From: sophrinix@... Date: 2010-04-03T04:48:18+09:00 Subject: Re: Its a bird, its a plane, its.. um, an Attribute based System? On Apr 2, 2010, at 2:21 PM, Le Couey wrote: > Hello David, > > On 4/2/2010 10:39 AM, David Masover wrote: >> Not to feed the troll, and I realize I'm late to this thread, but... >> >> That said, I'm not sure that was the main issue. The main issue is >> that you >> not only concocted your own whole new vocabulary, but you were >> unable to >> define pretty much any term you were using in plain English, or in >> plain Ruby, >> or in any terms we would understand. >> >> >>> 3. Using phrases that mean other things to people that are in >>> authority is not a good way to start any conversation, >>> >> I don't know that there's any particular authority in control of >> this forum. >> What authority there is seems to be meritocratic -- that is, I >> listen to >> certain people because I know what they've done, and I know they >> can be >> respected. When the guy who wrote Merb (and Nanite, and a bunch of >> other fun >> things) tells you he doesn't know what you're talking about, I'm >> inclined to >> believe it's that you have a problem communicating, and not that we >> have a >> problem understanding. >> ... >>> 7. Open source has an attitude of "show me your source" and any >>> situation that does not fit this mold can become one of suspicion. >>> >> Somewhat, but not necessarily. >> >> For example, I've occasionally brought up my somewhat abstract idea >> of a pure- >> Ruby actor library in which the messages sent between actors are >> just method >> calls, and actors can be garbage-collected. I sort of have a >> prototype, but >> I've never shared it here. >> >> Yet people were willing to talk to me about it, because I'm able to >> explain it >> in terms they can understand. The only thing missing might be a >> description of >> the actor model, and I can just point them here: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actor_model >> >> The reason people are insisting that you show us the code is that >> you seem >> utterly incapable of saying what you mean in plain English, so >> there's the >> hope that maybe, if there's something to it, we'll be able to >> understand your >> code. I have my doubts about that -- it might be that people were >> hoping you'd >> shut up and go make it work. >> >> >>> 8 forum "politics" is not new to me, but the system of "Rank" here >>> seems less fragmented than I had expected. Human swarms are always >>> interesting. Mr Davis used exactly the timing, and exactly decisive >>> manner that I would use to shut down a "young turk" if I was in a >>> position of authority. (Breaking of rank at this point would take >>> some balls.) >>> >> I'm fairly sure I've disagreed with Mr. Davis on occasion. I've >> certainly >> "broken rank" with anyone here who could be considered a "leader". >> There are >> all sorts of lively debates, and politics generally doesn't get in >> the way. >> >> The problem here is not politics, it is the fact that no one, even >> quiet >> lurkers like me, is able to figure out what you're talking about. >> If someone >> could, I'd hope they would speak up and translate for the rest of us. >> >> >> > I'm a lurker here myself. My time is very restricted right now, but I > like to see what people are doing and what problems they're running > into > AND what the solutions others have come up with, ;-) > > You've made some very good points here. But I think you may have > missed > the primary consideration Thunk has that keeps him from communication > what his real problem is ... so, with out a well defined problem, no > one > can see a solution for him. So not responses that he "can use", only > requests for clarification, which he "can't" give. The point you've > missed: >> Meanwhile I will continue to build that public wiki at: >> >> http://wiki.github.com/gkoller/Ruids/ >> >> at my own pace consistent with a "proprietary" release in 3 months or >> so. >> ... >> Thunk >> > The key phrase is "proprietary". He's afraid of loosing MONEY if he > actually tells what he wants, so he "hints" and "Hints" but does not > tell anything that can be of use. > > I've seen this many times before, Thunk wants a solution HE CAN SELL > as > HIS WORK, not OPEN SOURCE, or even the "Ruby way", he wants ALL the > credit, but little of the work. He wants a solution that is a "plug > and > play" solution. But, again, he's afraid to let anyone know what he > really is after ... they might beat him to the market and get all the > money first! Or at least that's the impression I'm getting from his > writings so far. It's difficult for him, he doesn't trust anyone one > the > list. He has no one he can turn to for help at the same time. If he's > good he'll figure it out by himself. If he's just average ... well > he'll > probably blame the list "politics". > Bingo. I even gave him a signed NDA so I can see code-- and phone number. He won't do a code drop online. Even I have no idea what he is really after. I thoujght I had some idea, but his lexicon kept changing. Andrew McElroy > -- > LeCouey > Professional Hacker (1967) Rubyist (from > the > time when the ONLY docs were in Japanese, and I DON'T read/write/speak > Japanese! ) > Professional Newbie (1950) There is always > more to learn about Every Subject! AND There is always a better way, > that requires less effort, of doing it. > Professional Generalist (1979) If I can't > program > it, IT can not be done! By Anyone! (with maybe a few exceptions B- > \ ;-) > > > -- > ____________________________________________________ > Security is mostly a superstition, it does not exist in nature, nor do > the children of men as a whole experience it. 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