual studio 2008

18 messages 2011/03/03
[#379883] Re: extconf.rb spitting out SH Makefile on windows? — Luis Lavena <luislavena@...> 2011/03/15

On Mar 15, 3:09=A0am, Mr Eiland <mreiland1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[#379410] Ruby - Missed some core computer science world ? — Lucky Dev <lucky.developer@...>

I am doing ruby programming and been developing rails3 apps for some

16 messages 2011/03/06

[#379423] How to get class of BasicObject ancestor (Ruby 1.9.2)? — Alexey Petrushin <axyd80@...>

There's no :class method on BasicObject, is there any way to get class

9 messages 2011/03/06

[#379430] (ArgumentError) - in `initialize': wrong number of arguments (4 for 0) — Micah Wolfe <52w7te9ara@...>

Greetings all,

12 messages 2011/03/06

[#379469] basic programming question, help please — Kaye Ng <sbstn26@...>

class Square

17 messages 2011/03/07
[#379471] Re: basic programming question, help please — Mayank Kohaley <mayank.kohaley@...> 2011/03/07

The class method in Ruby is represented using self.<method name> or <class

[#379487] http post and authorization header for twitter — boo boo <s.w.timko@...>

I am trying to send an authorization header to the twitter api

16 messages 2011/03/07

[#379524] Duplicate methods removal in Ruby's TODO ? — David Unric <dunric29a@...>

Hi,

15 messages 2011/03/08

[#379597] Comparison between C++ and Ruby Variables — "Mayank K." <mayank.kohaley@...>

I have blogged about the comparison between c++ and ruby variables and

10 messages 2011/03/09

[#379686] What do you use with Ruby for GUI programming and why? — Robert <sigzero@...>

Is there a push to one toolkit or the other?

29 messages 2011/03/11
[#379713] Re: What do you use with Ruby for GUI programming and why? — Steve Klabnik <steve@...> 2011/03/11

I use Shoes. I'm biased; I'm one of the maintainers.

[#379715] Re: What do you use with Ruby for GUI programming and why? — Shadowfirebird <shadowfirebird@...> 2011/03/11

> I use Shoes. I'm biased; I'm one of the maintainers.

[#379755] send() with a block? — 7stud -- <bbxx789_05ss@...>

Why don't the ruby docs say that send() can take a block?

23 messages 2011/03/12
[#379756] Re: send() with a block? — "Sean O'Halpin" <sean.ohalpin@...> 2011/03/12

On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 8:45 PM, 7stud -- <bbxx789_05ss@yahoo.com> wrote:

[#379757] Re: send() with a block? — Peter Zotov <whitequark@...> 2011/03/12

On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 06:01:31 +0900, Sean O'Halpin wrote:

[#379845] Ruby jobs — Toby Gambill <toby.gambill@...>

All=20

25 messages 2011/03/14

[#379846] Understanding YAML and this practice in general — Fily Salas <fs_tigre@...>

Hi,

12 messages 2011/03/15

[#379889] SHA1 Decryption!! — Gormare Kalss <gormare@...>

Hello! I hope that no one will be offended by this question!! Ive been

12 messages 2011/03/15

[#379945] TCPSocket: how to realize that the other endpoint has closed the connection? — Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@...>

Hi, I open a TCP connection with a server:

10 messages 2011/03/16

[#379998] Inserting hash value slows down as table gets larger — Philip Rhoades <phil@...>

People,

11 messages 2011/03/17

[#380037] matching a word in any number of characters — Chad Perrin <code@...>

I have need of some code to match any of a number of words in any number

12 messages 2011/03/18

[#380074] Method Call from inside a file. — Tridib Bandopadhyay <tridib04@...>

I coded a new method within gc.c file defining as--

11 messages 2011/03/19

[#380085] A question about Ruby 1.9's "external encoding" — Albert Schlef <albertschlef@...>

I have the following program:

11 messages 2011/03/20

[#380116] The best practices to learn Ruby — Fily Salas <fs_tigre@...>

Hi,

22 messages 2011/03/20

[#380205] How could I make the Ruby 1.9 string ignore the invalid utf-8 byte sequence in split? — Stanley Xu <wenhao.xu@...>

Dear buddies,

8 messages 2011/03/22

[#380220] Ruby corrupts after a period of time — Chip Burke <cburke@...>

I have recently upgraded from Ruby 1.8.7 to 1.9.2p180 on Fedora. After a

19 messages 2011/03/22

[#380262] Converting PHP to Ruby — "Jack W." <jack.whitman403@...>

Hi all,

13 messages 2011/03/23

[#380306] shortcut for add unless nil ? — Iain Barnett <iainspeed@...>

Hi,

24 messages 2011/03/24
[#380308] Re: shortcut for add unless nil ? — Xavier Noria <fxn@...> 2011/03/24

You could do something like this (untested):

[#380339] Re: shortcut for add unless nil ? — Iain Barnett <iainspeed@...> 2011/03/25

[#380347] Re: shortcut for add unless nil ? — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2011/03/25

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 7:02 AM, Iain Barnett <iainspeed@gmail.com> wrote:

[#380369] Re: shortcut for add unless nil ? — Colin Bartlett <colinb2r@...> 2011/03/25

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Robert Klemme

[#380382] Re: shortcut for add unless nil ? — Iain Barnett <iainspeed@...> 2011/03/25

[#380385] Re: shortcut for add unless nil ? — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2011/03/25

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Iain Barnett <iainspeed@gmail.com> wrote:

[#380389] Re: shortcut for add unless nil ? — Iain Barnett <iainspeed@...> 2011/03/25

[#380394] Re: shortcut for add unless nil ? — serialhex <serialhex@...> 2011/03/25

...personally i think it would be nice to be able to define new operators

[#380325] Regexp, matching only the content within parentheses — Emil Kampp <ekampp@...>

Hi.

12 messages 2011/03/24

[#380359] How to get the value of a singleton class? — Joey Zhou <yimutang@...>

Here is a sample code:

14 messages 2011/03/25
[#380360] Re: How to get the value of a singleton class? — Robert Dober <robert.dober@...> 2011/03/25

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Joey Zhou <yimutang@gmail.com> wrote:

[#380361] Do I need to upgrade to the latest version of Ruby — Fily Salas <fs_tigre@...>

Hi,

10 messages 2011/03/25

[#380368] Dynamic classes — PsiPro <arjesins@...>

So I am working on some metaprograming and have some questions about

13 messages 2011/03/25

[#380401] How to "find" new lines — Damir Sigur <damir@...>

I am new to ruby, and was trying to make a small code which would check

12 messages 2011/03/25

[#380520] A two-minute Ruby flavoured survey to help shape a new service. — "Mic P." <micpringle@...>

Please take a few seconds to fill out the following survey ...

12 messages 2011/03/28
[#380528] Re: A two-minute Ruby flavoured survey to help shape a new service. — Chad Perrin <code@...> 2011/03/28

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 03:46:17AM +0900, Mic P. wrote:

[#380558] Why can a floating point number be used as an array index? — Jeff Dik <s450r1@...>

Why can a floating point number be used as an array index? Anybody

11 messages 2011/03/29

[#380573] Encoding issues when parsing HTML in 1.9 — ctdev <ctdev421@...>

Hi, I'm having some encoding problems while parsing HTML with Nokogiri

12 messages 2011/03/30

[#380586] functional paradigm taking over — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...>

Hi,

133 messages 2011/03/30
[#380593] Lambda Shambda — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...> 2011/03/30

Although a Ruby fan, I must say I'm spending all my time looking at

[#380612] Re: Lambda Shambda — Chad Perrin <code@...> 2011/03/30

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 06:38:19PM +0900, Mike Stephens wrote:

[#380617] Re: Lambda Shambda — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2011/03/30

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Chad Perrin <code@apotheon.net> wrote:

[#380641] Re: Lambda Shambda — Chad Perrin <code@...> 2011/03/30

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:19:25AM +0900, Robert Klemme wrote:

[#380664] Re: Lambda Shambda — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2011/03/31

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 1:24 AM, Chad Perrin <code@apotheon.net> wrote:

[#380669] Re: Lambda Shambda — Chad Perrin <code@...> 2011/03/31

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:30:07PM +0900, Phillip Gawlowski wrote:

[#380683] Re: Lambda Shambda — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...> 2011/03/31

Chad Perrin wrote in post #990130:

[#380812] Re: Lambda Shambda — Josh Cheek <josh.cheek@...> 2011/04/02

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 5:08 AM, Mike Stephens <rubfor@recitel.net> wrote:

[#380825] Re: Lambda Shambda — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...> 2011/04/03

Josh Cheek wrote in post #990579:

[#380831] Re: Lambda Shambda — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2011/04/03

On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 7:29 AM, Mike Stephens <rubfor@recitel.net> wrote:

[#380839] Re: Lambda Shambda — Everett L Williams II <rett@...> 2011/04/03

*Let's not pay too much attention to the code snobs on here. I've yet to

[#380840] Re: Lambda Shambda — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2011/04/03

On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Everett L Williams II

[#380893] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Mike Stephens <rubfor@...> 2011/04/04

This thread has been touching upon three issues - functional languages

[#380907] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Everett L Williams II <rett@...> 2011/04/04

*Mike,*

[#380910] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Johnny Morrice <spoon@...> 2011/04/04

> But, as I have said, I have seen some absolutely

[#380913] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Johnny Morrice <spoon@...> 2011/04/04

> I've seen some absolutely amazing things done with befunge! Networked

[#380925] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Chad Perrin <code@...> 2011/04/04

On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 09:29:13PM +0900, Johnny Morrice wrote:

[#380926] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Johnny Morrice <spoon@...> 2011/04/04

> I have not seen "befunge" as a euphemism for brainfuck before. Is

[#380933] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Chad Perrin <code@...> 2011/04/04

On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 12:42:20AM +0900, Johnny Morrice wrote:

[#381261] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Robert Dober <robert.dober@...> 2011/04/10

On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Chad Perrin <code@apotheon.net> wrote:

[#381324] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Kevin <darkintent@...> 2011/04/12

Aren't all programs languages as the program describes a particular problem

[#381330] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2011/04/12

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 8:18 AM, Kevin <darkintent@gmail.com> wrote:

[#381331] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Kevin <darkintent@...> 2011/04/12

No I'm not confusing them, all programs provide the vocabulary (Means of

[#381356] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Chad Perrin <code@...> 2011/04/12

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 04:47:17PM +0900, Kevin wrote:

[#381400] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Kevin <darkintent@...> 2011/04/13

Why don't you actually go take a look at the definition of language,

[#381401] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Josh Cheek <josh.cheek@...> 2011/04/13

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:53 AM, Kevin <darkintent@gmail.com> wrote:

[#381403] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Kevin <darkintent@...> 2011/04/13

That is all well and good. But does that fact make the definitions I am

[#381408] Re: functional paradigm taking over — Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@...> 2011/04/13

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Kevin <darkintent@gmail.com> wrote:

[#380623] string/array slices — Patrick Tyler <patrick.a.tyler@...>

Hello,

15 messages 2011/03/30

[#380689] how to refine the code to avoid using fork on windows? — Ethan Huo <firewall888@...>

here is the thing, i need to move a previous ruby program from Linux to

9 messages 2011/03/31

[#380710] Simple array.each do |x| question — "Kyle X." <haebooty@...>

Hello, I am new to ruby and cannot understand why this code is not

18 messages 2011/03/31
[#380711] Re: Simple array.each do |x| question — Roger Braun <roger@...> 2011/03/31

Hi

Re: extconf.rb spitting out SH Makefile on windows?

From: Mr Eiland <mreiland1978@...>
Date: 2011-03-20 05:49:13 UTC
List: ruby-talk #380094
Phillip, until you stop with the strawmen, I'm going to ignore you from
here on out.  I know it makes you feel productive, but it's useless.
You're explicitly ignoring later posts to attack what you perceive to be
a slight on your romanticized view of OSS.

> Incorrect.
>
> 1) Install RubyInstaller. RubyGems is already bundled
> 2) Download DevKit. Installation is a manual process for now,
> contributions are welcome to provide a real installer.
> 3) There is no step 3, gem install will trigger the gem compilation
> without polluting your normal environment.
>

Fair enough, I installed in that order based upon everything I had read,
but I don't claim to be an authority.  In particular the documentation
for DevKit left me with the impression that the environment had to be
loaded up every time you wanted to use it.  It's been long enough that I
can't remember exactly where it was documented, so lets just call it a
misunderstanding on my part.


> Dude, chill out, MS EULA forbids you to bundle Visual Studio with any
> tool.


We're talking past each other.

What I meant is the Ruby installer doesn't bundle gcc or Visual Studio,
so the idea that it's built with gcc because Visual Studio doesn't allow
3rd party distribution is fallacious.

I could *maybe* see your point if the installer came bundled with
everything needed to build the gems that are compiled, but it doesn't.
Once you've installed Ruby on Windows, you now get to go download
another piece of software, so it becomes a matter of choice.  DevKit, or
*Microsoft* Visual C++ Express.


> Windows != Visual Studio. There are other languages beyond C or C# and
> of course there are other compilers beyond Microsoft one.

Which is another shitty response.  We're talking about C development on
a Windows OS.  The de facto standard is Visual Studio, in much the same
way that there are other compilers on Unix, but the de facto standard is
gcc, and you can't really talk yourself past that point.


> This is an old discussion about MinGW versus Visual Studio for Ruby
> for Windows, and you've reach to it 3 years later.

Exactly, which is why I won't bother with Ruby on Windows anymore.  It's
unnecessarily difficult, and the community has already decided it isn't
important enough to change that.  That isn't a threat, it's me removing
obstacles between my clients and their solutions.


> But don't come here to criticizes the work done by others.

I can, and I will.  If that hurts your feelings in any way, grow a
thicker skin.



> Nor have you done the most basic of searches to discover the work by
> many of the gem authors (Nokogiri, FFI, Thin, EventMachine, hitimes,
> sqlite3, gherkin, do_sqlite3, ...) to support Windows users.

That's because I'm not talking about gems, I'm talking about Ruby.

> That's OK, but stop chumming this list.

No, and you guys seriously need to stop that.  If my style offends you,
blacklist me and be done with it.


As for fixing it, fixing it means not asking someone on windows to learn
the gcc toolchain just to build an extension.  The express versions are
free to download, asking the user to download an MS compiler or the gcc
compiler should be a no brainer.

Standardize on a version of the Express compilers and work with the
rubygem maintainers to let gem authors offer different installs for
Windows.  Suddenly, the user doesn't have to install a dev environment
just to install a ruby gem, the complexity is pushed off to the gem
maintainers, where it should be.  Windows is not Unix, stop pretending
it is, and do things the Windows way when in Windows.

update mkfm to SUPPORT WINDOWS, and that means more than simply using
dlltools and then spitting out a Makefile.  Piggyback off of CMake if
you have to.

http://www.rubyinside.com/is-windows-a-first-class-platform-for-ruby-823.html
"Ruby development on Windows? The environment sucks (the language rocks
though). Is that Windows fault? No. The community overall is very *nix
based, so development focuses on that environment, and very anti-Windows
as is."

This man nailed the problem, and the problem hasn't changed.  The
Windows support may have improved, but not enough to compete with other
languages on Windows.  And "use JRuby" is not a valid alternative.

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